Originally Posted by chronster
I'm game. I fully accept any new standard that wants to step up to the plate, and that companies are willing to make an effort to make work on mobile. The fact remains, however, the web as it is today makes use of flash a lot, so ultimately a mobile device supporting it seamlessly is ideal for a "full web experience."
Ideals, and hopes for "ultimately" or "eventually" are well and good ... if the reality support them. Or, if the history of the company provides any guidance that it will be so. I doubt that may become the case for Adobe.
One reality. How long had mobile devices been around? How come until now Adobe has not yet created a Flash that by now should have been already optimized for mobile devices?
If I understood the reports correctly, Adobe had been working on a mobile version of Flash that should come out in 2009. If I have to speculate, this move by Adobe was prompted mainly by the decision of Apple/Steve Jobs to exclude Flash completely. Before that obviously, Adobe completely ignored the research and innovations to create Flash that would work with mobile devices. That would mean writing the script for the ARM technologyl something that supposedly has not done more than likely prior to Apple's gambit.
Now, trying furiously to catch up for its neglect, Adobe;s Flash for mobile devices has been delayed again, perhaps later this year, and that may be a big if. They are still in beta version. The long delay in upgrades, if it will do it at all is typical of Adobe. I should know, I am a victim of such neglect by Adobe. Many Mac users have their own stories to shares, albeit anecdotally.
You bet Steve Jobs and Apple have issues with Adobe and its conscious neglect of the needs of Apple productsl; simply because it was not big enough for Adobe which concentrated its effort on Wintel compatibility and upgrades. If it ever created or upgraded any of its Mac-centric products, they were at best suited for second-class citizens.
Steve Jobs is determined not to be at the mercy of Adobe again, especially now that Apple has the upperhand. It is a risky gambit that Apple/Steve Jobs is playing. If it fails, Apple may again suffer the fate it had with the desktop computing.
But, if Steve Jobs had to choose between "Control" and "market share", it will always choose more "Control" to steer the direction Apple had to navigate, from hereon. And so far, even if it is a significant but still a "minority" (as opposed to a monopoly), Apple remains the game changer in every market it has entered so far, since Steve Jobs came back to Apple.
As such, Apple can and will try to define how the direction of mobile computing and consumer products in the near future, at least. So far, the companies and movers in the industries that matter seem to be following or at least conceding to Apple's/Steve Job's view. This time, it is either for Adobe to follow the rules or be left behind. Adobe cannot dictate, as it seems it is trying to do.
And contrary to your assertion that beta version when demonstrated in public by the Adobe evangelist himself crashed the Android Nexus One. He could have chosen a better example, or even better chosen several example; but was not prepared for such a possibility. This may be emblematic of how Adobe, or at least some of its staff, an evangelist at that tackle the challenges they must deal with.
One more thing, Adobe Flash is not universal as being bandied. The mobile phones and other mobile computing devices are a good subset of where it is not at present, not a participant. Even in browser-based internet, many sites do not employ Flash. And, to reiterate, many of the more influential sites are gradually conceding to provide alternatives to Flash -- because Steve Jobs/Apple mobile computing devices (customers) mandated that it be so.
Is it fair? Steve Jobs and many Mac users believe so.
And for many companies, including the porn industry, and developers, the main question they had to ask was: Is it profitable?
Many acted accordingly.
Obviously, companies that would wish to derail Apple are trying their best to come up with a counter strategy. If Adobe will serve their goal to derail Apple, they will grasp this option to do so.
However, let us not delude ourselves into thinking that companies like Google, plan to provide Flash for reason of fairness, openness or some other more altruistic reasons. Very convincing argument: Google and many tech companies did not even blink to trample on the rights of many Chinese and citizens of other countries -- to be abke to do business in these countries. If Google changed its mind recently and shut down its internet offices in China, it is most likely not because of seeing the light. for one thing, it still maintains its offices in Hongkong, which is still China, not just mainland China,