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post #41 of 286
5/20/10 at 11:36am
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Originally Posted by stevetim View Post

As an Apple TV owner I can tell you this looks like it will blow apple TV away. I still don't understand the lack of browser support on the apple tv.

The purpose of the AppleTV is to stream the iTunes content from your Mac. And it does that very well.

Not a failing of the product if you want it to be something else.
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post #42 of 286
5/20/10 at 11:37am
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Originally Posted by DaveGee View Post

That is unless... this box an open platform that developers can deploy 'stations' (streaming apps) on to **and** if it supported 1080p with good audio support. Then it's an entirely different product and one that Apple will be KICKING themselves for not doing first.

Exactly. It runs Android and you can write Apps for it. It includes the Android marketplace. ABC, CBS, NBC, Hulu, etc, might not have been mentioned, but they can write their own apps for GoogleTV.

This has the potential for doing for the living room what the iPhone/AppStore did for the cellphone.
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post #43 of 286
5/20/10 at 11:37am
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Originally Posted by Jetz View Post

You know how people say an iPhone is the best because it just works, right out of the box? Well that applies here. People want a set-top box that just works. Nobody wants to have to hack their box just to add web browsing. And nobody wants to have to hook up their computer just to browse the web or stream a few clips. Having a browser built-in is gold. I really don't understand why Apple hasn't done that yet on Apple TV. It's the only thing keeping me from buying an Apple TV.

The issue really isn't that simple. Hulu will eventually block this because they want users to watch it live for ratings. Watching a couple of clips is cool but there really isn't a solution here. Most will use YouTube which is already available on the AppleTV. The ultimate goal has been to move TV to the web where it should be. Windows Media Center still is another alternative that ha been around for awhile now (with more features).

The only box that I'd purchase is the Roku player for watching Netflix. The AppleTV is still not there nor is the product from Google. I can just hook up my MBP, use Boxee and get the same kind of experience (with the Apple Remote).
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post #44 of 286
5/20/10 at 11:39am
The real problem here is that Google rarely does anything well. They acquire all sorts of properties, only to allow them to languish with no improvements and no technical support and no quality experience for the customer. Blogger.com anyone? Just one example.
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post #45 of 286
5/20/10 at 11:41am
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Originally Posted by AsianBob View Post

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- Wouldn't surprise me if the cable companies start pumping content to it. You can already access past episodes from their websites.

Yes, the thing to watch here is what fancast will do. fancast is a recent comcast purchase that i think is better than hulu at this point (at least if you are a comcast subscriber).
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post #46 of 286
5/20/10 at 11:42am
If Apple can do just three things on top of what @tv currently does: (i) Make @tv stream anything that is on my desktop/laptop/iPad screen on my TV screen; (ii) Allow for @tv to record programs from cable on to its hard drive (in HD); (iii) Come with a built-in disc player (preferably Blu-Ray), it will blow away just about everything else in the home entertainment media market, let alone this vaporware Google product.

It's so simple, Apple; c'mon, you can do it.

Don't need web browsing on my TV. Thanks.
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post #47 of 286
5/20/10 at 11:43am
I think the Holy Grail for most users is one box that will do it all and do it in an easy manner. The Google TV concept sounds promising, but they really need to keep the user experience in mind.

I really like the idea of Apple TV -- I've been wanting to take the plunge, but it seems to me that Apple's device is lacking the killer app -- something that makes it so compelling, like for iPod, iPhone, or the Mac. Adding a browser seems to be a no-brainer, and adding DVR capability would be nice too.

I know that Apple's never really been about overloading features in their products, but Apple TV still feels a bit half-baked to me.
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post #48 of 286
5/20/10 at 11:43am
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Originally Posted by AppDev View Post

I watched the keynote and yes it does blow the Apple TV away. There is no need to hit input on your remote to switch to another input source. It works on the same source as your tv.

Could you elaborate on that? Are you saying that the Google TV and your Cable Box will both be connected to the HDMI-1 port on the TV? Does Google TV have an integrated HDMI switcher? So the cable box connects to the google box and somehow google auto switches between input based on if you turn the google box on?

That would be pretty cool...

Google TV box off... Cable TV HDMI pass-thru the GTV box unmolested to the TV
Google TV box turned on... Google TV signal gets fed to the TV instead.
Google TV box turned back off... Cable TV snaps back!

Great idea and something Apple should have done...

I've said it before and I'll say it again.... non-tech types will not use any form of VIDEO SIGNAL SWITCHER and implementing them is going to give you nothing but upset wives, inlaws, parents, etc.

*Nontech Home Invader: "Hey I've got this black screen when I turned the TV on"
Me: "Okay someone left it on the AppleTV input... just pick up the remote and keep pressing input until the cable box channel appears"
NTHI: "Keep pressing WHAT until WHEN?!?!"
ME: "Okay, I'm on my way just sit tight..." (over the years I've learned to give up while I'm .. only slightly behind)
NTHI: "Gosh I never knew it could be THIS difficult to just watch some TV"
ME: /facepalm

*NTHI = Parents, inlaws, wife, aunts, uncles, insert your own favorite non-tech visitor.
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post #49 of 286
5/20/10 at 11:44am
1) I called this a year ago but I thought it would be Chrome OS, not Android.

2) These will likely all be very shitty implementations for a long time to come. Just look at current internet-ready TVs. However, it's even more imperative that Apple get a viable media extender appliance to market.
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post #50 of 286
5/20/10 at 11:44am
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Originally Posted by davesw View Post

Google is becoming a ravenous rat.

the "Me Too" company.

pathetic.

"Me too" has been Microsoft's strategy and it works if done right, as much as some of us may personally dislike it.

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post #51 of 286
5/20/10 at 11:47am
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Originally Posted by davesw View Post

Google is becoming a ravenous rat.

the "Me Too" company.

pathetic.


Does anyone long for the days when Microsoft was the ravenous rat and the "Me Too" company?

Wonder what happened to MS?

I used to remember when MS had so many posts on these rumor sites, so often, as the 'competition' with Apple, that people use to complain what was the significance of having MS stories on an Apple Rumor and News site...

Poor, poor MS...

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post #52 of 286
5/20/10 at 11:47am
Google is hilarious talking about Google TV in the present tense and like they really know what consumers want, yet only showing cartoon mock-ups. Google also acts like we've never seen a TiVo or other DVR with search. It appears GTV will not include DVR functionality. Whoop-dee-doo.

One detail omitted: just as with Android phones, software updates and security patches will require purchase of a new Google TV.


As to why Apple never provided a web browser in the Apple TV, perhaps they will now, but only after a hardware refresh that provides Bluetooth wireless keyboard/mouse. Just by supporting a keyboard, mouse and browser, any device like Apple TV or a DVR would become far easier to use and blow GTV out of the water.


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post #53 of 286
5/20/10 at 11:49am
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

1) I called this a year ago but I thought it would be Chrome OS, not Android.

2) These will likely all be very shitty implementations for a long time to come. Just look at current internet-ready TVs. However, it's even more imperative that Apple get a viable media extender appliance to market.

I thought it would be chrome also. Very clever of them to make it android to strengthen the relevance of that OS. Looking at the brief presentation stories and photos i have seen, this looks like a pretty good first iteration. Not sure I will buy yet ... price is a big factor that they have no released.
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post #54 of 286
5/20/10 at 11:52am
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

1) I called this a year ago but I thought it would be Chrome OS, not Android.

2) These will likely all be very shitty implementations for a long time to come. Just look at current internet-ready TVs. However, it's even more imperative that Apple get a viable media extender appliance to market.

Isn't this basically a MacMini that can search your cable channels?

And sorry, but the first minute of that movie looked like an infomercial

"Is your IQ so low its impossible to figure out when your television programs are on?
Do you have to cancel important functions to watch tv? (even though VCRs have been around for 40 years?) well now finally there is an alternative!"

My Cable TV already has a search function and I'm not an idiot so I can figure out how to PVR something that is on at a bad time. To me, this product seems fairly useless.

The AppleTV isn't great either, but its got a specific purpose. Maybe AppleTV is simply overpriced for what you get, so people think it should be more than it is.
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post #55 of 286
5/20/10 at 11:52am
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Originally Posted by Foo2 View Post

As to why Apple never provided a web browser in the Apple TV, perhaps they will now, but only after a hardware refresh that provides Bluetooth wireless keyboard/mouse.

Actually the iphone does a great job solving keyboard needs ... apple sells a remote app that connects nicely with appleTV. They are either too "lazy" to add the necessary features (to use a Steve Jobs word) or they haven't figured out how to make money. The latter is more likely.
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post #56 of 286
5/20/10 at 11:52am
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Originally Posted by stevetim View Post

Google has made it clear flash is a big part of the future for their device.

And that is were their whole thing goes sideways.
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post #57 of 286
5/20/10 at 11:55am
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Originally Posted by ekeefe41 View Post

I don't understand how this is competition to AppleTV? AppleTV is an extension of iTunes to your TV where you can buy movies and TV shows. Google TV brings the web to your TV.
Is there even a web browser on AppleTV?

I know everyone is all jacked up looking for more Apple Vs Google fodder, but i don't think this new product really applies.

Apple TV, the Netflix TV product and Google TV (at least as described) are all marginally successful attempts to present a better UI than your cable carrier.

None them will get above niche product status unless they either (1) make a deal with one or two of the major cable carriers to replace the set-top box interface, or (2) put together a content deal that allows you to bypass cable altogether, which is going to require a comprehensive package of current-season TV shows.

The most do-able best case scenario for consumers would be Google the first and Apple doing the second, which would give many people a better cable product than they have now (Google TV-driven cable) and, effectively, one more choice for TV content than they have now (Apple TV). I say "effectively" because Apple TV is already an option but still needs to work out deals with the networks for a subscriptions pricing model and streaming HD of news, sports and special event content to be a serious cable competitor.
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post #58 of 286
5/20/10 at 11:55am
I really think that this is an area in which Google is getting it right, and Apple is getting it wrong.

Apple just HAS to open up. I understand what they are doing from their perspective, but in the long run, it's not going to win. They have to support more content partners, and codecs. And they have to move faster. Google has shown that they are not like Microsoft, Palm, and others. They can move swiftly. And with their software being free to anyone, it's a big temptation.

On my iPad, I can't play mpeg. It's got to be m4v plus a few other formats that Apple uses. Why? I can't think of a single useful reason.

Also, the iPhone OS doesn't recognize JPEG2000. How can that be? It means that I've got to have Preview re-encode every PDF with images that was a scanned document in order for it to be able to have its images seen. It also results in a much bigger file. Why is this? My Mac has no problems here.

Apple has to lose some of its stubbornness. Even for those of us who have used the platform for many years, as well as the new devices, it can get frustrating at times.
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post #59 of 286
5/20/10 at 11:58am
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And that is were their whole thing goes sideways.

Yes it goes sideways on mobile devices. But for this application i can see where flash is an advantage.
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post #60 of 286
5/20/10 at 12:02pm
Wow! Most of you here have had your heads buried in Apple's sandbox for too long. The number of devices and software out there that performs similar functions in huge. AppleTV is so far behind that it really doesn't compete.

Google also announced today that the latest Android build streams iTunes libraries.

Lets compare:
AppleTV
Streams Apple content
Allows you to buy Apple content with your remote

Google TV
Streams Apple content
Allows you to buy content from several vendors with your remote
Netflix
Hulu
Full web browser (ABC, NBC, FOX, CW, CBS, Sexy Time etc...)

Windows Media Center
All of the above + DVR for cable TV including premium encrypted channels (can record 6+ channels at once)
When used with WHS V2 can stream your TV shows, Music and DVD library over the web to anyone anywhere (Includes transcoding to reduce bandwidth needed based on internet connection).
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post #61 of 286
5/20/10 at 12:02pm
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I'm assuming you just read the article instead of watching today's keynote. It answers a lot of your questions.

Assumption incorrect... I watched the animated video twice now and instead of LOTS of my questions being answered it answered none of them.

- It made NO mention of having DVR capabilities tho it made it seem like it did when it said it will 'SEARCH YOUR RECORDED PROGRAMS' which is not the same as 'IT CAN RECORD PROGRAMS'.

- It made NO mention of output quality for video or audio

- Netflix WAS shown but HULU was NOT (as far as I can tell anyway) and HULU has made it clear that THEIR content is NOT intended for the TV mostly due to the wishes of the content owners and the fear of the cable systems. Netflix was a no brainer, its agreement with whoever it gets its media from has no problem with the stuff being seen on TV screens.

- As for the major broadcast stations and big cable channels... They are in a very awkward position... they have to be very careful with how they allow their content is presented since the cable systems will retaliate if they fear their subscriber base might be tempted to cancel their overpriced services. So it actually WOULD surprise me if Google TV was allowed to stream full quality 'main stream' shows onto a HD TV.
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post #62 of 286
5/20/10 at 12:07pm
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Originally Posted by Sofabutt View Post

Finally Apple has some competition in this area. Hopefully it will stimulate some upgrades and enhancements to the Apple TV product.

iPhone OS + AppleTV = Instant dominance over GoogleTV Why can't Apple get their act together on this?!
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post #63 of 286
5/20/10 at 12:07pm
Referring to Steve Jobs promotion of HTML5, Gundotra says in his introduction, "Hey, we'll take support from wherever we can get it."

Sounds like Gundotra/Google believes the Internet is theirs, not everyone's.
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post #64 of 286
5/20/10 at 12:09pm
This just in:

Android-powered coffee maker
Android-powered blow-up doll
Android-powered pr0n videos
Android-powered landfills
Android-powered <insert next useless Android-powered appliance here>
And of course, an Android-powered Android.

Did I miss anything?

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post #65 of 286
5/20/10 at 12:11pm
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Originally Posted by DaveGee View Post

- Netflix WAS shown but HULU was NOT (as far as I can tell anyway)

according to news stories i've read hulu was shown. Not sure yet if it's true. Also engaget says hulu is locked out of the new android phone with 10.1 flash. Work on google tv but not the phone? interesting.
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post #66 of 286
5/20/10 at 12:12pm
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Originally Posted by clexman View Post

Wow! Most of you here have had your heads buried in Apple's sandbox for too long. The number of devices and software out there that performs similar functions in huge. AppleTV is so far behind that it really doesn't compete.

Yea I'm __kinda__ with you but lets not be too boastful without knowing all the facts.

- HULU has made it VERY clear that their service was intended for the computer screen and NOT the TV screen. The reason was tied back to the content owners who are very much in fear of screwing their relationship with the cable systems.

- The networks ARE the 'content owners' (in many cases) and I'd be very surprised if you were allowed to display a full HD quality program from CBS or ABC or NBC thu the Google TV box and onto an HDTV. The reason is the same as above... 'the cable systems'.

The content owners make LOTS of money from the cable systems and given the current level of legally viewable shows the only thing cable has left going for it is that they have it all 'organized' this google device has the ability to solve that last problem and this is the reason why I have NO doubt the major networks will block GTV devices from getting the top quality content off their web sites.
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post #67 of 286
5/20/10 at 12:12pm
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Originally Posted by Foo2 View Post

Google is hilarious talking about Google TV in the present tense and like they really know what consumers want, yet only showing cartoon mock-ups. Google also acts like we've never seen a TiVo or other DVR with search. It appears GTV will not include DVR functionality. Whoop-dee-doo.

One detail omitted: just as with Android phones, software updates and security patches will require purchase of a new Google TV.


As to why Apple never provided a web browser in the Apple TV, perhaps they will now, but only after a hardware refresh that provides Bluetooth wireless keyboard/mouse. Just by supporting a keyboard, mouse and browser, any device like Apple TV or a DVR would become far easier to use and blow GTV out of the water.


In case anyone believes the government is going to help protect the public's privacy:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0307/3043.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...061902058.html
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n...g-contacts.ars

it's a similar strategy that worked for microsoft with the courier as well...do a cute video (vaporware)...and fans will go crazy for it
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post #68 of 286
5/20/10 at 12:14pm
The areas that this OS is going (and its rapidity), when you stand back and look at the big picture, is amazing.

The way things are lined up in the market, with Apple and its iPhone OS (which is in the iPod Touch, iPad, iPhone and Apple TV?) deploying to its hardware (where its had the market it built) and now here comes the free android OS open to all hardware vendors - really reminds me of the watching what happened in the personal computer market in the early to mid 80's (i.e. Apple was sitting great with its Apple II and one day woke up to find the IBM PC and eventually all hardware makers of PC's - just totally extended and ran away with the market at cheap prices on MSDOS and eventually Windows relegating Apple to a very small part of that market).

This really reminds me of the early stages of that (yeah I'm that old).

Is Android shaping up to be the MSDOS/Windows of the non PC computer market? It really seems like it. The more places it gets deployed on, the more attractive it becomes.

What are the implications for Apple if that is the case?
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post #69 of 286
5/20/10 at 12:14pm
This will fail for the same reason Apple TV fails. Most people who would consider this will also easily figure out that you can just hook up a bigger monitor or tv to any old computer.
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post #70 of 286
5/20/10 at 12:15pm
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Originally Posted by DaveGee View Post

Assumption incorrect... I watched the animated video twice now and instead of LOTS of my questions being answered it answered none of them.

- It made NO mention of having DVR capabilities tho it made it seem like it did when it said it will 'SEARCH YOUR RECORDED PROGRAMS' which is not the same as 'IT CAN RECORD PROGRAMS'.

- It made NO mention of output quality for video or audio

- Netflix WAS shown but HULU was NOT (as far as I can tell anyway) and HULU has made it clear that THEIR content is NOT intended for the TV mostly due to the wishes of the content owners and the fear of the cable systems. Netflix was a no brainer, its agreement with whoever it gets its media from has no problem with the stuff being seen on TV screens.

- As for the major broadcast stations and big cable channels... They are in a very awkward position... they have to be very careful with how they allow their content is presented since the cable systems will retaliate if they fear their subscriber base might be tempted to cancel their overpriced services. So it actually WOULD surprise me if Google TV was allowed to stream full quality 'main stream' shows onto a HD TV.

DVR is not part of Google TV. However, we could easily see DVRs with GoogleTV. Then again if you are streaming video off the internet do you really need a DVR?

Quality is 720p or 1080p. Apps should at least support 720P and GoogleTV will upscale it or Apps can support both.

Hulu might not have been mentioned but I wouldn't be surprised if we see a subscription based App similar Hulu for the iPad.
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post #71 of 286
5/20/10 at 12:16pm
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On my iPad, I can't play mpeg. It's got to be m4v plus a few other formats that Apple uses. Why? I can't think of a single useful reason.

Also, the iPhone OS doesn't recognize JPEG2000. How can that be? It means that I've got to have Preview re-encode every PDF with images that was a scanned document in order for it to be able to have its images seen. It also results in a much bigger file. Why is this? My Mac has no problems here.

Both of those things are not at all true. mpeg-4 and pdfs display fine. it's not Apple's fault you're one of 7 people who used jpeg2000.
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post #72 of 286
5/20/10 at 12:17pm
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Originally Posted by stevetim View Post

Google, unlike "un-boxeed" apple tv connect to hulu for the free content and amazon for iTunes like content, so they will have no trouble there. Wouldn't be surprised to see netflix added also. Google will go out and find all the free content that is available. Also, unlike apple tv they will play flash. Google has made it clear flash is a big part of the future for their device.

Hulu will likely block it like they have for android phones, the ps3 and boxee. I didn't ask for opinions on Flash or the current Apple TV. I asked if they were providing any content distribution. Which it appears they are not. This is a content aggregator, which is great in it's own right, but it doesn't provide any new service. This is a great step forward, but I'm still hoping for an online subscription service that can fully replace cable.

Google TV plus a subscription service would be great, but maybe Apple is closer to getting such a deal.
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5/20/10 at 12:18pm
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according to news stories i've read hulu was shown. Not sure yet if it's true. Also engaget says hulu is locked out of the new android phone with 10.1 flash. Work on google tv but not the phone? interesting.

Hopefully things have changed... it would be nice even tho everything I'm reading about the Hulu paid service is rubbing me the wrong way.

Interesting Link: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/tech...hulu-tvco.html

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Of course, Hulu's owners have been notoriously reluctant to support Internet-on-TV technology for fear of harming the cable TV companies that figure prominently in their business models. But there's intense interest among tech companies in providing a bridge from the Net to the TV, so it's going to happen with or without the networks' support. For example, DivX and Rovi, two software developers with broad partnerships among consumer electronics manufacturers, also are positioning themselves to provide a platform for online video in set-tops and TVs, as are Boxee, Apple and Microsoft.

The rest can be read here: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/hulu/
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5/20/10 at 12:21pm
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Originally Posted by robogobo View Post

This will fail for the same reason Apple TV fails. Most people who would consider this will also easily figure out that you can just hook up a bigger monitor or tv to any old computer.

Sony and others are going to build it into HDTVs and Blu-ray players. The reason it could succeed is suddenly people who don't know how to hook up a "bigger monitor or tv to any old computer" can use it. Just like the iPhone unlocked the mobile web for the masses this has the same potential for web TV.
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5/20/10 at 12:22pm
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Originally Posted by hezetation View Post

iPhone OS + AppleTV = Instant dominance over GoogleTV Why can't Apple get their act together on this?!

Because it's not June 7th yet
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5/20/10 at 12:22pm
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As an Apple TV owner I can tell you this looks like it will blow apple TV away. I still don't understand the lack of browser support on the apple tv.

If they don't take Apple TV out of hobby status ... they might as well shut it down.

My thoughts exactly.
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5/20/10 at 12:24pm
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... it's not Apple's fault you're one of 7 people who used jpeg2000.

This part is an unfair dig. Jpeg2000 is widely used in some circles, is a standard, and is pegged as the replacement for "regular" jpegs. It's neither obscure, unique, nor is it just some random format created by another company AFAIK.
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5/20/10 at 12:26pm
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Originally Posted by Orlando View Post

Sony and others are going to build it into HDTVs and Blu-ray players. The reason it could succeed is suddenly people who don't know how to hook up a "bigger monitor or tv to any old computer" can use it. Just like the iPhone unlocked the mobile web for the masses this has the same potential for web TV.

The fact that Android will allow itself to be licenced and built into TV's will inevitably push Apple to make their own TV sets.

Apple to swallow Sony in 3, 2, 1 ...
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5/20/10 at 12:26pm
I'd buy that over the AppleTV. It sounds just like something I'd want. Make sense to me and I'm left wondering why Apple couldn't have done that (search, web browser, etc). Apple just wants to funnel everyone to iTunes for their content. I love Apple products but refuse to be tied to iTunes.
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5/20/10 at 12:31pm
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Originally Posted by DaveGee View Post

Assumption incorrect... I watched the animated video twice now and instead of LOTS of my questions being answered it answered none of them.

Ok, that's fine, I take back the assumption.

DISH mentioned that GoogleTV would allow you to search their content, as well as web content, and save it to their DVR. So while the GoogleTV box itself doesn't have DVR, the feature is supported. I can't imagine it would be drastically different for the cable company.

Again, while they didn't mention the HD resolution, I can't see them going any lower than 720p.

I don't see how you can't access Hulu via the browser. Hulu can't possibly block all Chrome browser access from their site in an effort to keep it off of GoogleTV. It not being optimized for the TV screen size is the only drawback I see at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Sasparilla View Post

The areas that this OS is going (and its rapidity), when you stand back and look at the big picture, is amazing.

[snip]

Is Android shaping up to be the MSDOS/Windows of the non PC computer market? It really seems like it. The more places it gets deployed on, the more attractive it becomes.

What are the implications for Apple if that is the case?

I have to agree that it certainly does look like Android is becoming the new Windows.

I personally am waiting for the day Google presses the big green button and all Android-powered devices take on their own life.
\Apple has always had competition. It's just been in its blind spot.
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\Apple has always had competition. It's just been in its blind spot.
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