Foxconn to ship 24M next-gen iPhones with improved displays in 2010 - Page 2

Whichever publication it is that you obtain your information from. Stop reading it.

Whether or not they break with ATT exclusivity, they DO sell in other countries you know?

My guess is that Steve has indeed seen Nexus One's display, as well as the displays of all competing smartphones plus displays that aren't being used in currently shipping devices. I suspect that Apple evaluates dozens of sample displays in the prototyping phase and that Steve himself is involved in the final decision process.

The display is the single most expensive component in the iPhone/iPod touch, so it would seem prudent that Apple selects this part for the best combination of qualities, including (but not limited to) size, power requirements, brightness, viewing angle, performance under direct sunlight, refresh rate, durability, longevity, color rendering, part quality, availability, recyclability, and of course, price.

What is your justification in believing that Apple would not behave like the Fortune 500 company that they are and pick such an important part without a thorough investigation of the available components?

Don't leave out Seattle. London, Seattle, and Transylvania.

Any word on a refresh to the Touches? Can we expect them to be refreshed in step with the iPhones and could the number of displays being talked about include Touch screens?

- Jasen.

I also forgot trolls. They love the dark too. Seems appropriate.

Based on growth and current sales figures 24M could be the number of iPhones sold in 2nd half of 2010.

Apple doesn't break out the iPod sales but they do state the number of iPhone OS devices. According to AI, Touch sales were up 55% YoY so I can't imagine that Foxconn number to include both devices.

Gizmodo photos do not reveal Apple A4 processor. The photos in Vietnam leak show Apple A4 photo with identical, 256MB DRAM marks as original A4 marks in iPad.

Processor die size has nothing to do with DRAM size, since Apple A4 is milti-chip Package-on-Package module containing CPU die and two DRAM dies.

This 12 month upgrade thing would seem to explain why I'm eligible for a full upgrade now (I just checked my account) even though I'm only 15 months into my 2-year contract. I've got 2 lines on my plan with 2 iPhones and I've got the 1400 minute plan for just under $200/month. Oddly enough, my wife's line is only eligible for the partial discount. Where a 16GB 3GS would cost me the normal $199 price, it's $399 for her. Good thing she's happy with her 3G for now. I'm assuming this will apply to the new phone when it comes out in June/July.

Just a thought about the whole RAM thing:

the main difference between the iPad and the iPhone 4G is that the latter will have 2 cameras, the former having none. Could this explain a necessity to include more RAM in the iPhone than in the iPad?

I am a bit baffled by people who wanted to upgrade everytime there is a new update of the iPhone, and yet unwilling to accept the fact that the purchase price of an iPhone is subsidized (that is amortized over a period of time). As noted by another poster, spend more and your eligibillity date will be advanced. Otherwise pay the full price of an unlocked iPhone, and buy as often as you want.

But that aside, it is possible that other smartphones may indeed have features more advanced or have more features than the iPhone.

In the end, as a portable mobile computing device, rather than just a cell phone, it is what you can do with it that enhances your day-to-day life, work, leisure and whatever interests you that should determine the utility of a mobile computing device. In other words, the Apps.

And also the ease of use of obtaining those Apps that interest you. To my knowledge, the highly integrated ecosystem of Apple -- while disparaged sometimes as the "walled garden" by critics and anti-Apple crowd -- is well received by iPhone OS (iPhone, IPod Touch and iPad) users. Even the non-Geek can download and use immediately whatever catch their fancy. If I have to guess, I assume that the vetted Apps store, is more than likely more secure than similar systems where any Apps are accepted fro the sake of openness.

I am not an expert of what are really available in the iPhone Apps Store. but the 200,000 and counting Apps is staggering. If it is true that there are more than a hundred thousand developers, or those who want to develop for the iPhone OS ecosystem, then this is a "feature" that beats all other features. You can have at your finger tips and access the creations (creativity, talent, imaginations) of all these individuals to potentially improve yourself.

Just one more thing, developers have criticized Apple for being too stringent in the review of Apps. I would agree with the arbitrariness of the review process -- the rules must be more transparent. However, considering how huge the Apps database is, I would even recommend that Apple should become more stringent. And if needed punish the transgressors.

For example, one blogger has found spam Apps ("guide Apps", or those hijacking "key words", including the proprietary trademarks of other Apps). The blogger speculated speculated that Apple may be unwilling to delete these spam Apps or take more stringent measures, like ban blatant transgressors) supposedly because such move may be condemned outright not only be self-righteous developers but may be repeated ad nauseum in the blogosphere and even mainstream media.

"Repetition becomes fact."

Customers are hurt by the proliferation of such spam Apps. Apple must have the balls to take action. And it would help if Apple will be more transparent with its Apps review policies.

CGC

You can not have IPS & AFFS+ in the same screen they are different technology's used to reach the same type advantages over regular LCD's. AFFS+ works better out side and uses less power.
The question is why was it not used in the iPad? There have been a few laptops & Tablets using this tech since 2008

http://blog.tabletpc.com.au/2009/07/...ion-f5-and-c5/

http://www.hydis.com/eng/04_rnd/rnd_ap_01.asp

Great post!

I will buy an iPhone 4G, regardless the new features they will include. Why? Because I own a Mac and have a MobileMe subscription. The integration of the iPhone into that alone is worth the money, IMO. My current phone has no updated contacts or calendar, simply because I would have do it twice every time (implicit message: I'm lazy ).

The apps you talk about is another great feature I'm looking forward to. For me it will also be my GPS and music player. Stuff I would have to by separately otherwise.

Good catch!

Thoughts on the 512 RAM

Consider this. No one knew how much the iPad would sell. Totally new product.
They had to keep the specs down to make it super-affordable.

With the iPhone. They are certain they will sell millions upon millions whatever the cost.
So why not beef it up.

Or it could be fake.. Who knows.
My 0.02

Interesting stuff.

What is the difference between AFFS, IPS and VA?

IPS (In-Plane switching) uses a horizontal electric field type LCD to ensure high color stability and simple process. VA has a vertically aligned electric field to facilitate high transmittance and fast response rate.

AFFS improves upon the IPS horizontally aligned field by creating an electric fringe enabling high transmittance and wide viewing angle. All three are used for the manufacturing of TFT-LCD. Click here to learn more.

http://www.hydis.com/eng/07_mis/mis_01.asp

Yeah it looks real awesome. I think the Cost of a 9 inch screen could have been why Apple did not put it in the gen 1 iPad, if they are really putting it in the next iPhone.

Apple sold 8.75 million iPhones last quarter alone - that would be 35 million in a year (plus undoubtedly a good-sized increase).

The iPod touch is on a separate release schedule approximately three months later than the iPhone. It is unlikely that the quoted number includes iPods.

I'm guessing that the next-generation iPod touch will look similar to the prototype iPhones that have been leaked.

24M is worldwide. There are other countries besides the US of A

The iPhone also has a phone app constantly running decreasing the amount of available RAM. 256 MB of RAM is fine for right now but considering that most people will only upgrade every other year as contracts near their expiration, it would make sense to have a device that is fully capable of running the current OS as well as subsequent versions and their enhancements. My wife's 3GS runs beautifully while my 3G is a bit sluggish. Considering the amount of money paid for a new iPhone it's not unreasonable to want at least 512 MB of RAM. For a premium product it should be standard.

Maybe not, but it IS unreasonable to pick an arbitrary number and claim that is the correct amount.

256 works fine on the iPad. It may be desirable to have more and that may be better from a 'future proofing' perspective, but to arbitrarily say that 512 is needed for a premium product is crazy.

I'll be one of those 24 million buying a gen. 4 iPhone.

I agree that the ecosystem is a feature to beat all features.

That's why lots of people went with Windows back in the day. I know that WRT me, when I finally outgrew my //c, I took a long time to decide between a new Mac and a new '486. It was when I walked down the software aisles at the local 'puter store that I finally made up my mind. DOS/Win3.1 had the Mac beat hands down. No contest. Game over.

I'd wager that nowadays, lots of people feel the same way about the availability of apps on iPhone OS.

But I think that this time around things may be different, given that Android now has a critical mass of apps, with most of the popular titles avialable on either platform, and many exclusive popular titles as well.

What I wonder is whether the platform with the most apps will win this time or not. It could be that history will repeat itself, or it could be that the competition will have sufficient quantities of compelling apps available, so that the raw numbers matter less today than in the days of the desktop wars.

exciting stuff!

I beg to differ. My objective was effectively articulated and would be understood by both those who know the definition of conclusory and those who don't.

Firstly, I did not say that I thought playing in the "great specs" (notice the quotation marks) arena was a good thing. Specs are meaningless unless they support the user experience that a single subjective user wants. The quotation marks were to show that there is in fact a number of companies who rely on specs to sell their devices whether or not those specs provide any better an end experience for the user.

Also, I did not say RAM is a limiting factor in this case. However, show me an Operating System coupled with an application written by a programmer who will not use that increased RAM for the benefit of his/her application, and I'll show you the number of fingers on my right hand.

I don't necessarily desire that the next revision of the device runs faster. Certain things on a device need to run at a certain speed to be usable, and so faster is not necessarily better. Having more room in RAM to use to make the experience better is often advantageous. The rubber band effect and other effects like it on the iPhone actually do take more RAM to incorporate, resulting in a nicer experience, in my opinion, but do not make the program run any faster in the user experience. It just makes the user experience better, more refined. (I'm sure I could have explained that a little more clearly but I believe most will catch my drift.)

However, having room for expansion is desirable because we do know that the programmers will push the limits, and that is what I want to be able to have down the road, which is a device that can use the OS and more sophisticated programs 3 years from now. And more RAM means more expansion for the RAM-hungry programmers.

More RAM is preferable. If you cannot infer that I want my device to run faster or not decrease its speed in the future with more RAM-hungry applications and new OS's then you need to open your mind a little and make some easy inferences and read between the lines too if you need to.

But, thanks for sharing!

I really do hope that this was indeed a conclusory reply. I really do.

Greg

My iMac ran fine with 1 GB of RAM and Mac OS X Leopard. It ran better when I upped it to 4 GB of RAM. I wonder why that is?

It didn't suck when it had 1 GB of RAM but it sure is nicer having 4 GB, so I believe that the new iPhone will run well with 256 MB of RAM, but if one is looking at keeping it for 3 years, as we have to do with our contracts here in Canada, then I would prefer that it have 512 MB for future OS upgrades, and programmers who love to use RAM to speed up their programs or use the RAM to make the user experience of the program better.

Now, I will go crawl back into my hole until another bonehead comment is made by one of us who is not an engineer or a genius.

At least down in my hole I won't be as easily noticing blanket statements that predict the exact RAM and processor specs of the next iPhone without any knowledge of Apple's plans at all.

Bye for now! Where's my ladder?!

Greg

Ol' sol. I usually enjoy your comments with the odd exception. This is one.

There ARE phones out there with 4.x screens that are not any bigger than the iPhone is now, or will possibly be in the next iteration based upon the supposed prototypes. So, yes, I would like a larger screen within the same dimensions of the current iPhone, which I believe is possible.

And, the iPhone does fit in my hand and comfortably in my pocket as would some of the other phones of very similar dimensions with larger screens.

I will, however, be happy with my 3.5 inch screen on the next iPhone should that be the size that comes out.

Greg

I suppose you'd rather any devices still have 640K? A very smart mind predicted that would be enough for decades to come. I'm glad he was wrong.

I'd rather hedge my bets and have more RAM in my device so that any programs/applications that come along that I really want to have to enhance my life, productivity and enjoyment can run smoothly and efficiently.

And might I ask how conclusory an allegation your post is?

Greg

I have a Nexus 1 and the screen is near useless outside, even to a certain degree on cloudy days-- due largely the screen's high reflectivity. I am in agreement that OLED would be a major mistake for Iphone 4. However, I hear Super OLED is rumored to have rectified these issues..

My only real gripe with Iphone 4 so far has to do with what appears to be a lack of a notification-LED light. This is a near standard feature that I have grown to depend on w/ various handsets.

Read this jetlaw? Perhaps you have and I haven't gotten to your post on this yet.

Imagine being able to have multiple tabs open and be able to switch back and forth without the browser having to refresh the page and download the content again. Imagine.

I'd almost think that, dare I say it, more RAM would be helpful in this area. I've seen reports of iPad owners not even being able to open two at a time without the first one having to refresh when going back to it.

Did the iPhone not bring the mobile browsing experience to new levels when introduced? Did the upgrade in RAM not allow more pages to be opened in the browser? With more sophisticated web pages and more content on these web pages, would a wee bit extra RAM not be helpful?

I'm just wonderin'...

Greg

And a danged couple of bright pennies those are!

Agreed, not to mention that our contracts are THREE years up here in Canada. I'd like a little more wiggle room, so to speak, in the RAM area since it is harder/more expensive to upgrade up north here.

Greg

Upgrade RAM?

First of all, upgrading your computer with more RAM is not harder/more expensive up (north) here.

But better yet, how the hell would you do it?

These are just our personal preferences so it's nothing to butt heads over.

The G4 iPhone has dimensions of 116.8mm x 58.6mm x 9.3mm, according to Gizmodo. The Sony Experia X10, for comparison, with a 4" display is 119mm x 63mm x 13mm. It offsets some of the increased display width (in your hand and pocket) by using a wider screen ratio.

I can't see Apple moving from 3:2 to 16:9 I should have included that with my original reply so a 4" display at the 3:2 ratio would be considerably wider in your hand and pocket. The display, without the framing, would be 84.6mm x 56.4mm compared to the current 73.9mm x 49.3mm at 3:2.

Do you even get cell reception out there in the 'peg? I thought the cell towers all froze and toppled.

OK. Count me in as well. That leaves Apple with only 23,999,998 to go!

There, that was easy....

When I take my iPhone outside all I see is reflection and glare.

When I look at my friend's Nexus One outside all I see is reflection and glare.

Neither work outside so as the OLED looks a generation or two ahead inside, I'll take it. LCD is only still around because it's cheap. It's next on the list for the tech dust bin.

I can only asume you have never seen a Nexus One. When you have come back and tell me it doesn't look better than an LCD. Oh and try to speak less like am angry child too, if you can.

Thanks.

Glossy LCDs are just as useless outside, but for me personally, I use my phone exclusively inside (train, car, office, plane etc). So OLED would be an easy, easy choice.