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AT&T this week announced that its high-speed HSPA+ data network upgrade will bring theoretical maximum 14.4Mbps download speeds to more than 250 million Americans by the end of 2010.

The exclusive iPhone carrier in the U.S. plans to cover most of America with its network upgrade, which will double speeds on the company's existing 3G network, AT&T Operations CEO John Stankey disclosed at a Reuters event. According to Engadget, the upgrade could realistically offer most users download speeds between 7.2Mbps and 14.4Mbps.

Currently, the theoretical maximum speed for AT&T's 3G network is 7.2Mbps, thanks to an upgrade that was initiated last year with the launch of the iPhone 3GS. High Speed Packet Access 7.2 rollout began in late 2009, with initial expansion to six major U.S. cities. The theoretical maximum bandwidth is only possible under ideal conditions, and does not mean that most users will attain those speeds on their mobile device.

Last year, AT&T said it planned to offer HSPA 7.2 speeds in 25 of the nation's 30 largest markets by the end of 2010, but this week's announcement -- while not offering any specifics on which cities will receive the upgrade -- suggests that AT&T is ahead of schedule in deploying the high-speed 3G network. The iPhone 3GS is a HSPA 7.2-compatible phone.

Of course, HSPA+ is just a step on the transition to LTE, or Long Term Evolution, a next-generation 4G data network that AT&T plans to begin deploying in 2011. In February, AT&T revealed that it had partnered with Alcatel-Lucent and Ericsson in preparation for next year's commercial deployment of the high-speed 4G network, which will require the installation of new equipment.

The coming transition to LTE networks, of which AT&T competitor Verizon will also be a part, is expected to cost U.S. carriers an estimated $1.78 billion each in the first year alone. AT&T's 2010 network expansions, which include HSPA+ rollout and preparation for LTE, will be a part of between $18 billion and $19 billion in capital expenditures for the company this year.
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Bring it on. The network has definitely been faster where you get it, it's just that Delaware's state population of 800,000 is less than most major cities. Signal is great, but only when you can get it.
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So we can expect the next iPhone to support this then..
Our networks are running it already so I'm just waiting for compatible hardware.
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When the hell is 14.4 Mbps coming to landline broadband, let alone wireless broadband? Actually, come to think of it, 7.2 Mbps is faster than my cable connection at home. Something is seriously wrong in the ISP business...
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I get plenty of AT&T signal....just rarely get throughput in spite of how many bars I have. I can't count how many times a day I have to tap OK to "Unable to reach server" on my iPhone. Can AT&T please fix 3G before they start spending all this $ on upgrading to the next great thing?
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When the hell is 14.4 Mbps coming to landline broadband, let alone wireless broadband? Actually, come to think of it, 7.2 Mbps is faster than my cable connection at home. Something is seriously wrong in the ISP business...

Its due to the Telcos buying out or burying the local/regional ISPs and seeing as their bread and butter is mostly in Wireless they drive that first and the ADSL/ADSL2/ADSL2+/VDSL/VDSL2/FTTH/FTTN, etc., last.
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So we can expect the next iPhone to support this then..
Our networks are running it already so I'm just waiting for compatible hardware.

Let's put it this way if the new iPhone doesn't support 14Mbps then why bother?

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@wizard69:

STOP SCREAMING!
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iPhone formatted site doesn't work great on my iPhone.

I live in Charlotte - one of the first 6 cities slated to get the network upgrade last year. I notice little speed difference, though they have filled in a notable gap in a highly populated area I often travel to.

Every little bit helps, but I wouldn't hold my breath expecting service anywhere near the theoretical max.
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This is great and all, and this speed increase also means that some other issues will likely be resolved, but AT&T already bests everyone in the US in terms of speed. What they need to is market their pushing of the UMTS Operating Band V (850MHz), more 3G in more places, and evidence and promises of more reliability. AT&T needs to learn a little about marketing from Apple and Verizon.


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When the hell is 14.4 Mbps coming to landline broadband, let alone wireless broadband? Actually, come to think of it, 7.2 Mbps is faster than my cable connection at home. Something is seriously wrong in the ISP business...

I know people with broadband cable that is faster than the theoretical speeds of 802.11g (54Mbps). It's at the point where consumer router processing abilities are the bottleneck. I hope Apple updates the AirPort Extreme Base Station to deal with this growing issue.
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...I know people with broadband cable that is faster than the theoretical speeds of 802.11g (54Mbps). It's at the point where consumer router processing abilities are the bottleneck. I hope Apple updates the AirPort Extreme Base Station to deal with this growing issue.



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@wizard69:

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Actually it really sucks on the Iphone. The screen is small already, why would I want to reduce the screen size further with TWO useless banners.
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Actually it really sucks on the Iphone. The screen is small already, why would I want to reduce the screen size further with TWO useless banners.

Then vote in the Feedback section. Wizard69 is really just breaking forum rules and annoying forum posters with his huge sig. Link is in my signature.
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Then vote in the Feedback section. Wizard69 is really just breaking forum rules and annoying forum posters with his huge sig. Link is in my signature.

True that, but it WAS his giant sig that got the poll started. And the poll pretty much says it all. So what's up AI??
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Is this the same AT&T that said, IN NOVEMBER 2008, that we would have tethering "soon"?

Seriously, they're stalling for time. Data speeds in downtown Sacramento took a huge dump about two months ago. I don't know what they're doing, but they don't seem to understand how to run a wireless data network. Maybe they should go back to just selling voice service.

Oh wait, that's right, my iPhone doesn't work as a phone either.

P.S. Grrrrrrr.
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250 million by the end of this year? Great I'll be able to use it in my flying car that runs on oxygen and emits oxygen as waste.

What a joke man, this is at least 5 years away outside some testbed mid sized cities on the east coast.
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Is this the same AT&T that said, IN NOVEMBER 2008, that we would have tethering "soon"?

I have been saying for years don't trust tech coming soon hype. Only believe what you can see and is selling. I seen to much vaporware in my life I have become a skeptic in my old age of telecom and tech industries press releases.

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@wizard69:

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Ok, this is funny. I actually agree with wizard69 and dislike the mobile site but this is a great post.
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I know people with broadband cable that is faster than the theoretical speeds of 802.11g (54Mbps). It's at the point where consumer router processing abilities are the bottleneck. I hope Apple updates the AirPort Extreme Base Station to deal with this growing issue.

It supports up to 802.11n for wireless, which goes up to 108 Mbps. So I don't see anyone having over 100 Mbps internet in the US Even universities like UCI, which is the one I go to, only have 15 Mbps allocated to wireless users.
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14,4 Mbits that still lag behind most HSPA+ networks around the world at 21Mbits.

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It supports up to 802.11n for wireless, which goes up to 108 Mbps. So I don't see anyone having over 100 Mbps internet in the US Even universities like UCI, which is the one I go to, only have 15 Mbps allocated to wireless users.

I know. My comment used 802.11g as a comparison, though I know a Fin with speeds over 100Mbps.

Regardless, what is a theoretical speed is NOT a statement of what the HW can handle. Try getting several people on 802.11n for their notebooks, 802.11g for their phones on the dual channel, using the 1000BASE-T all trying to send copious amounts of data over the internet and local network and you have issues. Commercial routers simply aren't powerful enough to deal with certain consumer user's needs.

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14,4 Mbits that still lag behind most HSPA+ networks around the world at 21Mbits.

Who makes radios for mobiles that can handle that speed? I've only heard of it for USB broadband cards and used more for marketing between telcos than anything else.
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Who makes radios for mobiles that can handle that speed? I've only heard of it for USB broadband cards and used more for marketing between telcos than anything else.

It's only a matter of time.

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Bring it on. The network has definitely been faster where you get it, it's just that Delaware's state population of 800,000 is less than most major cities. Signal is great, but only when you can get it.

Thanks great if you live in Dover, Wilmington, or the Beaches. Just south of Dover, you can barely get Edge if you are lucky. I'll be happy with regular 3G.
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It supports up to 802.11n for wireless, which goes up to 108 Mbps. So I don't see anyone having over 100 Mbps internet in the US Even universities like UCI, which is the one I go to, only have 15 Mbps allocated to wireless users.

If I recall right there are deficiencies in the Airport that ratchet down the throughput and could definitely make your router the bottleneck. That's why I linked to that book.

I think it said super fast ISPs could overwhelm a consumer routers ability to perform NAT, at speeds above 25-30 Mbps. Still faster than what you have, but far lower than 108 Mbps.
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When the hell is 14.4 Mbps coming to landline broadband, let alone wireless broadband? Actually, come to think of it, 7.2 Mbps is faster than my cable connection at home. Something is seriously wrong in the ISP business...

We get 30 and 50Mbits in this part of Canada.

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It'd be cool if they could dial down the speed on this a little and get their signal to transmit further from the tower to improve their reception. WIll this transmit farther away?

AT&T is a punchline now, they need to do something about that.
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Still can't really get internet access on my iphone at a Phillies game. Have to switch my 3GS to Edge to get a connection. Yes I realize that 11,000 iphones in one spot might be a bit of challenge, but it's just that, a challenge figure it out ATT before we hit you with a Tazer and then puke on you!
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We get 30 and 50Mbits in this part of Canada.

With DSL?
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Still can't really get internet access on my iphone at a Phillies game. Have to switch my 3GS to Edge to get a connection. Yes I realize that 11,000 iphones in one spot might be a bit of challenge, but it's just that, a challenge figure it out ATT before we hit you with a Tazer and then puke on you!

Try another team.

It's about money, not technology. Configuring a locale to handle that kind of traffic just 80x a year for 4-5 hours when the Phillies are playing would raise the hackles of investors and users in other areas.
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When the hell is 14.4 Mbps coming to landline broadband, let alone wireless broadband? Actually, come to think of it, 7.2 Mbps is faster than my cable connection at home. Something is seriously wrong in the ISP business...



Most cable companies were forced to sell analog cable in their local markets. Blame your local government
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Thanks great if you live in Dover, Wilmington, or the Beaches. Just south of Dover, you can barely get Edge if you are lucky. I'll be happy with regular 3G.

I'm south of Dover.
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ive been in san francisco for a year now and have lived in san diego, i have had all of the generations of iphones, and on my current 3gs i get at best 600k down and 200k up with full bars. so all of this 7.2m to now 14m b.s. is a joke to me. anyone here agree?
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Really? I'd rather they didn't bother with the HSPA+ and instead focus on their crappy service! If I'm on my phone more than 5 minutes, its not a question of "if" my call will get dropped, it's just when, and how many times. Last time I called my mom my call was dropped 3 times in 30 minutes, and yeah, I had 4 bars...
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AT&T claims to have it implemented by the end of 2010, I really don't belive it.

More important Give the people in the BIG CITIES and everywhere else CONNECTIVITY!!!both for phone service and internet. There's no reason in 2010 that people should have to stand by a window or walk to a certain area of their house or workplace to make a call or go online.
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We get 30 and 50Mbits in this part of Canada.

i barely get edge in this part on rogers. \
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Thanks great if you live in Dover, Wilmington, or the Beaches. Just south of Dover, you can barely get Edge if you are lucky. I'll be happy with regular 3G.

Good luck with that. In downtown Wilmington between 9AM & 5PM, 3G often has no throughput. And I'm walking distance from the tower (at Christina Landing on the waterfront). So those of us above the canal would like functional 3G too. It's a load issue that AT&T hasn't been willing to address.
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Try another team.

Like who? The Phillies seem to have the NL locked up for the forseeable future... Although, I did get a decent signal at a Yankees game last year...

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It's about money, not technology. Configuring a locale to handle that kind of traffic just 80x a year for 4-5 hours when the Phillies are playing would raise the hackles of investors and users in other areas.

Don't forget the Eagles and Flyers!
I seem to recall AT&T putting together some sort of temporary boosting solution for some event inthe past. I don't know that the costs or technical hurdles are, but it seems like a few mobile response teams of trucks that could boost connectivity in event locations would be great PR...
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But back on topic...
I seem to fall in the middle here, with AT&T. I almost never have dropped calls or data connection issues where I live, work or play. But my speeds are nowhere near advertised: 0.61Mbps down and 0.09 up! I get 15+ down on my WiFi...
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post #39 of 90
How naive can people be?

Verizon's "There's a map for that" ads weren't based on fiction, you know. Huge parts of the country still don't even get a reliable AT&T Edge signal, let alone 3G.

When they start promising something even better than 3G, I take it as a slap on the face to the vast number of their own customers who know after years of waiting that *nothing* *is* *actually* *being* *done* to improve their service. That 3G coverage map? It hasn't changed in THREE FULL YEARS . . . .
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When the hell is 14.4 Mbps coming to landline broadband, let alone wireless broadband? Actually, come to think of it, 7.2 Mbps is faster than my cable connection at home. Something is seriously wrong in the ISP business...

It just happens that I was talking with a coworker friday who was talking about the bandwidth situation, he and I work in differant major US cities (both easily top 10 in size) he talked about getting 25MbPS FIOS, but not in the "haha" bragadociaous tone that one would expect when taking to a victom---er---customer of Comcast. He said "I got 25 because it is as fast as they said I could go, its sad that ou guys have the best companies and universities, but such poor connectivity compared to what I got at home in Japan."

ATT Comcast and Verizon will be responsible for the downfall of America as a great innovator if we are not careful...land line based internet sold as "high speed" or "broadband" should be 20MB at minimum and average 100...come on, this is America god damn it, we should be the best! Where is the drive for innovation that took us from 9600baud dialup to DSL and t1 in 10 years (1990 - 2000)? so we have gone from like 10MbPS in 2002 on comcast to a whopping 15 in 8 years, gimmie a fucking break!
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