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post #121 of 310
5/15/10 at 9:19am
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Originally Posted by Ronbo View Post

Grow up. The room-mate was sitting there watching this guy do something that she knew was a crime, even if he didn't. And he was doing that with her computer. So if she was silent, it would have been her crime too, when they caught up with him. And they WERE going to catch up with him. HE was betraying HER by making her an accomplice. Not that you're rational enough to have noticed.

BTW: it's astounding what you reveal of yourself in your post. You betray appalling ignorance of right and wrong in the first two sentences, and an equally appalling ignorance of everything else in the third. Capital crimes? Because it involved capitalism, I presume? Wow. Just wow.

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Originally Posted by zeromeus View Post

For heaven's sake, the guy used HER computer. I'm SURE they can trace it back to her and she's smart to contact the authority to clear herself from being classified as an accomplish.

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Originally Posted by DESuserIGN View Post

2 questions
1. Are you 13 years old?
2. Do you know what a "capital crime" is?


Sorry for the confusion, where I come from we call these things (literally translated) capital crimes. I guess the proper english word would be a felony that doesn't involve hurting someone else physically (e.g. robbery, tax evasion, theft etc.)
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post #122 of 310
5/15/10 at 9:26am
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Originally Posted by Mac Voyer View Post

Seems that Giz and Engadget have gone completely silent on the subject. I'm guessing there is something about these revelations that are so bad from a legal perspective, the attorneys have stepped in. They are probably at the stage of trying to figure out who is going to take the fall for this.

Lam and Chen's careers in high-tech journalism are finished. Right now, Denton is trying to figure out the cheapest way to extract his company from this brouhaha and then unceremoniously dump his two loyal minions as criminals.

As for Engadget, who knows why they are suddenly silent on the matter, but it's suspicious behavior at best. Perhaps there is something, maybe an e-mail on Lam or Chen's computers that incriminate Engadget staffers as accomplices? Maybe some sort of publishing arrangement where Engadget (probably more readers than Gizmodo) links back to Gizmodo and gets kicked back a portion of the pageview profits?
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post #123 of 310
5/15/10 at 9:27am
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I think everyone rightly critises this comment and view as rubbish. For some reason Dan fears to be betrayed by a friend. It is rightly pointed out that she was betrayed, although I would argue that her roomates did not deliberately betray her, but sloppily put her in a dangerous position. What I think she could (not must, just could!) have done is, to yell at them what kind of idiots they are and that she will call the cops. Then call the cops. In this she would gave her roomates a head start which is all a friend can ask for in this situation, and she is out of trouble. She is not helping them as long as she is not delaying the call, all she does is telling them what she is doing this very moment.


Some of these comments (not yours in particular) really confirm my notion that american people can hardly be called "friends". The only thing they do is stay by your side when the sun is shining. I would *NEVER* call the police deliberatelky when I know that one of my friends (e.g.) robbed a bank. I would do all I could without going to prison to protect them.

I would *NEVER*EVER* make the effort and CALL THE COPS TWICE to make REALLY sure they catch them in all what they are doing. She not just called the police/Apple once, because she feared she would be held liable, she called AGAIN to TELL ON THEM when they were removing evidence. That is in NO WAY her obligation to do. They could never pin it on her after she alarmed the cops in teh first place that she was an accomplice to removing serial numbers and whatever.


You know we call this? Blockleiter or Blockwart, thats what certain people did under the Nazis to tell on Jews hiding somewhere, its the exact same analogy YOU ALL are using "its against the law, of course I have to report it". You people make me sick, you know nothing about the word FRIENDSHIP, you would betray your own mothers and children if it would put you even in very low legal risk.
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post #124 of 310
5/15/10 at 9:28am
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Originally Posted by harleighquinn View Post

You blasted Jason Chen like he was a child rapist up till now. Don't try to change your story now.

While I don't use the childish offensive language that you use ("child rapist, "crap in you grandmothers mouth", etc.), I don't think I see how my position has changed.

I have had emails with Brian Lam a couple of times, and he came across like a complete jerk. I used to read Gizmodo also and most of the guys associated with it and writing the articles seem like complete childish, ignorant, amoral jerks. I've said all that lots of times.

How is me posting a statement to the effect of me finally having "proof" of these beliefs anything different? Only a complete tool would talk to someone in email this way. Hardly a "change in my story" about Brian Lam.
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post #125 of 310
5/15/10 at 9:29am
Today, Blockwart is a colloquial German insult word for a person who feels the motivation to keep people in line, esp. by reporting them to officials or pressing the enforcing of rules (esp. petty rules) upon people.
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post #126 of 310
5/15/10 at 9:40am
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

While I don't use the childish offensive language that you use ("child rapist, "crap in you grandmothers mouth", etc.), I don't think I see how my position has changed.

I have had emails with Brian Lam a couple of times, and he came across like a complete jerk. I used to read Gizmodo also and most of the guys associated with it and writing the articles seem like complete childish, ignorant, amoral jerks. I've said all that lots of times.

How is me posting a statement to the effect of me finally having "proof" of these beliefs anything different? Only a complete tool would talk to someone in email this way. Hardly a "change in my story" about Brian Lam.

That "childishly offensive language", as you choose to describe it is descriptive of the level of malice that has been posted by you and others toward Chen during this whole affair, wherein you placed the entire weight of the fiasco upon his head.

There is a month of posts, a MONTH, where no one even mentions Hogan, whom we all knew existed at that time, but instead stating "Jason Chen is a thief and should burn in hell" (Ad libbing, of course) "Jason Chen is the Anti-Christ", "Jason Chen should go down for this", "Giz, Giz, Giz," as though all of you had some form of pornographic tourettes.

Not once, though I pointed it out repeatedly, did ANYONE admit there were other parties involved. Actually, that's not true. Other parties were mentioned and then passed over in favor of dragging Chen through the street with pitiful analogies. Gawker was even eschewed in favor of demonizing Chen, so yes, I will say your opinion, via your previous post, has changed in line with the new majority.

Nice job trying to recover. You should go into political spin.
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post #127 of 310
5/15/10 at 9:48am
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Originally Posted by Stevie View Post

Prison time is extremely unlikely. Extremely. This is white collar corporate stuff, and petty at that.

I agree that prison time is unlikely. In the USA that is mostly reserved for black folks and pot smokers while corporate criminals generally pay fines only.

The second sentence is completely untrue however. Chen is being charged with three felonies and Hogan with at least two. There is also nothing "petty" about it since the prototype theft is a multi-million dollar affair in terms of loss and damages.

IMO the likely outcome is slap on the wrist for he offenders as they each take their turn passing the blame up the chain towards Gawker Media. Hogan will most likely tell the cops that Chen knew it was an Apple prototype and there is not really a reasonable defence he didn't anyway given his tech knowledge and background. So the principles are almost certainly guilty of the felonies, but it will translate into massive fines that ultimately will have to be paid by Gawker, regardless of whether the blame ultimately reaches head office.

The "payment" for this crime will be financial ruin for Gawker Media and blackballing for Chen, Lam, and any of the other "journalists" associated with it.
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post #128 of 310
5/15/10 at 9:51am
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Originally Posted by harleighquinn View Post

That "childishly offensive language", as you choose to describe it is descriptive of the level of malice that has been posted by you and others toward Chen during this whole affair, wherein you placed the entire weight of the fiasco upon his head.

There is a month of posts, a MONTH, where no one even mentions Hogan, whom we all knew existed at that time, but instead stating "Jason Chen is a thief and should burn in hell" (Ad libbing, of course) "Jason Chen is the Anti-Christ", "Jason Chen should go down for this", "Giz, Giz, Giz," as though all of you had some form of pornographic tourettes.

Not once, though I pointed it out repeatedly, did ANYONE admit there were other parties involved. Actually, that's not true. Other parties were mentioned and then passed over in favor of dragging Chen through the street with pitiful analogies. Gawker was even eschewed in favor of demonizing Chen, so yes, I will say your opinion, via your previous post, has changed in line with the new majority.

Nice job trying to recover. You should go into political spin.

Dude. I can see you're angry but I never posted anything of the sort.

I have said in the past that everyone at Giz concerned with this are a-holes or words to that effect, I have said they were guilty, I have said it was their fault. That's it. the rest is in your head.

I think you are engaging in classic paranoia here. You are confabulating everything everyone has said together in one place, then paraphrasing that, and putting those words (your words essentially) in other peoples mouths.
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post #129 of 310
5/15/10 at 9:56am
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Originally Posted by dan2236 View Post

Some of these comments (not yours in particular) really confirm my notion that american people can hardly be called "friends". The only thing they do is stay by your side when the sun is shining. I would *NEVER* call the police deliberatelky when I know that one of my friends (e.g.) robbed a bank. I would do all I could without going to prison to protect them.

I would *NEVER*EVER* make the effort and CALL THE COPS TWICE to make REALLY sure they catch them in all what they are doing. She not just called the police/Apple once, because she feared she would be held liable, she called AGAIN to TELL ON THEM when they were removing evidence. That is in NO WAY her obligation to do. They could never pin it on her after she alarmed the cops in teh first place that she was an accomplice to removing serial numbers and whatever.


You know we call this? Blockleiter or Blockwart, thats what certain people did under the Nazis to tell on Jews hiding somewhere, its the exact same analogy YOU ALL are using "its against the law, of course I have to report it". You people make me sick, you know nothing about the word FRIENDSHIP, you would betray your own mothers and children if it would put you even in very low legal risk.

You are using a twelve year old's version of "friendship" here. Grow up.

Also, very very very insulting and offensive that you equate calling the cops on an admitted criminal with no regard for his victim, with turning in a Jew hiding from the Nazi's in WWII. WTF??

You don't know what you are talking about. Maybe when you are older you will understand how society and the world works? Perhaps in reality you are not a little kid, but your ideas are totally grade school.
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post #130 of 310
5/15/10 at 9:57am
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

Dude. I can see you're angry but I never posted anything of the sort.

I have said in the past that everyone at Giz concerned with this are a-holes or words to that effect, I have said they were guilty, I have said it was their fault. That's it. the rest is in your head.

I think you are engaging in classic paranoia here. You are confabulating everything everyone has said together in one place, then paraphrasing that, and putting those words (your words essentially) in other peoples mouths.

And I think you are engaged in classic misdirection.

What? Are you gonna pull a Stalin and try to go back and edit all your posts on this subject for the last month?

Whatever. I'm tired of sparring with you. Welcome to the ignore list. Usually I wouldn't do that, but I lose brain cells reading your posts. It's for my own senior health.
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post #131 of 310
5/15/10 at 9:58am
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Originally Posted by dan2236 View Post

Some of these comments (not yours in particular) really confirm my notion that american people can hardly be called "friends". The only thing they do is stay by your side when the sun is shining. I would *NEVER* call the police deliberatelky when I know that one of my friends (e.g.) robbed a bank. I would do all I could without going to prison to protect them.

I would *NEVER*EVER* make the effort and CALL THE COPS TWICE to make REALLY sure they catch them in all what they are doing. She not just called the police/Apple once, because she feared she would be held liable, she called AGAIN to TELL ON THEM when they were removing evidence. That is in NO WAY her obligation to do. They could never pin it on her after she alarmed the cops in teh first place that she was an accomplice to removing serial numbers and whatever.


You know we call this? Blockleiter or Blockwart, thats what certain people did under the Nazis to tell on Jews hiding somewhere, its the exact same analogy YOU ALL are using "its against the law, of course I have to report it". You people make me sick, you know nothing about the word FRIENDSHIP, you would betray your own mothers and children if it would put you even in very low legal risk.

You're quite the moral example to everybody, but some people are simply a more ethical (and some don't want to go to prison for their shady friend's stupid actions). Maybe in your great land, people willingly go to prison for the stupid criminal actions of their friends, but that doesn't make it right. Besides, would a real friend also use their friend's property to break the law? Maybe in your nation, Friendland, but I'd argue that a friend wouldn't get his friends involved in his crime.

I really like the example of the Nazis; it really places this whole ordeal into perspective. After all, trying to pawn a company's precious IP to make lots of money is pretty similar (and just as noble) as protecting Jews from the Nazis.
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post #132 of 310
5/15/10 at 10:01am
A couple of clueless dudes decide to turn a happy accident into a quick few grand. Not realizing that they are a pair of chihuahuas getting into the arena with a pit bull. A little like Mamet's "American Buffalo." What a great subject for a graphic novel is this whole saga. Complications ensue as the game moves higher and higher in the fifth estate v. corporate world. Can't you just see the woodcut-style, low-angle lighting, black and white cell of a furrow browed Steve Jobs talking on the phone ("i" ronically) to Chen. "Just give the package back and no one gets hurt." The giddy, sweating Chen yammering on about "what's in it for me?" A hot room mate. Tech SWAT breaking down doors . . . . We end up in a Law and Order land of attorneys and court rooms. So many layers. So many lawyers. Lots of interesting characters. Silicon Valley Smackdown. Writers out there, take head.
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post #133 of 310
5/15/10 at 10:02am
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Sorry for the confusion, where I come from we call these things (literally translated) capital crimes. I guess the proper english word would be a felony that doesn't involve hurting someone else physically (e.g. robbery, tax evasion, theft etc.)

Remind me not to visit wherever you come from....
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post #134 of 310
5/15/10 at 10:03am
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A couple of clueless dudes decide to turn a happy accident into a quick few grand. Not realizing that they are a pair of chihuahuas getting into the arena with a pit bull. A little like Mamet's "American Buffalo." What a great subject for a graphic novel is this whole saga. Complications ensue as the game moves higher and higher in the fifth estate v. corporate world. Can't you just see the woodcut-style, low-angle lighting, black and white cell of a furrow browed Steve Jobs talking on the phone ("i" ronically) to Chen. "Just give the package back and no one gets hurt." The giddy, sweating Chen yammering on about "what's in it for me?" A hot room mate. Tech SWAT breaking down doors . . . . We end up in a Law and Order land of attorneys and court rooms. So many layers. So many lawyers. Lots of interesting characters. Silicon Valley Smackdown. Writers out there, take head.

The term is "heed" and, again, Chen didn't do the negotiations. Lamb did .
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post #135 of 310
5/15/10 at 10:05am
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Originally Posted by dan2236 View Post

Some of these comments (not yours in particular) really confirm my notion that american people can hardly be called "friends". The only thing they do is stay by your side when the sun is shining. I would *NEVER* call the police deliberatelky when I know that one of my friends (e.g.) robbed a bank. I would do all I could without going to prison to protect them.

I would *NEVER*EVER* make the effort and CALL THE COPS TWICE to make REALLY sure they catch them in all what they are doing. She not just called the police/Apple once, because she feared she would be held liable, she called AGAIN to TELL ON THEM when they were removing evidence. That is in NO WAY her obligation to do. They could never pin it on her after she alarmed the cops in teh first place that she was an accomplice to removing serial numbers and whatever.


You know we call this? Blockleiter or Blockwart, thats what certain people did under the Nazis to tell on Jews hiding somewhere, its the exact same analogy YOU ALL are using "its against the law, of course I have to report it". You people make me sick, you know nothing about the word FRIENDSHIP, you would betray your own mothers and children if it would put you even in very low legal risk.

Wow. That is perhaps the most twisted logic I have ever read.
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post #136 of 310
5/15/10 at 10:09am
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Originally Posted by Robin Huber View Post

A couple of clueless dudes decide to turn a happy accident into a quick few grand. Not realizing that they are a pair of chihuahuas getting into the arena with a pit bull. A little like Mamet's "American Buffalo." What a great subject for a graphic novel is this whole saga. Complications ensue as the game moves higher and higher in the fifth estate v. corporate world. Can't you just see the woodcut-style, low-angle lighting, black and white cell of a furrow browed Steve Jobs talking on the phone ("i" ronically) to Chen. "Just give the package back and no one gets hurt." The giddy, sweating Chen yammering on about "what's in it for me?" A hot room mate. Tech SWAT breaking down doors . . . . We end up in a Law and Order land of attorneys and court rooms. So many layers. So many lawyers. Lots of interesting characters. Silicon Valley Smackdown. Writers out there, take head.

I have no doubt that we will see a Hollywood version of this fiasco, in one form or another.
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post #137 of 310
5/15/10 at 10:16am
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where I come from we call these things (literally translated) capital crimes.

Just where DO you come from? A world where capital crimes are crimes committed in the capitol? Or crimes against capitalists? WTF?

Based on your treatise about friendship and crime, you may be from the morally inverted world of Thugland, where people who try to do the right thing are labeled as snitches and rats. Those who live as parasites on society are heroes. Glad I don't live where you do.
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post #138 of 310
5/15/10 at 10:24am
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Originally Posted by Robin Huber View Post

Just where DO you come from? A world where capital crimes are crimes committed in the capitol? Or crimes against capitalists? WTF?

Based on your treatise about friendship and crime, you may be from the morally inverted world of Thugland, where people who try to do the right thing are labeled as snitches and rats. Those who live as parasites on society are heroes. Glad I don't live where you do.

It's clear that to dan (whom I do not agree with in any way, shape, nor form) comes from a place where a "capital" crime is a crime of capital, i.e. "property crime". What he doesnt' realize is that in the US, "capital crime" means a crime for which you are eligible for the death penalty.
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post #139 of 310
5/15/10 at 10:29am
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It's clear that to dan (whom I do not agree with in any way, shape, nor form) comes from a place where a "capital" crime is a crime of capital, i.e. "property crime". What he doesnt' realize is that in the US, "capital crime" means a crime for which you are eligible for the death penalty.

Wow, long time between posts! (five in nine years) Nice to hear from you. One of the few who've been here longer than me. Thanks for completing my jokey response to danboy.
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post #140 of 310
5/15/10 at 11:14am
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Originally Posted by harleighquinn View Post

That analogy is about as ludicrous as the "Stolen Cars" analogy.

Humorlessly, I knew it would come to something like this in the end and called it.

It's not ludicrous. I'm talking about CRIMINAL charges. A crime is a crime, no matter how you try to spin it. If you were talking CIVIL liabilities, then yes... Domino's would be the one to deal with it, as the driver was acting as a representative of Domino's.

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Now everyone is tripping over themselves to redact what they said about Chen. I don't even know the guy, but everyone on this site was treating him like he had raped their dog and took a crap in their grandmother's mouth. And for what? Taking pictures of an item that in the end is going to make APPLE ton's of money anyway? Giving Apple free publicity? Finally giving people something rather than being strung along by apple for another few months?

I'm not tripping over myself about anything - I never entered into any conversation until you made the ludicrous statement that someone isn't responsible for their crime.

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Apple should have reported the item stolen the day it was lost (I know there are guidelines that preclude this but they aren't even on record as trying) . Hogan should have actually tried to return it. Nowhere in there should Chen not have reported on it because his BOSS told him to. potential fame or not.

It doesn't matter when Apple reported it. It was a stolen item.

And now YOU are backtracking - saying Chen should have reported on it whether his boss said to or not. Before it was him doing his job... now it's him making the decision regardless of his job.
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post #141 of 310
5/15/10 at 11:31am
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Originally Posted by dan2236 View Post

Some of these comments (not yours in particular) really confirm my notion that american people can hardly be called "friends". The only thing they do is stay by your side when the sun is shining. I would *NEVER* call the police deliberatelky when I know that one of my friends (e.g.) robbed a bank. I would do all I could without going to prison to protect them.

I would *NEVER*EVER* make the effort and CALL THE COPS TWICE to make REALLY sure they catch them in all what they are doing. She not just called the police/Apple once, because she feared she would be held liable, she called AGAIN to TELL ON THEM when they were removing evidence. That is in NO WAY her obligation to do. They could never pin it on her after she alarmed the cops in teh first place that she was an accomplice to removing serial numbers and whatever.


You know we call this? Blockleiter or Blockwart, thats what certain people did under the Nazis to tell on Jews hiding somewhere, its the exact same analogy YOU ALL are using "its against the law, of course I have to report it". You people make me sick, you know nothing about the word FRIENDSHIP, you would betray your own mothers and children if it would put you even in very low legal risk.

WOW, YOU ARE SUCH AN IDIOT!!!!!
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post #142 of 310
5/15/10 at 11:36am
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Originally Posted by cvaldes1831 View Post

As for Engadget, who knows why they are suddenly silent on the matter, but it's suspicious behavior at best. Perhaps there is something, maybe an e-mail on Lam or Chen's computers that incriminate Engadget staffers as accomplices? Maybe some sort of publishing arrangement where Engadget (probably more readers than Gizmodo) links back to Gizmodo and gets kicked back a portion of the pageview profits?

Just speculating, but Gizmodo claimed that they paid $5 K for the phone, but the affidavit says that Hogan received $8500. I wonder if he first received $3500 from Engadget for showing them the phone and then $5 K from Gizmodo. At least the numbers would add up that way.

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That analogy is about as ludicrous as the "Stolen Cars" analogy.

You keep saying that, but so far, you've never been able to find any flaws in the analogy. I guess 'ludicrous' means that you're either not bright enough to understand something or you understand it and don't like the implications".

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Now everyone is tripping over themselves to redact what they said about Chen. I don't even know the guy, but everyone on this site was treating him like he had raped their dog and took a crap in their grandmother's mouth. And for what? Taking pictures of an item that in the end is going to make APPLE ton's of money anyway? Giving Apple free publicity? Finally giving people something rather than being strung along by apple for another few months?

No one's redacting anything except you. You keep saying that Chen did nothing wrong, yet his own words indicate that he's guilty of buying stolen property. That's a felony.


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Apple should have reported the item stolen the day it was lost (I know there are guidelines that preclude this but they aren't even on record as trying) . Hogan should have actually tried to return it. Nowhere in there should Chen not have reported on it because his BOSS told him to. potential fame or not.

Apple has no legal obligation to report the crime on your timeline or anyone else's timeline. If someone steals your car, it's stolen from the moment they drive away - even if you don't report it to the police for a couple of days because you think your friend might have borrowed it.

Get over it - Hogan and Chen are both criminals by their own admission. Whether you like it or not.
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5/15/10 at 11:50am
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You keep saying that, but so far, you've never been able to find any flaws in the analogy. I guess 'ludicrous' means that you're either not bright enough to understand something or you understand it and don't like the implications".

That analogy has been shown to be flawed on numerous occasion's by others. I will not reproduce their work here, but suffice it to say anyone that wishes to see you shut down can search other threads on the subject.

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No one's redacting anything except you. You keep saying that Chen did nothing wrong, yet his own words indicate that he's guilty of buying stolen property. That's a felony.

You are so clueless I feel they made a movie about you. Chen didn't purchase a thing, nor is there anything saying he did. Actually, his company may have, i.e.: his superiors (Lamb and company) but nothing states nor has been stated that Chen purchase anything. Those details matter in a criminal trial or even a civil one.

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Apple has no legal obligation to report the crime on your timeline or anyone else's timeline. If someone steals your car, it's stolen from the moment they drive away - even if you don't report it to the police for a couple of days because you think your friend might have borrowed it.

I won't argue the particulars of procedure with someone not qualified, nor will I attempt to state I am qualified as I am not a California resident.

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Get over it - Hogan and Chen are both criminals by their own admission. Whether you like it or not.

Yet to be proven in Chen's case, nor was there any "admission" in Chen's case. Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it true. Except in your own deluded psychosis.
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5/15/10 at 11:55am
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It's not ludicrous. I'm talking about CRIMINAL charges. A crime is a crime, no matter how you try to spin it. If you were talking CIVIL liabilities, then yes... Domino's would be the one to deal with it, as the driver was acting as a representative of Domino's.



I'm not tripping over myself about anything - I never entered into any conversation until you made the ludicrous statement that someone isn't responsible for their crime.



It doesn't matter when Apple reported it. It was a stolen item.

And now YOU are backtracking - saying Chen should have reported on it whether his boss said to or not. Before it was him doing his job... now it's him making the decision regardless of his job.

I never stated Chen should have reported it. I stated he should have reported ON it.

Words are there for a reason. Learn how to read english. Based on that alone I won't even bother with the rest of your post.
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5/15/10 at 12:07pm
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And I think you are engaged in classic misdirection.

What? Are you gonna pull a Stalin and try to go back and edit all your posts on this subject for the last month?

Whatever. I'm tired of sparring with you. Welcome to the ignore list. Usually I wouldn't do that, but I lose brain cells reading your posts. It's for my own senior health.

Or ...

After accusing me in public of saying something, you might want to elaborate on exactly what it is that I'm supposed to have said?

I'm not sure what you're even talking about here, in that you seem to be accusing me of saying bad things about Brian Chen et al, and then when I admit that I have said in the past that I think they are (guilty, jerks, immoral, irresponsible, etc.), you say "whatever," and walk away.

You don't seem to have a point to defend. It's not a sparring match unless we are actually arguing about something.

PS - WTF with the Stalin comment???? Stalin was noted for editing his posts? Seriously? Or editing your posts on a forum is to be equated with having a totalitarian stranglehold on an entire country and being personally responsible for the murder of millions of people?

I think you should pull out a dictionary and look up the word "hyperbole."
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post #146 of 310
5/15/10 at 12:20pm
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Or ...

After accusing me in public of saying something, you might want to elaborate on exactly what it is that I'm supposed to have said?

I'm not sure what you're even talking about here, in that you seem to be accusing me of saying bad things about Brian Chen et al, and then when I admit that I have said in the past that I think they are (guilty, jerks, immoral, irresponsible, etc.), you say "whatever," and walk away.

You don't seem to have a point to defend. It's not a sparring match unless we are actually arguing about something.

PS - WTF with the Stalin comment???? Stalin was noted for editing his posts? Seriously? Or editing your posts on a forum is to be equated with having a totalitarian stranglehold on an entire country and being personally responsible for the murder of millions of people?

I think you should pull out a dictionary and look up the word "hyperbole."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censors...e_Soviet_Union

Do you really want to look anymore uninformed than you already are?

You may want to consult that dictionary yourself.......
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post #147 of 310
5/15/10 at 12:21pm
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PS - WTF with the Stalin comment???? Stalin was noted for editing his posts?

Dude, really: everyone knows it was Mussolini who used to edit his posts. Stalin was the one who used to troll the Ally forums using the name "Histler." Seriously, your line made me laugh.
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post #148 of 310
5/15/10 at 12:57pm
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The term is "heed" and, again, Chen didn't do the negotiations. Lamb did .

It's not Lamb, it's Lam. Glass houses and all that.
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post #149 of 310
5/15/10 at 12:58pm
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I never stated Chen should have reported it. I stated he should have reported ON it.

Words are there for a reason. Learn how to read english. Based on that alone I won't even bother with the rest of your post.

I'd rather you didn't bother. You're clueless, obviously. I was talking about Chen reporting ON it.

Perhaps YOU are the one that needs remedial English. (It's capitalized, by the way.)
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post #150 of 310
5/15/10 at 1:02pm
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It's not Lamb, it's Lam. Glass houses and all that.

Automatic spell check.

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post #151 of 310
5/15/10 at 1:04pm
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I'd rather you didn't bother. You're clueless, obviously. I was talking about Chen reporting ON it.

Perhaps YOU are the one that needs remedial English. (It's capitalized, by the way.)

Learn to read. Not HOW to read, just read, period.

Then maybe you will actually respond to what's written.
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post #152 of 310
5/15/10 at 1:31pm
Note to thread (including myself). Signs that one may be on shaky ground an argument:

1) Comparisons to Hitler or Nazis

2) Correcting someone's grammar or spelling

3) References to someone's age or maturity

Just sayin' . . .
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post #153 of 310
5/15/10 at 1:37pm
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and what's the penalty for knowingly destroying evidence of a crime?

Hogan's quotes provided by the roommate would perhaps be considered hearsay and inadmissible in a court of law, but Hogan's actions speak louder anyway.

They definitely would not be considered hearsay.
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post #154 of 310
5/15/10 at 1:41pm
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Remind me not to visit wherever you come from....

He's from Germany . Anyway, now we went down to two people equating posters as either supporting Nazis and the Gestapo or are Stalin like in air brushing their posts. Honestly, you guys are a damn joke. Dan2236, if the Gestapo or Stasi were the ones who led the investigation of the lost iPhone, the Gizmodo website would had been down long ago, the the staff and their families would have been arrested, tortured and killed or send to the gulags or concentration camps for their crimes and for Brian Hogan and his room mate, they would be given a kangaroo trial before they are publicly executed. Harleighquinn, Stalin was much much worse. I had read Stalin's history. If your fellow posters are like Stalin, you would not be posting right now. you will be worm food by now.
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post #155 of 310
5/15/10 at 1:48pm
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He's from Germany . Anyway, now we went down to two people equating posters as either supporting Nazis and the Gestapo or are Stalin like in air brushing their posts. Honestly, you guys are a damn joke. Dan2236, if the Gestapo or Stasi were the ones who led the investigation of the lost iPhone, the Gizmodo website would had been down long ago, the the staff and their families would have been arrested, tortured and killed or send to the gulags or concentration camps for their crimes and for Brian Hogan and his room mate, they would be given a kangaroo trial before they are publicly executed. Harleighquinn, Stalin was much much worse. I had read Stalin's history. If your fellow posters are like Stalin, you would not be posting right now. you will be worm food by now.

And THAT is where the CORRECT usage of "hyperbole" applies, unlike how the OP WISHED for it to apply.

I've gotten tired and disgusted with people, especially in this forum and especially those that attempt to give me english lessons and have no idea the correct usage of a definition.

In the case of comparison to Stalin, that was direct hyperbole on my part toward the OP.

Dictionaries only get you so far without any experience or knowledge in HOW to write.

Also, the OP could have at least googled Stalin before replying. Or maybe read some Orwell....
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post #156 of 310
5/15/10 at 2:04pm
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Lam and Chen's careers in high-tech journalism are finished. Right now, Denton is trying to figure out the cheapest way to extract his company from this brouhaha and then unceremoniously dump his two loyal minions as criminals.

As for Engadget, who knows why they are suddenly silent on the matter, but it's suspicious behavior at best. Perhaps there is something, maybe an e-mail on Lam or Chen's computers that incriminate Engadget staffers as accomplices? Maybe some sort of publishing arrangement where Engadget (probably more readers than Gizmodo) links back to Gizmodo and gets kicked back a portion of the pageview profits?

I think it's highly probable that they are going to respond on Monday for the most hits, instead of burying it on a weekend.
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post #157 of 310
5/15/10 at 2:16pm
Yes, you are quite welcome to go through all my posts and see where I said Chen publicly admitted to receiving stolen property a crime under Californian law, in itself a criminal act deserving of investigation.

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Are you kidding me? Are you actually serious? Do you want me to actually go through a month of posts to find every single person, including yourself, that has stated vehemently that Jason Chen was a thief and should be prosecuted because he is a thief?

From the moment this story broke, all my comments in regards to this have pointed out that Chen publicly admitted to receiving stolen property a crime under Californian law in itself a criminal act deserving of investigation.

Show me where I have changed ANYTHING at all since my first comment on this matter.

It seems you are just trolling with your generalised statements regarding "everyone".

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Now everyone is tripping over themselves to redact what they said about Chen.

Ignorance of the law is no defence.

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5/15/10 at 2:31pm
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Yes, you are quite welcome to go through all my posts and see where I said Chen publicly admitted to purchasing stolen property a crime under Californian law, in itself a criminal act deserving of investigation.



From the moment this story broke, all my comments in regards to this have pointed out that Chen publicly admitted to purchasing stolen property a crime under Californian law in itself a criminal act deserving of investigation.

Show me where I have changed ANYTHING at all since my first comment on this matter.

It seems you are just trolling with your generalised statements regarding "everyone".



Ignorance of the law is no defence.

Delusion.

Stating they paid $5k for the phone and "admitting" they paid for stolen property are two entirely different things and therefore conjecture.

Also, the superlative "we" has many different meanings. There was nothing in Chen's video that stated "I". It was always "we". "We" means others beside Chen. "We" also can mean an organization, such as the company he works for.

And let's not even touch upon the fact nothing has been declared stolen property until charges are filed.....

I have the feeling I am having a battle or wits with an unarmed individual, mainly because I am.

A precursory run through of the reveal video already disproves everything you have stated in this post, much less makes you look like the rear of a certain equine creature.

I am very particular on details. So will a court and jury. You, apparently, are not.
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5/15/10 at 3:48pm
So a video showing Chen in possession of an object deemed to be stolen property does not show Chen in possession of it.

I see.

Ignorance of the law is no defence.


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Delusion.

Stating they paid $5k for the phone and "admitting" they paid for stolen property are two entirely different things and therefore conjecture.

Also, the superlative "we" has many different meanings. There was nothing in Chen's video that stated "I". It was always "we". "We" means others beside Chen. "We" also can mean an organization, such as the company he works for.

And let's not even touch upon the fact nothing has been declared stolen property until charges are filed.....

I have the feeling I am having a battle or wits with an unarmed individual, mainly because I am.

A precursory run through of the reveal video already disproves everything you have stated in this post, much less makes you look like the rear of a certain equine creature.

I am very particular on details. So will a court and jury. You, apparently, are not.

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5/15/10 at 4:10pm
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So a video showing Chen in possession of an object deemed to be stolen property does not show Chen in possession of it.

I see.

Ignorance of the law is no defence.

And in your case ignorance is your only defense.

The law, as written, has multiple interpretations (as any attorney who has had to argue it in a courtroom setting will tell you), and as I have already stated, the entire affair is moot until charges are filed against Gizmodo, or Chen (though, no matter how much you would like it to happen, it is HIGHLY unlikely charges will be brought against Chen.)

That is the argument. That you wish to crucify Chen. Not gonna happen. The law is on his side. He didn't "steal" said item, though you have stated repeatedly he did. CHEN didn't pay for said item, though you and other's continually state he did, as though he acted alone, or at all. The company he is affiliated with, on the other hand did. You have received your proof of that via the affidavit.

But you will still attempt to put Chen's head on a stake, though all proof states otherwise.

Therefore you are delusional.
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