Originally Posted by GQB
Android 2.2 has most definitely NOT been shown to run Flash 'just fine'. A couple of tightly controlled clips show it not crashing (after others that show it exploding like the 4th of July.) Hardly a consumer ready product. Pre beta at best.
And those clips do NOT show that it remains anything other than a battery suck.
Frankly, Adobe is the last entity I want representing my needs, being the #1 pusher on the internet of ads and porn.
First of all, here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y7XJI4NN7k
Secondly, I asked someone to show me video it it crashing and they showed me a video of a reviewer who later posted they had hit the home button and that flash didn't crash. When the argument arose that he could be lying, the fact remained that in Android, you get a message when an app crashes, and there was no such message.
As to your assertion that Adobe is pushing porn and ads, you had to have known how stupid this sounded when you posted it. OBVIOUSLY html5 can handle video and ads, so if Apple is pushing HTML5, by your logic, they also are pushing ads and porn. Ugh, why did I even respond to that sentence?
Originally Posted by stevetim
Actually we need something similar to flash that is open and works with mobile devices. Since adobe was only counting the money instead of getting ready for the mobile future, then let some other technologies take it over. If Adobe can get something out this year that is not a piece of junk on mobile devices, then fine. Apple will probably allow it.
I'm game. I fully accept any new standard that wants to step up to the plate, and that companies are willing to make an effort to make work on mobile. The fact remains, however, the web as it is today makes use of flash a lot, so ultimately a mobile device supporting it seamlessly is ideal for a "full web experience."
Originally Posted by GQB
Um yeah, that's pretty much exactly what's happening.
And Flash is not 'the full internet'... its a proprietary cul de sac. The hubris of Adobe to claim that THEY define what the internet is.
No, it isn't, and to say so means you have absolutely no grasp on how big the internet really is. A few major sites convert to html5 for the much hyped ipad launch and now the whole web is converting? Nope.
As far as Adobe's flash being proprietary, fine, I personally don't care. If something free comes out that can replace it, that's great, so long as it actually does. My take on the whole thing is simple: If html5 was as popular as flash, I'd be the guy screaming for html5 to work on mobile devices. The fact is though, Flash is still dominant, and it will be that way for a while, especially if Adobe gets it working on Android and shows people they won't need to rebuild their websites to accommodate mobile devices.
Originally Posted by anonymouse
Yeah, it'll definitely get flash, an LED flash.
Originally Posted by kerryb
From what I read about the flash demo on an Android phone could not be defined as "just fine" The phone was kept plugged into a power supply for the whole demo most likely to disguise Flash power drain, and there were crashes. All of this on a high end high powered device that very few phones could match in hardware specs.
Show me where you see it plugged in. Now I'm not saying it ISN'T plugged in, just that it's not a valid argument since it can neither be confirmed or denied.
What I DO know, however, is what a few people with droid incredibles have said, and that is the radio that drains the device. True of any smart phone. In other words, streaming music to your phone will drain the battery as much as streaming flash video. We just have to wait to confirm this, but I'm willing to accept its an Android fan making stuff up to keep up the hype.
Originally Posted by macdawg75
Right, which is why it crashes on Android 2.2...not just fine. Also, if you noticed the demo...the phone was plugged in. Personally, I like the idea that the iPhone is mobile which means I can be out and about for extended times. Suspect that Android was plugged in so the demo didn't show the battery drain. If they didn't have anything to hide, they would have shown it mobile like a phone should be.
Perhaps that's what Adobe is considering getting into...the huge battery pak business. By a huge battery pak to keep Flash operating while you take your cell phone mobile. Would love to see that media campaign.
It didn't crash, and like I said before to the other guy, the only video I've shown of it crashing turned out NOT to be crashing. The guy hit the home or back button or something on the tablet, and furthermore, there was no confirmation message that the app had crashed.
CPU doesn't drain the battery like the radio does. If you're out and about with your iphone streaming internet music all day, you'll probably use the same amount of battery as streaming flash video. Probably less since you can turn the screen off, but you get my point.