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Apple's updated entry level white MacBook now supports audio and video output via its Mini DisplayPort, enabling users to drive an HDMI HDTV using a single cable or adapter.

Support for audio output over the Mini DisplayPort connector debuted with the latest generation of MacBook Pros. Apple now sells a revised VESA-compliant adapter for HDMI output that extracts both audio and video signals from the Mini DisplayPort connector.

A support document for the new model indicates the 2010 MacBook's Mini DisplayPort connector can be used to "connect to an external display, projection device, or TV that uses a DVI, HDMI (audio and video) or VGA connector with a separate adapter. You can purchase adapters for supported video formats from Apple."

Third parties are also able to sell Mini DisplayPort to HDMI adapters (or complete cables) that deliver both audio and video signals, although some existing Mini DisplayPort to HDMI cables do not yet support audio, so buyers need to be aware of the signals supported by a given cable or adapter.

Previous Mac models with Mini DisplayPort required a separate cable to deliver audio output to a TV in addition to using HDMI to deliver video, either using the optical or analog minijack output or alternatively a USB port delivering digital audio output using a more expensive USB+Mini DisplayPort hybrid adapter.

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So the audio out over HDMI is a hardware upgrade? Does this mean that adapter won't work for my Macbookpro 5,2 model with audio out over MiniDP-HDMI? boo. i was thinking it was a firmware upgrade at most!
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I just bought a mac mini, do you know what that means? Three weeks from know the mini's will get upgraded with this feature. *sigh* I had talked to a Apple trained service tech and he believes that the audio over display port was added through a hardware update and can't be implemented with software.

Which is to bad as it is great feature to have instead of buying a display port/USB to hdmi adapter which works well but is an unnecessary cost.

This MacBook update looks pretty good and I think Apple will sell the heck out of them. I think I maybe getting one of these for my 10 year old daughter as I am tired of listening to her eMac which sounds like a vacum cleaner running full blast.
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Come on Apple, couldnt you have just done this in the first place?

Seriously, what did you think people were going to be using that Mini-DisplayPort for??
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I just bought a mac mini, do you know what that means? Three weeks from know the mini's will get upgraded with this feature. *sigh* I had talked to a Apple trained service tech and he believes that the audio over display port was added through a hardware update and can't be implemented with software.

Which is to bad as it is great feature to have instead of buying a display port/USB to hdmi adapter which works well but is an unnecessary cost.

This MacBook update looks pretty good and I think Apple will sell the heck out of them. I think I maybe getting one of these for my 10 year old daughter as I am tired of listening to her eMac which sounds like a vacum cleaner running full blast.

Well at least you have a good sense of humor about it all! Your daughter is a fortunate young lady!

My daughter is 25, in school and has a 13" MacBookPro with 4gig of RAM and 8hrs of battery life...I, of course, have the original intel MacBook!
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lol My daughter is 31, is doing online college courses, has the MacBook Pro with the great battery life too. I had a PC laptop that got about 1 1/2 hours of battery life on a good day and I thankfully went to an iMac, although I would have gotten the MacBook Pro if I hadn't had to purchase a new Mac before they went with the new batteries.

That was two years ago.

My next will be a MacBook, and I'm thinking that the basic MacBook is looking pretty good these days, although I'll probably spring for a MacBook Pro when the time comes. Trouble is, my iMac will probably last another 5 years and then some.

Ahhhhhhhhh..... I'll figure out some reason to sell it and buy a new MacBook Pro laptop!
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I wish monoprice would update their minidisplay port -> hdmi adapter to support audio.

OWC has it, but their price for HDMI cables is quite high ($25). I need an HDMI cable, the adapter and a firewire800 to miniDV cable.

The only reason I want to connect the mac to my tv is for netflix streaming...
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All your daughters are old enough for me to date.
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Originally Posted by debusoh View Post

I wish monoprice would update their minidisplay port -> hdmi adapter to support audio.

Monoprice's minidisplay -> hdmi adapter does support audio. We ordered it the day new MacBook Pro's came out. It works great!
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My daughter is 25, in school and has a 13" MacBookPro with 4gig of RAM and 8hrs of battery life...I, of course, have the original intel MacBook!

Isn't that always the way?! \
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Why doesn't Apple just put a damn HDMI out? Is it really that hard? You spend $1000+ on a laptop and have to get dinged for an adapter cable and hope you have it with you, can find it quickly when you need it.

Seriously, between this and the iPad's accessories necessary to do basic things...
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Originally Posted by Vatdoro View Post

Monoprice's minidisplay -> hdmi adapter does support audio. We ordered it the day new MacBook Pro's came out. It works great!

Which item did you order? I had the previous adapter with USB for 2-channel audio. I went to Monoprice's tech support web chat and was told point blank that they have no cables or adapters that support audio out of mini-DisplayPort and have no ETA as to when they will.
*NOTE* This product does NOT support audio for the 2010 MacBook that outputs audio through the Mini DisplayPort.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2 One solution might be to get their mDP(m)-to-DP(f) adapter and then a DP-to-HDMI cable that does support audio.
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Originally Posted by daving313 View Post

Why doesn't Apple just put a damn HDMI out? Is it really that hard? You spend $1000+ on a laptop and have to get dinged for an adapter cable and hope you have it with you, can find it quickly when you need it.

Seriously, between this and the iPad's accessories necessary to do basic things...

Based on the logic that additional ports out don't cost much, they should then add every port, just to satisfy every possible customer. The fact is, DisplayPort has better throughput, more features, and is more future forward than HDMI. HDMI instead of DP limits what can be pushed to a monitor. HDMI is fine for your HDTV but it's so great for external monitors.

Imagine if Apple included every adapter and port possible. Isn't nearly everyone then getting *dinged* for paying for features they won't ever use?
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Based on the logic that additional ports out don't cost much, they should then add every port, just to satisfy every possible customer. The fact is, DisplayPort has better throughput, more features, and is more future forward than HDMI. HDMI instead of DP limits what can be pushed to a monitor. HDMI is fine for your HDTV but it's so great for external monitors.

Imagine if Apple included every adapter and port possible. Isn't nearly everyone then getting *dinged* for paying for features they won't ever use?

I don't think I said add every port. But a typical life-span of a laptop before someone wants to upgrade it puts having HDMI out a timely choice as that's a port in your average consumers home that they can plug into their HDTV. Seems like reading the threads above Display Port isn't very adaptable as ports change and you still need to have the right hardware to even take advantage of it.
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Apple now sells a revised VESA-compliant adapter for HDMI output that extracts both audio and video signals from the Mini DisplayPort connector.

They do?
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I don't think I said add every port. But a typical life-span of a laptop before someone wants to upgrade it puts having HDMI out a timely choice as that's a port in your average consumers home that they can plug into their HDTV. Seems like reading the threads above Display Port isn't very adaptable as ports change and you still need to have the right hardware to even take advantage of it.

No, you didn't. You wanted to add the port you want to suit your needs even though it's a technology designed for a media center, not a PC. So if you are suggesting that Apple add a port because one doesn't want to pay a few dollars for an adapter then that opens things up for every port to be added because someone already has a cable for it or doesn't want to pay for an adapter.

DP is much more adaptable than HDMI as every implementation I know of will also output HDMI/DVI signaling. It will not output analog but I don't think supporting any and every consumer whim is a requirement. We finally have audio over a high-bandwidth, future-forward PC display connection. That's sounds good to me. For an HDTV I'd rather see the AppleTV get revised, not try to turn my MBP into a makeshift media center. Right now, I just use TiVo over the network and it works great; it even supports AVI and MKV containers.
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post #17 of 69
Overall it is a solid Macbook upgrade. Now how did this bit of info slip passed the leaks?
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Notice that big, ugly, hard-to-disconnect Ethernet port. Why Apple doesn't create a replacement along the lines of the MagSafe connector and open source it to the world is beyond me. A simple adapter would ensure backward compatibility in the few months before everyone rushes to this new and much more sensible standard.

The existing connector must be some 30 years old and had to have been designed to make it hard for non-IP staff to disconnect from their immovable PCs. It should have been killed off at least a decade ago.
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Originally Posted by bigdaddyp View Post

I just bought a mac mini, do you know what that means? Three weeks from know the mini's will get upgraded with this feature. *sigh* I had talked to a Apple trained service tech and he believes that the audio over display port was added through a hardware update and can't be implemented with software.

Which is to bad as it is great feature to have instead of buying a display port/USB to hdmi adapter which works well but is an unnecessary cost.

This MacBook update looks pretty good and I think Apple will sell the heck out of them. I think I maybe getting one of these for my 10 year old daughter as I am tired of listening to her eMac which sounds like a vacum cleaner running full blast.

This is exactly why I have been holding off on my Mac Mini purchase. I had a feeling it would be either HDMI or an MDP upgrade at some point, so I held off.

Now when are we going to see adapters that are compatible to this spec?
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any one knows whether mac mini has this new type of mini display with audio output yet?
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StarTech makes mDP adapters that support audio-out.

http://www.macworld.com/article/1472..._adapters.html My only issue is the complete lack of details about audio capabilities. For instance, the option with USB audio only supported 2 channel audio. Does this support 5.1 channel audio or greater? Oh well, this doesn't concern me so my interest is minimal.


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any one knows whether mac mini has this new type of mini display with audio output yet?

Nope.
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All your daughters are old enough for me to date.

We will all miss you around here, assuming you get caught dating the pre-teen with the e-Mac.
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No, you didn't. You wanted to add the port you want to suit your needs even though it's a technology designed for a media center, not a PC. So if you are suggesting that Apple add a port because one doesn't want to pay a few dollars for an adapter then that opens things up for every port to be added because someone already has a cable for it or doesn't want to pay for an adapter.

DP is much more adaptable than HDMI as every implementation I know of will also output HDMI/DVI signaling. It will not output analog but I don't think supporting any and every consumer whim is a requirement. We finally have audio over a high-bandwidth, future-forward PC display connection. That's sounds good to me. For an HDTV I'd rather see the AppleTV get revised, not try to turn my MBP into a makeshift media center. Right now, I just use TiVo over the network and it works great; it even supports AVI and MKV containers.

I don't know about others, but I've been waiting for months to buy a new Mac just because I want to be able to stream directly to my TV's through HDMI. I looked at the Rube Goldberg adapters previously required to combine video and audio and they were just too clugey. Plus, the only get analog audio. Now that Apple has finally made an acceptable Mini DisplayPort that includes audio, I am going to buy a new Mac. I suspect I'm not the only one. Although I am puzzled that now there is so little difference between the MacBook and the 13" MacBook Pro.
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It appears that there is no Audio input plug.

Of course one can use a USB headset, but for some applications a Mic/line input is desirable.

Too bad. Seems a shame to cut such corners!
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We will all miss you around here, assuming you get caught dating the pre-teen with the e-Mac.

I saw 25yo and 31yo, nothing even close to a teenager.


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Although I am puzzled that now there is so little difference between the MacBook and the 13" MacBook Pro.

For $200 difference (or $150 with education discount) I think the 13" MBP is a great up sell.

As Apple grows I think their very limited product line could hurt them. We're already seeing increased delays in updates after new CPUs become available. I wouldn't be surprised if we see a single model 15" MacBook, not unlike the iBooks coming in 12" and 14" sizes when the PowerBooks were 12", 15" and 17".
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Well at least you have a good sense of humor about it all! Your daughter is a fortunate young lady!

My daughter is 25, in school and has a 13" MacBookPro with 4gig of RAM and 8hrs of battery life...I, of course, have the original intel MacBook!

You are lucky! MY daughter (at college) has MY original intel MacBook, and I am left with the single proc G5 Power Mac! (Was a hot item in its day but now a lil clunky with all I have running at one time.)
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It appears that there is no Audio input plug.

Of course one can use a USB headset, but for some applications a Mic/line input is desirable.

Too bad. Seems a shame to cut such corners!

The Audio In is the Audio Out on the 13" MB and MBPs. Same goes for the larger MBPs, too, but they also have a separate Audio Out port. They are all both analog and optical.

They use the same 3.5mm jack in the iPhone so your headphones can support speakers and mic on same setup.
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I saw 25yo and 31yo, nothing even close to a teenager.

bigdaddyp in post #3.
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bigdaddyp in post #3.

Ah. Didn't even recall that "daughter" mention.
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Notice that big, ugly, hard-to-disconnect Ethernet port. Why Apple doesn't create a replacement along the lines of the MagSafe connector and open source it to the world is beyond me. A simple adapter would ensure backward compatibility in the few months before everyone rushes to this new and much more sensible standard.

The existing connector must be some 30 years old and had to have been designed to make it hard for non-IP staff to disconnect from their immovable PCs. It should have been killed off at least a decade ago.

I agree, I have wondered about that myself as well. But then again, how long before this port will be gone fore good too? I don't remember when I used it for the last time. In the mean time, WiFi is omnipresent. And if there is no WiFi, say in a hotel, I use my Airport Express.

I would give it another two years and then it will be Apple - who else? - as the first one to omit this port. Of course the PC world will laugh and cry at first again but like with the floppy disk and CD-player, leave it up to Apple to lead the way.

Jan
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I agree, I have wondered about that myself as well. But then again, how long before this port will be gone fore good too? I don't remember when I used it for the last time. In the mean time, WiFi is omnipresent. And if there is no WiFi, say in a hotel, I use my Airport Express.



Jan

Actually, Apple and Intel are supposedly working on an optical connector that will serve several puroposes. Known as "Light Peak", 10GBS is the estimated speed. Should replace firewire, ethernet and maybe every other connector that requires very fast speed.
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Actually, Apple and Intel are supposedly working on an optical connector that will serve several puroposes. Known as "Light Peak", 10GBS is the estimated speed. Should replace firewire, ethernet and maybe every other connector that requires very fast speed.

And up to 100Gbps and beyond. But there seem to be many issues with this tech.

For starters, despite Intel's speed to get this going and their delay on USB3.0 support, there seems to be little evidence that LightPeak is close to be supported by anyone and USB3.0 chips are being shipped by the millions.

Another issue is the cost of adapters. Just look how much a cooper-to-cooper adapter costs from DP-to-HDMI. Just because LightPeak is protocol independent doesn't mean that an optical cable can bump a signal to a cooper cable. Adapters are historically much, much cheaper than convertors.

I wouldn't expect to see LightPeak for at least another year. Heck, OpenCL was ratified and adopted at light speed and I still can't find a single Apple product that uses it.
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any one knows whether mac mini has this new type of mini display with audio output yet?

I just bought the higher end configuration and it does nor put our audio over displayport.
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Ah. Didn't even recall that "daughter" mention.

Just because we are living in the south doesn't mean that an older man dating a pre-teen is an acceptable societal norm...anymore.

I agree that the macbook line needs a 15" model but should keep a 13" model for the kids that need a thin and light portable. In the past some people have claimed that if you need a larger screen you need a "pro" model. I disagree, It could simply mean you are like me and getting old.
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Actually, Apple and Intel are supposedly working on an optical connector that will serve several puroposes. Known as "Light Peak", 10GBS is the estimated speed. Should replace firewire, ethernet and maybe every other connector that requires very fast speed.

i am not sure how "light peak" works as i did not read their spec. but the issue is not that fiber technology can not do 10gig or faster. it is electronics. regardless what speed, it has to convert to electronic signal from optical. the dispersion resulted from this conversion at 10g speed is hugh, thus at this speed, to do this electronic dispersion compensation is not a simple task, so an extra chip is needed. this will add more cost. so within couple of years, higher speed in optical on desktop pc is not feasible.
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I don't think I said add every port. But a typical life-span of a laptop before someone wants to upgrade it puts having HDMI out a timely choice as that's a port in your average consumers home that they can plug into their HDTV. Seems like reading the threads above Display Port isn't very adaptable as ports change and you still need to have the right hardware to even take advantage of it.

If there was proper cable support for mini-DP->HDMI (including audio), I think most people wouldn't need an HDMI port. The problem is that most of the 3rd party cables available today don't pass audio to the TV. Apple owes it to their customers to build a cable that "just works" to make this a non-issue for people.

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Apple owes it to their customers to build a cable that "just works" to make this a non-issue for people.

This I agree with.

To add to that, I think Apple should have included audio to mDP when they first introduced it... along with an adapter.
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Support for audio output over the Mini DisplayPort connector debuted with the latest generation of MacBook Pros.

No, it debuted with the latest generation of iMacs.
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So, how many audio channels are supported through the HDMI cable? 5.1?
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