New iPhone 4 prototype spotted in Vietnam - Page 4

Apple doen't handle international cases like in the US. Don't be surprised if he "commits suicide" though.

Very good thinking. The seams could be a manufacturing necessity but that's a great observation. Another button, or two.

This design is so great - I will definitely be upgrading 4 lines on my account from the 3GS to this.

Can anyone break down exactly what changed in between the Gizmodo version and this one?

ON THE ANDROID FLASH DEMO AT FLASHCAMP*SEATTLE

http://jeffcroft.com/blog/2010/may/0...hcamp-seattle/

At FlashCamp it crashed twice running Eco Zoo and when someone mentioned to play Hulu they ended the demonstration.

Found footage: Android tablet prototype running (and crashing) Flash
http://i.tuaw.com/2010/05/05/found-f...nd-crashing-f/

The only other demo I've seen had Flash was on Vimeo and 25% of the battery was gone in 10 minutes. There were no crashes though.

No doubt! But the original poster seemed to be implying a switch to A4 by itself would grant iPad like battery life. It may--I hope it does!--but I don't think it is a slam dunk...

Perhaps they also study flamenco guitar?

It sure looks amazing, but I'm disappointed that they apparently put the A4 in there. It's based on the Cortex A8-design, which is last year's technology. Get with the times, Apple, and put multi-core A9s in there.

The only "California police" I know of is the California Highway Patrol.

Last time I checked, they did not get much involved in breaking down doors to recover good stolen from a bar. Unless, of course, the bar was sitting in the middle of a highway.

Probably because it is not real ..just a fake phone IMHO

I am sorry the lines in this are just to lame. The fit and finish is not anything like a MBP or the current iPhone. Look at the terrible seem. I count 3 of these. This is at best a concept. The final product better look better.

Again I think this is just working concept. EVERY APPLE product looks sharp with clean lines. The lines here suck. Give SJ a call and ask him what he thinks.

Does this mean the specs will include a 1Ghz processor?

How does that compare to the 3G and S?

Why ... is it pink? Or, do you mean flamenco?

Ok wait, go back and look at your first link. The video at the bottom is the one I saw, and the update says it's based on a newer version of Flash mobile than what you saw crash.

so in other words, it's coming along.

Look, I guess we can only wait and see how this thing turns out. If 2.2 comes out and swarms of users are reporting crashes, then we can judge it to be garbage.

Basically, judging software in beta phases is like judging a sculpture in the middle of the artist's progress. It's not done! lol

Edit:

THE TABLET DIDN'T CRASH!!!

Look what the reviewer had to say:
*Update: Just wanted to clarify, flash didn’t crash here, I just accidentally hit the “home” button while I was really trying to hit the “back” button. Android users know that you get an error message if an app crashes, I know because I have a Nexus One. There’s hidden home,back, and power buttons (on the side of the prototype) u do not see in the videos/photos, sorry if that confused any readers.


So isn't THAT funny? Nobody is listening here, I know, but it just confirms the mentality of your average apple fan. The youtube video is FILLED with comments about how flash is fail and so is android and blah blah blah. Facepalm indeed

HILARIOUS.

This would be a non-issue if Apple had intelligent screen resizing. They are just doing straight pixel doubling right now. That is fine for games, but text-heavy applications look terrible. A perfect example is Flixster. You could conceivably just alter the XML properties of the app to support iPad and it would show full screen with the correct text formatting. Apple chose the easy way out.

On the topic of thievery in Gizmodo case:

The real issue is going to be harm. Not only is Apple losing 3GS sales because people are now waiting for this new phone (as many of you state), their competitors now also have an advantage to catch up and deliver an equivalent or better phone. Honestly I woudn't be surprised if this ended up being a multi-million dollar civil case. Gizmodo may consider themselves to be journalists, but they purchased stolen property and revealed damaging trade secrets. I wouldn't be surprised if they get sued into oblivion.

And yea, it sounds like moving the phone out of the country may be a way out (or just intercepting it from where it is being manufactured). I'm not sure if Interpol or any other organization has enough jurisdiction, or if any international law will take precedent here.

Apparently the crashes were because it's in beta.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/19612...r_android.html

They have gotten Flash and up running on Android:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/11/a...exus-one-vide/

If I remember correctly, someone asked about audio battery life on the iPad and Jobs said something like it could go for days with the screen off as the A4 chip hardly uses any power at all. The battery on the new iPhone will also have a higher capacity than the current 3GS if the Gizmodo teardown is any indication.

I agree 100%. I'd hope that if AI got ahold of a prototype iPhone (or iPad or iAnything), that they'd publish it outright without asking Apple if it was OK first. But after using the words Gizmodo was "exploiting" the prototype bit, I just don't know. Definitely effected my opinion of the site's point of view, and the stock price in the upper right corner I now see in another context.

That said, AI does great in-depth Apple stories that are beyond what anyone else does (or possibly can do), so AI definitely holds some value to me.

On the A4 chip:

I wouldn't be surprised if it was under-clocked for the iPhone 4G. Still super fast, but the phone literally has half the batteries, so I doubt you could run that thing at full power and expect the results you'd get on the iPad. Plus there's the further argument that the iPad is just a big iPod Touch, which this would validate. I still want both, but will probably wait until the iPad second gen, hoping for an iChat camera.

I saw someone post something in Italian, and I decided to respond to them in Italian. I figured their comment would probably not get any other responses (other than maybe the odd angry response in English), and so out of courtesy, I responded to them in the language they used because I can.

Our exchange ended, it wasn't very deep. They said that they didn't like the design and they hoped that these leaked photos didn't represent the final design for the next iPhone, and I responded saying that these almost certainly represent the final design, considering images of both prototypes have been released so close to the date of the WWDC.

Just my opinion, but I think English speakers who don't post on Non-English sites are probably not posting because they don't understand what they're reading (and probably don't visit non-English sites to begin with). Also, again just my opinion, but the fact that I responded to them in their language of choice and that I just took the time to translate our exchange, was kind, not rude.

Sorry for continuing this non-sequitur, I hope it's done now. I'm really looking forward to the new iPhone (or as we call it in Québec "le nouveau téléphone cellulaire de la compagnie de la pomme"), I haven't owned one yet and this one looks absolutely great, although what I would like most is a price-drop.

Cool- maybe SJ will get with the program and give us more free movies and games now- at least give us a choice to drain our non-removable battery faster if we so desire.

That was an embarrassment to Adobe, I have to admit. However, the presenter (I forget his name) fixed the code and released another video showing Flash 10.1 on a Nexus One running Froyo (Android 2.2):

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIl1k7wX7Fk

As you can see, EcoZoo is one of the first things he runs and it turns out just fine.

Flashmobileblog did two tests for battery time and found that for playing a 17 minute video, the battery only drained 6%. They claim this equals roughly 4 hours of playing straight videos and 5 hours of Flash games.

http://www.flashmobileblog.com/2010/...-on-nexus-one/

Take it for what it's worth at the moment...


People are quick to judge at face value when it's a result that they want to see.

As usual, I think different. I like the smooth curved plastic back of the 3GS, but I agree that the plated chrome bezel is tacky.

I question the flat back of the new iPhone, and IMO, it is not as techno-lustworthy as the current design. It looks VERY thin tho.

You know that how?

Anyone can copy and paste into Google language tools which is what the original poster could have done. I tried it it and it came out acceptable. If you do decide to respond in a foreign language maybe you should provide the translation of the original post and the response as a courtesy to the other English speakers on the forum.

Lost = stolen? Since when?

I hope you don't mean my response, there wasn't meant to be anything angry in it, just a request not to start off into a discussion in italian.


As far as I'm concerned, I didn't consider your response rude, and appreciate that you took the time to translate. (Though I had figured it out by myself, I'm happy to see I was right with the translation )

In general I think that people don't post on sites when they don't understand the language, why would they? But if you understand something, and want to add your opinion, why change the language? Either try to do it in the language used on that site, or find a site in a language you can use, or am I completely of the track?

I have a feeling Apple will offer the new iPhone in 16/32 flavors with a 16GB 3GS as the $99 entry iPhone. The added features of the new iPhone would be enough for Apple to justify the higher price tag without having to double the GB footprint.

So my prediction is:

$99 16GB 3GS
$199 16GB 2010 iPhone
$299 32GB 2010 iPhone

I wonder if Adobe is secretly still working on Flash for jail broken iPhones. That would certainly gauge the public desire for Flash if they had to jail break. Personally as much as I like programming and designing in Flash I can totally live without it on my iPhone. In fact without Flash blockers it would be a nightmare.

When you don't make a reasonable attempt to determine the owner and return it.

I didn't mean to start anything, or in fact be rude myself, but yeah, it's ruder to say (or imply) "this is an English only site" or words to that affect than it is to inadvertently or innocently post something in your own language.

So what if someone says something in Italian or Chinese or Hindi?

I don't see any giant signs saying "English only." If they were carrying on a long conversation or something that would be rude, but a simple post or even a post and reply is no big deal IMO.

This site is based in the USA which is rather infamous lately for language intolerance in some areas and it could easily come across as rude to tell people that "we only speak English here" or words to that effect. I get now that the original poster probably didn't mean anything like that and we are all decent folks etc., but yeah, it seemed like an unnecessary (and therefore rude) comment to me.

My apologies for being rude by saying that something seemed rude? I guess?

Say what? I'm walking down the street and find $100. I have to try to find out who the owner of it was- otherwise I've stolen it? Yeah-right.
What Utopian society do you live in?
The idiot who lost it should never have lost it in the first place- and yes he should have been fired.

Funny.

But you are twisting what I said of course. Also, consider that predicting something that's true or obvious or even a logical suggested possibility (that last thing is what I actually said), is a rather easy thing to do.

For instance I predict the sun will rise tomorrow.

he is right. The lost property statutes state that if you find some thing, then if you choose to take possession of it you take on the responsibility to return it to the owner. If you do not, then it is considered theft. Taking it does not immediately amount to theft. What you do or do not do with it afterwards determines that. There are allowances that, if you follow the requirements, which include turning it into the police if/when you are unable to determine the owner or return it, then after a period of time, ownership will become yours legally. I think it is 90 days after the police post a public notice in California. Responsibilities and timeframes might be different elsewhere.

Found money might be a different matter. It could be considered unreasonable that you would be able to identify the rightful owner.

Yes, but you are just being an optimist.

Thanks for the pics. Better quality and show the iPhone to be slimmer....My 3Gs all of a sudden looks 'round and pudgy!'

I want one!

Like when I lost my money clip with a few hundred dollars in a bar. I came back the next day to inquire about it. They returned the money clip but not surprisingly minus the cash.

Funny how there are still a few people that think these are fakes, rather than prototypes or such. Can you imagine what it would take to fake this? If they are fakes, then Apple needs to get on a plane and hire these people immediately.

I hope this boxy thing is a new trend for Apple's mobile devices. A big problem with the iPad IMO is the curvy back. Makes it impossible to put on the table and type. But they've got to get some rubber pads on the bottom.

anyone else notice they were playing the beegees: 'How deep is your love' in the background? Maybe that'll turn into how deep are your pockets?

As to your very first paragraph, I don't have to prove anything. Everyone already knows that as good as Flash is with animations, it's also good at crashing the browser.

BTW he didn't hit the home button. Watch carefully again. His thumbs are not even touching the device. Also you don't say 'Whoops" just for kicks when hitting the home button.



It did run pretty well this time but again we really have no idea how this will perform. What you are citing is coming from Adobe. From controlled tests they it seems to run fine but every time they're is a live event, where there is no control, it crashes.


I'm not going to believe whatever the Flash Mobile Blog says about battery life. It would be like basing my purchase of a Mac based off of solely reading reviews from Mac websites. The main video I saw off Vimeo had the battery life dwindling as 10 minutes went buy. This isn't a unique experience since I had the same experience on my MBP. Also, from a 2009 MBP of Anandtech (amended):

Eight, freakin, hours. I couldn't believe it. In my lightest test, the new 15-inch MacBook Pro lasted eight hours and eight minutes.

I threw together another test just to make sure. The key flaw in my initial wireless web browsing test is that it none of web pages have any Flash on them.

I strung together 8 reviews on AnandTech and put them each on a single page, images and all. I then scoured the web for big, animated Flash ads and added anywhere from 1 - 4 ads per page; all Flash. Each page is designed to forward to the next after 10 seconds and the loop continues indefinitely. On each machine I opened three Safari windows and pointed them at the first page in the sequence. In the background, once more, I had iTunes playing MP3s.

Six and a half hours, out of a 5.5 lbs notebook. For comparison, the older MacBook Pro could only manage 3 hours and 17 minutes in the same test.

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In this review, based on just loading Flash ads, it sucked up 2 hrs. of battery life.

This is the same issue for the Joojoo that Engadget reviewed. It decreased battery life by 40% in Joojoo's estimates just watching video with Flash. Adobe said that they were not working with Joojoo which means you have to be working closely with them just to get Flash working properly.

Here is the problem:

-Flash will only work on smartphones with an 800 MHz or higher which basically means any phone from the Nexus One until today

-Since Flash is just a container for h.264 (at it's most efficient) it will no doubt take up more battery life than just playing the h.264 file

-Flash has now got to support 3 desktop platforms and 5 mobile OSs. There will be a platform that suffers because of preferential treatment. This is what essentially happened to the Mac and Linux against Windows. How successful will they be by adding another 5 OSs?

Maybe Flash may work on Android will work but I haven't seen it happen yet outside of a controlled environment.

I can see and understand your point. It just disturbed me that the person wrote a post in italian as if it was most natural to do so, and that everybody would/could/should understand.

Anyway, I changed the post and hope nobody feels offended anymore.