Originally Posted by rbonner
OMG, they are whining a bit much. Adobe put out a product that Apple ended up not liking. How about focusing on making it way better than HTML5 so the market will beg to use it, or focus on your products that work well.
How about this:
Adobe: We admit that in the past we might have been lax in creating Mac OS versions of our applications that were optimized for said systems. This is unfair to the users that make up half of our customers. We have pledged to line one rewrite all of our software starting with the 3 most popular -- Photoshop, Illustrator and Flash and continuing through our entire line up. And we pledge that these new versions will be out by the end of 2010.
Originally Posted by jragosta
Face it - Adobe has never released a full version of Flash that will run on the iPhone. That's an unquestioned fact.
it's not that might not have wanted to. there was no point. Apple doesn't support Flash in the iphone OS.
however if you say "mobile devices" instead of the iphone, you are correct. to date we have not seen a full version of Flash running on any mobile OS. demos and betas (of questionable quality) but not a final version,
Adobe has been promising a version of Flash for the iPhone for 3 years and not delivered. Apple got tired of waiting.
no they didn't. they aren't waiting for Flash for the iphone. they are waiting for anything from Adobe that shows that they will do the work required. until they give that sign, Apple isn't going to put the needed support into the OS. An optimized version of Flash for MacOS that isn't just a slapped up port of the windows version and a promise to recode all other apps (with a firm deadline and not just 'in the future') would be huge steps that way.
Show us Flash working on an iPhone. Surely Adobe knows that they can jailbreak a phone in order to show that it works.
this isn't like that wifi syncing app. the language to make Flash run isn't there. it's like trying to run a Windows program in Mac OS (not a VM like parallels but just click it and it runs)
Oh, and get off they hypocrisy about openness.
that I will agree with. They are playing the FUD game. Apple is showing folks that there's more potential options than Flash. They are getting behind HTML5 etc to make sure that the options are as equal as possible so folks have a choice and aren't picking one or the other cause nothing else works.
Originally Posted by rjosborn
I don't think that there has ever been a statement that Apple "has banned" Flash anyways.
they have, just not in those words. Apple won't put the needed code into the iphone OS, thus preventing it from
running in said OS. that's in essence banning it.
Originally Posted by CIM
Didnt Adobe pull Premiere from Mac when Apple released Final Cut?
not exactly. Apple wasn't too happy with the performance of Premiere using Carbon and strongly pushed Adobe to redo with Cocoa. Adobe didn't want to and just dropped the software from continued development.
Shortly afterwards Apple bought the company that was making Final Cut, reworked the code etc and the rest is history.
Originally Posted by zindako
What I find odd is, how can you call yourself a software engineer and not know basic C language in any form?
indeed. what I want to do is how hard would it be to take an app written in C and tweak it to run in the other OS's. is it really that difficult. would they be so horrible that they basically wouldn't work. do the other OSs have some kind of requirement that you can't use C and/or must use Flash