Originally Posted by cvaldes1831
Nah, they would get nowhere with Steve.
Steve would respond, "Drop Flash. Not a big deal.")
Too wordy. At a minimum, it would be reduced to 'Drop Flash. No big deal".
Or maybe just 'No way in he**".
Originally Posted by Groovetube
How exactly, is adobe "denying choice"? You don't -have- to run flash. You could install click4Flash or simply uninstall the plugin. Is there an adobe "shill" sitting next to you preventing you from, excersizing choice?.
Let's see if you can follow along, OK?
1. Adobe says that Flash is needed to experience the full internet. WIth me so far?
2. There is no version of Flash for mobile devices - and even if Adobe releases 10.1, only a tiny percentage will run Flash in the future.
3. Flash is proprietary and no one but Adobe has the ability to fix Flash's problems or release a version with lower CPU requirements.
So, if you're using a mobile device and not able to access Flash sites ("the full internet" in Adobe terms), who is to blame but Adobe?
Originally Posted by chronster
I'm game. I fully accept any new standard that wants to step up to the plate, and that companies are willing to make an effort to make work on mobile. The fact remains, however, the web as it is today makes use of flash a lot, so ultimately a mobile device supporting it seamlessly is ideal for a "full web experience."
So by your definition, mobile users do not have the Full Internet - and it's Adobe's fault for not releasing a version that works on mobile devices.
Thanks for clarifying that.
Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum
"Take, out the papers and the Flash
, er.. Trash
--- Or you don't get no spending' cash!
If you don't scrub that kitchen floor,
--- You ain't gonna rock and roll no more!
Yakitty, Yak... Don't talk back!
"Don't LOOK back" would be more appropriate.
Originally Posted by John.B
This is patently untrue, and AppleInsider should be ashamed of "publishing" falsehoods like this. Flash runs on any modern browser on any version of OSX, including Safari. Flash also runs on Safari for Windows.
Demonstrably false. iPhone OS is a version of OS X and Adobe has never released a version for OS X, so your statement is false
Originally Posted by libran_ca
I find this letter as a very emotional response. However it does not address the issues as mentioned by Jobs in his letter.
Standard practice. If you can't refute an opponent with facts, throw muc.
Originally Posted by Stevie
The 10.1 Beta is out, or will be very soon. They are working.
So you're still confused about the difference between a beta and a product?
Not to mention that no one has explained to you that the iPhone came out in 2007 and Adobe was promising a version of Flash back then - yet STILL hasn't provided it? Plus the fact that 10.1 will only run on a few of the newest and fastest phones - if it works at all?
Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum
I agree, except for your last sentence.Actually, hasn't Adobe been the one to shut out Flash from mobile devices by not providing any means to play Flash content on them?
Why would you not agree with that? Flash is proprietary and no one else can write a new version of Flash. It is a demonstrated fact that mobile devices don't run a full version of Flash today. So who else is responsible if not Adobe?
Originally Posted by Macadamias
HMM... Seems like it would only get Flash when the devices are powerful enough to not affect the experience. Since Flash 10.1 will only work on iPhone 3GS and Nexus One level devices as a minimum, Adobe has had no real argument for Apple not including Flash yet.
Not correct. Adobe says 10.1 requires an 800 MHz A8 - so the iPhone 3GS won't run it - EVEN IF it works as well as Adobe claims (which is very much in question).