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post #41 of 129
Booo, Hulu!
post #42 of 129
Hulu as well as anyone else will move to where the money flows, whether it is Flash, HTML5 or anything else that ensures a significant user base. Stating that only Flash can achieve their needs is hardly true. All they have to do is adjust their model to the iPad and the advertising money is flowing from there, too. Millions of iPad users will be hard for Hulu to ignore...
post #43 of 129
hulu's nice, but they really should invest some money in html5. Nobody is asking them to abandon flash, but if they could have a stripped down version of the site only accessible by ipad, I doubt the content will be easily stolen. I mean really, right now, the content can be stolen with screen recorders and an OK sound card. It's not worth the trouble though if the content is available to everyone for free.

I don't understand the people at hulu, I really don't. It used to work great in skyfire on my windows mobile phone, then for no reason they blocked the skyfire browser. I'm still seeing the same ads, so what gives?

Hulu's business model can work, they just need the content (which will draw in viewers of ads.)
post #44 of 129
When Steve Jobs says "Jump!", only chumps ask "How high?"

Smart people ask "Why?"

And the answer is, according to Apple, to get some 16% of the mobile market.

For that the NYT spent how much remaking their site?

Hulu's pretty smart on this. After all, why spend all that money just to replace one proprietary video format for another?
post #45 of 129
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Originally Posted by Jerseymac View Post

Get a Macbook pro. Life without walls.

You are one bitter hater. Hulu cannot NOT support the iPhone and the iPad. Apple knows it and so does Hulu. There are too many of the device out there already. Money talks and bullshit walks, just like Adobe's little "We -heart- Apple" ad campaign that debuted today.
post #46 of 129
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Are you upset at Apple too because the movies in their itunes store also have DRM?

At least iTunes is it's own app, and you can choose to use it or not. Adobe, expects everyone to carry Flash weither they like it or not.

iTunes doesn't crash every 10 minutes either.
post #47 of 129
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This forum is going down a typical path. If Apple doesn't allow you to have something, then you didn't want it anyway.

So you are okay with Adobe claiming "We are the Web" and basically saying you MUST use Flash if you want to view any video on the internet? And you hate Apple for saying no to that proposition?
post #48 of 129
Well, that's it... no point in buying an iPad now... no Hulu? Why would anyone want this now... this thing is a guaranteed bust!!!!! (s/c)
post #49 of 129
You might want to update your story. Looks like Hulu didn't retract the story, they just retitled it from "Pardon the Dust" to "Pardon our Dust" which changed the URL. The story can be found on the Hulu blog right now at the following URL:

http://blog.hulu.com/2010/05/13/pardon-our-dust/
post #50 of 129
They don't have to use HTML5 video to stream to the iPhone or iPad. They only need to stream raw H.264 with no wrapper and QuickTime will play it with no problem.

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Originally Posted by chronster View Post

hulu's nice, but they really should invest some money in html5. Nobody is asking them to abandon flash, but if they could have a stripped down version of the site only accessible by ipad, I doubt the content will be easily stolen. I mean really, right now, the content can be stolen with screen recorders and an OK sound card. It's not worth the trouble though if the content is available to everyone for free.
post #51 of 129
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At least iTunes is it's own app, and you can choose to use it or not. Adobe, expects everyone to carry Flash weither they like it or not.

iTunes doesn't crash every 10 minutes either.

Oh come on, Macs do not crash. And yes, you can also choose not to use Flash.
post #52 of 129
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Originally Posted by RationalTroll View Post

And the answer is, according to Apple, to get some 16% of the mobile market.

Apple has 60% of the mobile web.

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For that the NYT spent how much remaking their site?

Streaming H.264 without Flash isn't exclusively for the iPhone, it's for all mobile devices.

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Hulu's pretty smart on this. After all, why spend all that money just to replace one proprietary video format for another?

What proprietary video format are you talking about? There is nothing proprietary about HTML5. Hulu already uses H.264. The only difference is they would stream it without a Flash wrapper which locks the video in DRM and forces you to watch commercials.
post #53 of 129
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Originally Posted by pt123 View Post

Are you upset at Apple too because the movies in their itunes store also have DRM?

Actually, I'm upset at Apple for DRM, but not at Hulu. When I buy a show on iTunes, I am buying the show. When I watch something on Hulu, it is a streaming video. On Hulu, you can understand why they would need DRM.
post #54 of 129
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

They don't have to use HTML5 video to stream to the iPhone or iPad. They only need to stream raw H.264 with no wrapper and QuickTime will play it with no problem.

cool beans, but the commercial breaks would need to be part of the content at that point. Right now their system pauses the video, presents the commercial, and continues on. What you speak of is basically streaming the video file.
post #55 of 129
Of course it would be nice if they offered an iPhone/iPad app, but there's always Netflix.

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post #56 of 129
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Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post

Of course it would be nice if they offered an iPhone/iPad app, but there's always Netflix.

Still waiting for the not quite promised iPhone app (they hinted, but haven't really announced anything yet).
post #57 of 129
What a coincidence! I have no plans to pay Hulu for a subscription.

What're the odds?

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post #58 of 129
"Hulu has no plans to support iPad browser with HTML5"

Huh? No body is expecting Hulu to "support the iPad browser with HTML5", what are you talking about?

What people were expecting was for Hulu to make a Hulu app for the iPad, with H.264 encoded video. And please don't tell us that you can't DRM H.264 video, Hulu, because we already know that's a lie. It's what Apple is already doing with their TV shows in iTunes, for Gods sake!
post #59 of 129
The app itself could pause the show and force you to watch the commercial, the same way Flash does.

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Originally Posted by chronster View Post

cool beans, but the commercial breaks would need to be part of the content at that point. Right now their system pauses the video, presents the commercial, and continues on. What you speak of is basically streaming the video file.
post #60 of 129
People really need to read the iTunes terms and conditions. Not just press agree to get past it. You don't own the show. You have only purchased a limited license to watch it.

Apple has no choice in using DRM. They don't own the show either and would not be permitted to sell them without DRM.


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Originally Posted by moo083 View Post

Actually, I'm upset at Apple for DRM, but not at Hulu. When I buy a show on iTunes, I am buying the show. When I watch something on Hulu, it is a streaming video. On Hulu, you can understand why they would need DRM.
post #61 of 129
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

The app itself could pause the show and force you to watch the commercial, the same way Flash does.

I have an idea for a *new* video distribution company. It would allow you to download, not stream, the content using a proprietary DRM and player. The downside is that you need a new player, the upside is that free content could be taken with you anywhere and viewed offline. What I have in mind is the video being broken down into sections and tailored commercials put in to fit the content and viewer's demographic data. It would be exploding, like iTunes movie rentals so you have x-many days to watch it and x-many hours to complete it, and you couldn't FF through ads.
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post #62 of 129
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Originally Posted by infinitespecter View Post

You don't seem to understand exactly how specific the information that they can gather from a flash based player is. It isn't simply that you watched the video and clicked on an ad; it's how long you watched, where you skipped around to, where you started, where you ended, what resolution you watched it at, what volume you used, whether or not you used closed captioning, and most importantly, whether or not you clicked on the embedded ad link (and at what point).

When I was at Macworld back when flash video was first taking off, I saw a demo of all the information that can be gathered from it and what a boon it would be for advertisers. That all has to be done within the player, and HTML5 simply doesn't have that functionality. Or, you know, a definitive codec.

I definitely don't understand all that...don't care really I understand the need to insert commercials, etc, but all that other stuff you mentioned just sounds evil.
post #63 of 129
Not gonna pay. Already pay cable and can convert it to mobile viewing means with mac mini and eyeTV.
If I'm going to pay anything more, I will pay iTunes for missing episodes. Hulu can go @#$! itself.
Hulu has no more purpose for me if they want to become a utility.
post #64 of 129
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

I have an idea for a *new* video distribution company. It would allow you to download, not stream, the content using a proprietary DRM and player. The downside is that you need a new player, the upside is that free content could be taken with you anywhere and viewed offline. What I have in mind is the video being broken down into sections and tailored commercials put in to fit the content and viewer's demographic data. It would be exploding, like iTunes movie rentals so you have x-many days to watch it and x-many hours to complete it, and you couldn't FF through ads.

It will be in itunes soon enough.
post #65 of 129
That makes sense. Hulu will eventually move to HTML5 some over the next few years as the implementation becomes more mature in browsers. I expect most sites will.

Adobe really need to enable the export of HTML5 from the Flash IDE. If they don't come up with a solid product some time in the next year or two someone else will.
post #66 of 129
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Originally Posted by Firefly7475 View Post

That makes sense. Hulu will eventually move to HTML5 some over the next few years as the implementation becomes more mature in browsers. I expect most sites will.

Adobe really need to enable the export of HTML5 from the Flash IDE. If they don't come up with a solid product some time in the next year or two someone else will.

CS5 does this already?
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post #67 of 129
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Originally Posted by Groovetube View Post

CS5 does this already?

No. But HTML5 doesn't really address the need that Flash addresses. HTML5 takes brilliant care of things like video presentation, and even a wide range of interactive content, but some of the more advanced things people do with Flash would require a much greater degree of expertise in HTML5. It would be awesome to have a development environment for this sort of content in HTML5 but it doesn't exist yet, and Adobe, the company that would normally pioneer this sort of thing, probably won't touch it on this scale until they taste more of Flash's blood.
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post #68 of 129
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No. But HTML5 doesn't really address the need that Flash addresses. HTML5 takes brilliant care of things like video presentation, and even a wide range of interactive content, but some of the more advanced things people do with Flash would require a much greater degree of expertise in HTML5. It would be awesome to have a development environment for this sort of content in HTML5 but it doesn't exist yet, and Adobe, the company that would normally pioneer this sort of thing, probably won't touch it on this scale until they taste more of Flash's blood.

I haven't scoped it, or tested how well it works, but CS5 does apparently export to html5 http://www.9to5mac.com/Flash-html5-canvas-35409730

I'll check it out when I have time.

But adobe would be stupid not to build a serious development platform for html5. If they don't, someone else will. Perhaps we'll see it as an awesome plugin for eclipse.
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post #69 of 129
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...Adobe, the company that would normally pioneer this sort of thing, probably won't touch it on this scale until they taste more of Flash's blood.

That made me think of the Black Knight.

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post #70 of 129
I'm sure HULU can easily be pursuaded to adopt HTML5 with a little cash infussion from APPLE. And if Apple wants HULU video bad enough............
post #71 of 129
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Originally Posted by grking View Post

Hulu is supposed to give the content away for free?

Of course they are. That's why there's advertising.
post #72 of 129
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Originally Posted by awmawm View Post

Hulu as well as anyone else will move to where the money flows, whether it is Flash, HTML5 or anything else that ensures a significant user base. Stating that only Flash can achieve their needs is hardly true. All they have to do is adjust their model to the iPad and the advertising money is flowing from there, too. Millions of iPad users will be hard for Hulu to ignore...

True, but they can ignore it for now. Maybe when there's more like 50 million, then they can't ignore it.
post #73 of 129
Where are the Flash-lovers? Aren't they also the people who have nothing good to say about DRM? But Flash can be protected -- barely -- and HTML5?

Javascript can surely be used to do the counting for plays and views and the like. So the only real objection here is DRM.

I did do a test of an HTML5 video, and discovered that it can be copied. The Quicktime X player that comes up in the browser doesn't allow copying, but find the right url, paste it in the desktop player, and there's your copy.

After all that tumult over mp3s, does the MPAA and the studios want all this over again? Apparently so.
post #74 of 129
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

Apple has 60% of the mobile web.

You missed a word out, I think that should read...

Apple has 60% of the mobile web advertising
post #75 of 129
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I'm sure HULU can easily be pursuaded to adopt HTML5 with a little cash infussion from APPLE. And if Apple wants HULU video bad enough............

It's not cash. It's Fox and NBC and whatever other studios participate in Hulu. The same thing happened with Boxee. Hulu wanted to be on it, but since Boxee uses your HD set to show the movies, the studios got antsy. They don't want to encroach on their very rich ad inserts on TV with the cheapo ads on the Web.
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That made me think of the Black Knight.

Shouldn't that have read a 'Flash' wound?
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post #77 of 129
Whatever. Hulu has no future.
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post #78 of 129
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Shouldn't that have read a 'Flash' wound?

Updated per your advice.
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post #79 of 129
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Whatever. Hulu has no future.

I hope that's not true. If you like to watch old tv shows, Hulu is a lot cheaper than buying tv on DVD.
post #80 of 129
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Originally Posted by chronster View Post

hulu's nice, but they really should invest some money in html5. Nobody is asking them to abandon flash, but if they could have a stripped down version of the site only accessible by ipad, I doubt the content will be easily stolen. I mean really, right now, the content can be stolen with screen recorders and an OK sound card. It's not worth the trouble though if the content is available to everyone for free.

I don't understand the people at hulu, I really don't. It used to work great in skyfire on my windows mobile phone, then for no reason they blocked the skyfire browser. I'm still seeing the same ads, so what gives?

Hulu's business model can work, they just need the content (which will draw in viewers of ads.)

You really don't get it to do you? It isn't Hulu. It's the content providers and advertisers. They don't want you to watch Hulu anywhere but on a computer. Period. It's that simple. They've said it over and over. Anything else and they feel it could compromise their other revenue streams.
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Stating that only Flash can achieve their needs is hardly true.

At this point HTML5 is not capable of delivering the level of detail that they want about users for advertising purposes. Flash can do it, HTML5 cannot. This isn't about just displaying video.

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You are one bitter hater. Hulu cannot NOT support the iPhone and the iPad..

Yes, they can. The same way they don't support ANYTHING beyond personal computers.

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Originally Posted by the cool gut View Post

iTunes doesn't crash every 10 minutes either.

Try using it (or any Apple software) on Windows. Talk about half assed coding...

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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

They don't have to use HTML5 video to stream to the iPhone or iPad. They only need to stream raw H.264 with no wrapper and QuickTime will play it with no problem.

And they would get all the information that they are contractually bound to deliver to content providers for advertising purposes... where?


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Originally Posted by fishstick_kitty View Post

I definitely don't understand all that...don't care really I understand the need to insert commercials, etc, but all that other stuff you mentioned just sounds evil.

All that other stuff makes the advertising that much more valuable because it can be more accurately targeted. More value = more $$$ which makes sites like Hulu possible.

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Originally Posted by Firefly7475 View Post

That makes sense. Hulu will eventually move to HTML5 some over the next few years as the implementation becomes more mature in browsers. I expect most sites will.

Unless something changes, HTML5 does not allow for code to run in browsers, which is what is needed to gather the level of information that Flash can for advertisers. As a result, it can't deliver what Hulu needs.

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Originally Posted by BUSHMAN4 View Post

I'm sure HULU can easily be pursuaded to adopt HTML5 with a little cash infussion from APPLE. And if Apple wants HULU video bad enough............

You do realize that Apple sees Hulu as a competitor to iTunes, right?
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