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The US Department of Justice is looking into Apple's negotiating tactics with music labels related to sales and marketing within the iTunes Store.

According to report by Brad Stone published by the New York Times, DoJ staff members have started inquiries with music labels as part of a broad investigation of the online music market.

Stone cited "people briefed on the inquires," who said investigators have been particularly interested in allegations that Apple used its market power to seek to prevent the labels from participating in exclusive music distribution deals with rival Amazon.

Two months ago, Billboard reported that Amazon was seeking to obtain exclusive rights to sell new music a day earlier than everyone else, in exchange for special "MP3 Daily Deal" promotion of those songs on its website.

However, rather than focusing the investigation on Amazon leveraging its market power in online sales to gain exclusive distribution deals for music, the DoJ is reportedly looking at Apple for asking the labels to not participate in Amazon's promotion, and its refusing to provide marketing support for songs that were provided to Amazon first.

Apple's increasingly strong position in music

In music sales, Apple leads US online sales with 69 percent market share, according to NPD. Amazon is in second place with 8% share of online sales.

Among all music sales in the US, Apple has a first place position with 26.7% share, while Amazon claims 7% of total music sales. At the same time, Amazon also enjoys a leading 90% share of ebook sales, and a leading position in online book and merchandise sales, with 29 million customers.



The Times report pointed out that Apple created the first successful music marketplace in 2003, and "has since sold more than 10 billion songs, providing a significant source of revenue for the music industry," but that despite its role in persuading consumers to buy music rather than continuing to pirate it, "the music industry has chafed because Apple sets prices and controls the relationship to the music buyers."

It also noted that more recently, "Apple has encouraged new kinds of competition in the online music marketplace by allowing streaming music applications from companies like Pandora and Rhapsody onto Apple devices."

Investigating Apple's success

Apple is also among the tech companies being investigated by the DoJ over hiring practices that allegedly conspired to prevent competitors from hiring each other's employees. That investigation also involves Google, IBM and Intel.

Apple is also under investigation from the US Federal Trade Commission over new provisions of the iPhone SDK which limit developers from using tools other than those provided by the company. That inquiry was initiated by a complaint from Adobe Systems, which was thwarted from using its Flash Professional tools to generate iPhone apps for sale in Apple's iTunes App store.

The FTC was also investigating Apple's potential as a competitor to Google and AdMob in the emerging mobile ads market. It recently determined that Apple's market power in iPhone Apps was a factor in approving Google's bid to acquire AdMob.
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Hey, if they want to start an anti-trust investigation, start with Walmart. IMO, this is just another government-led shakedown.

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post #3 of 106
So a music wholesaler has four customers, and he offers a sweet deal to one of them, while refusing to extend the same deal to the others.

He is then seriously surprised to find out one of his customers is not supporting the marketing his products anymore?
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what bull$hit. apple builds a successful business (being one of the very few companies with self-imposed integrity), with the music execs fighting them every step of the way, and now theyre complaining that apple is too powerful? i cant believe morons like this are going to be in charge of our healthcare, thanks obama. seriously, who in their right mind votes for democrats? oh, right, only delusional crazies who cant tell the difference between emotion and logic

meanwhile, banks are given blank checks with no strings attached to sit on their ass and do nothing to kick start the economy. maybe apple needs to give obama 900k..
post #5 of 106
lolz. If this was Microsoft under exactly the same situation, people would be having a field day about how they deserved it. Strangely, using your market leading position to prevent innovation/competition from other companies is bad.

I just wish Amazon would get international stores working.
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post #6 of 106
They should be going after the RIAA mafia.
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This is a tough one. Any company in Apple's position (as the third most valuable company in the US) would be on the radar screen constantly.

Apple simply has to live with the fact that bigness -- and they are now humongous in many segments -- brings with it scrutiny that we (as Apple consumers and shareholders) are not used to. Indeed, scrutiny that Apple is not used to.

The company has to learn to live with it, and watch its every step, it's every action, its every statement. It has to start second-guessing itself constantly. That is the new reality.
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what bull$hit. apple builds a successful business (being one of the very few companies with self-imposed integrity), with the music execs fighting them every step of the way, and now theyre complaining that apple is too powerful? i cant believe morons like this are going to be in charge of our healthcare, thanks obama. seriously, who in their right mind votes for democrats? oh, right, only delusional crazies who cant tell the difference between emotion and logic

meanwhile, banks are given blank checks with no strings attached to sit on their ass and do nothing to kick start the economy. maybe apple needs to give obama 900k..

Congratulations on the most idiotic post of the month.
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This is a tough one. Any company in Apple's position (as the third most valuable company in the US) would be on the radar screen constantly.

Apple simply has to live with the fact that bigness -- and they are now humongous in many segments -- brings with it scrutiny that we (as Apple consumers and shareholders) are not used to. Indeed, scrutiny that Apple is not used to.

The company has to learn to live with it, and watch its every step, it's every action, its every statement. It has to start second-guessing itself constantly. That is the new reality.

Exactly. Companies have to be very careful how they behave in markets they dominate. Contrary to what some believe, this is not "punishment" for their success, it is simply the operation of the law.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

This is a tough one. Any company in Apple's position (as the third most valuable company in the US) would be on the radar screen constantly.

Apple simply has to live with the fact that bigness -- and they are now humongous in many segments -- brings with it scrutiny that we (as Apple consumers and shareholders) are not used to. Indeed, scrutiny that Apple is not used to.

The company has to learn to live with it, and watch its every step, it's every action, its every statement. It has to start second-guessing itself constantly. That is the new reality.

It doesn't matter how careful Apple is. They will get harassed until they pay like everyone else. Apple is not paying enough.
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However, rather than focusing the investigation on Amazon leveraging its market power in online sales to gain exclusive distribution deals for music, the DoJ is reportedly looking at Apple for asking the labels to not participate in Amazon's promotion, and its refusing to provide marketing support for songs that were provided to Amazon first.

It's not Apple's job to help the labels market their artists. That's what the label is supposedly doing to justify taking most of the profit from the sale of a product they had little creative contribution in.
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Congratulations on the most idiotic post of the month.

your welcome

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Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss View Post

Exactly. Companies have to be very careful how they behave in markets they dominate. Contrary to what some believe, this is not "punishment" for their success, it is simply the operation of the law.

Haveing 24% of the market is not a trust. Besides if you don't believe this administration wouldn't use the law to achieve it's political goals you are grossly out of touch.

It would be one thing if Apple had a hammer lock on digital music but they don't. Not even close. Apple has been successful yes but that has a lot to do with the competition not getting it. The laws purpose is to protect the dumb or out of Touch. In this regard Apple gas done nothing to deserve this investigation.


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lolz. If this was Microsoft under exactly the same situation, people would be having a field day about how they deserved it.

One has to know where one's loyalties are.

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post #15 of 106
I wonder what their angle is. Everyone I know buys from Amazon mp3.

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The US Department of Justice is looking into Apple's negotiating tactics with music labels related to sales and marketing within the iTunes Store.

According to report by Brad Stone published by the New York Times, DoJ staff members have started inquiries with music labels as part of a broad investigation of the online music market.

Stone cited "people briefed on the inquires," who said investigators have been particularly interested in allegations that Apple used its market power to seek to prevent the labels from participating in exclusive music distribution deals with rival Amazon.

Two months ago, Billboard reported that Amazon was seeking to obtain exclusive rights to sell new music a day earlier than everyone else, in exchange for special "MP3 Daily Deal" promotion of those songs on its website.

However, rather than focusing the investigation on Amazon leveraging its market power in online sales to gain exclusive distribution deals for music, the DoJ is reportedly looking at Apple for asking the labels to not participate in Amazon's promotion, and its refusing to provide marketing support for songs that were provided to Amazon first.

Apple's increasingly strong position in music

In music sales, Apple leads US online sales with 69 percent market share, according to NPD. Amazon is in second place with 8% share of online sales.

Among all music sales in the US, Apple has a first place position with 26.7% share, while Amazon claims 7% of total music sales. At the same time, Amazon also enjoys a leading 90% share of ebook sales, and a leading position in online book and merchandise sales, with 29 million customers.



The Times report pointed out that Apple created the first successful music marketplace in 2003, and "has since sold more than 10 billion songs, providing a significant source of revenue for the music industry," but that despite its role in persuading consumers to buy music rather than continuing to pirate it, "the music industry has chafed because Apple sets prices and controls the relationship to the music buyers."

It also noted that more recently, "Apple has encouraged new kinds of competition in the online music marketplace by allowing streaming music applications from companies like Pandora and Rhapsody onto Apple devices."

Investigating Apple's success

Apple is also among the tech companies being investigated by the DoJ over hiring practices that allegedly conspired to prevent competitors from hiring each other's employees. That investigation also involves Google, IBM and Intel.

Apple is also under investigation from the US Federal Trade Commission over new provisions of the iPhone SDK which limit developers from using tools other than those provided by the company. That inquiry was initiated by a complaint from Adobe Systems, which was thwarted from using its Flash Professional tools to generate iPhone apps for sale in Apple's iTunes App store.

The FTC was also investigating Apple's potential as a competitor to Google and AdMob in the emerging mobile ads market. It recently determined that Apple's market power in iPhone Apps was a factor in approving Google's bid to acquire AdMob.
post #16 of 106
Lawsuits and government investigations, and we pay for it all either through higher taxes or higher prices. It all sucks.
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what bull$hit. apple builds a successful business (being one of the very few companies with self-imposed integrity), with the music execs fighting them every step of the way, and now theyre complaining that apple is too powerful? i cant believe morons like this are going to be in charge of our healthcare, thanks obama. seriously, who in their right mind votes for democrats? oh, right, only delusional crazies who cant tell the difference between emotion and logic

meanwhile, banks are given blank checks with no strings attached to sit on their ass and do nothing to kick start the economy. maybe apple needs to give obama 900k..

Obviously you were asleep when Bush was handing out the bailout checks.

Also, the reason Apple is focused on by the DoJ is because of the large share of Apple controlled music sales. The labels don't want that, just as much as Apple's competition. Music execs believe that if Apple didn't have a stranglehold on them, they could charge more for their music and increase their profit margin. Which, as a Republican, I'm surprised you're not supporting.
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Obviously you were asleep when Bush was handing out the bailout checks.

Also, the reason Apple is focused on by the DoJ is because of the large share of Apple controlled music sales. The labels don't want that, just as much as Apple's competition. Music execs believe that if Apple didn't have a stranglehold on them, they could charge more for their music and increase their profit margin. Which, as a Republican, I'm surprised you're not supporting.

25% is hardly a monopoly, and of course the labels don't want that, they're clearly a cooperating oligopoly (who i'm guessing does a lot more lobbying than apple). and i don't give a crap what bush did, it doesn't make it better when obama does it, repeatedly, after it's proven not to work over and over. not to mention the fact that obama "mr. transparency" is a complete hypocrite. how gullible are you? orwell tried to warn you.. obama is just another pig, and the writing on the barn wall keeps changing. keep baaing.. and give the gov more power, they clearly deserve it, just ask them.


edit: continuing off topic rant, apologies in advance: dems/libs seem to have a delusional propensity for splitting. they are the robin hoods, and anybody with success (except for them cause they're the good guys) is the evil, dirty sheriff of nottingham. if you want to help, allow people to be self-autonomous, without needing the governments help, and give to CHARITY where your money is well spent instead of going towards some idiot bureaucrat's six figure pension when he retires at age 50.
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Apple should j
threaten to relocate to the Caymans or another Tax haven to avoid paying any taxation in the US and tell the government to go f*ck themselves.
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lolz. If this was Microsoft under exactly the same situation, people would be having a field day about how they deserved it. Strangely, using your market leading position to prevent innovation/competition from other companies is bad.

I just wish Amazon would get international stores working.

You may know more than me, but how is this the equvialent of MS who controlled almost 95% of all PC's at one time and use that weight to keep a browser and PC monopoly?

What Apple seems to be accused of here is nothing more than standard business tactics. The idea of them setting a price is hilarious considering the RIAA wanted higher prices per song.
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25% is hardly a monopoly,

edit: continuing off topic rant, apologies in advance: dems/libs seem to have a delusional propensity for splitting. they are the robin hoods, and anybody with success (except for them cause they're the good guys) is the evil, dirty sheriff of nottingham. if you want to help, allow people to be self-autonomous, without needing the governments help, and give to CHARITY where your money is well spent instead of going towards some idiot bureaucrat's six figure pension when he retires at age 50.

This is not about total music sales. Apple has 70% of all revenue of all online music sales. That is bordering on monopoly status just like Google is with search and online ad revenues. It is even worse with Google because they seem to abusing that monopoly status.

Why bring politics to this? Are your political leanings so heavy that you can't manage to bring any sort objectivity into this matter. You're embarrasing yourself. You mention Robin Hood. Do you feel the same about Medicaid & Social Security?

I'm wondering if you're one of those souherns who chanted "Drill, baby, Drill". If so, then you got what you deserved. Instead of thinking about just your immediate self-interests you should get some knowledge about what's really going on and find out who's been destroying your way of life.

Hint: It's both parties but moreso Republicans. If you bring politics into this, you had better know what you're talking about.
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So a music wholesaler has four customers, and he offers a sweet deal to one of them, while refusing to extend the same deal to the others.

He is then seriously surprised to find out one of his customers is not supporting the marketing his products anymore?

Yep. Apple can sell what they want and offer the sweet spots to whom they want, just like all stores. You can bet the local Borders isn't going to offer "Kill all those homo Jews" a space on their front door table no matter how much the publisher is willing to pay (probably won't care it either).

If anything, Amazon is the guilty party because they probably leveraged their dominance in the overall online market to get the labels to agree to make an exception to the 'street date' rules. and remember those rules are online and BrickMortar stores.

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This is not about total music sales. Apple has 70% of all revenue of all online sales.

how about a source for that fact.

Also, a naturally occurring monopoly is NOT illegal. It is only when one gets there through negative means or uses that power to try to gain in a totally different market that there is an issue. This is what happened with Microsoft in the 90s. they had a strong, natural monopoly in the Personal Computer OS realm and tried to gain in the Web browser realm by forcing OEM licensees to only install IE and not anyone else's software or they couldn't have Windows. ANd then made it worse by cutting off access to needed OS details and threatening lawsuits on anyone that reverse engineered for the info.
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The music industry never wanted single song downloads to proliferate. They want to sell whole CD's! That is their old and tired and profitable business model. Apple's cut of the cost of each song is just too much.

Besides, why do people mindlessly buy from Apple anyway? I read a recent survey that concluded that Apple's prices were higher than the competition for a select sampling of songs. Buy Amazon!
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how about a source for that fact. Does it really surprise you that itunes has 70% of all online music sales with the iPod considering that Apple controls 70% of the mp3 market, especially those who still have DRM'ed music?

Also, a naturally occurring monopoly is NOT illegal. It is only when one gets there through negative means or uses that power to try to gain in a totally different market that there is an issue. This is what happened with Microsoft in the 90s. they had a strong, natural monopoly in the Personal Computer OS realm and tried to gain in the Web browser realm by forcing OEM licensees to only install IE and not anyone else's software or they couldn't have Windows. ANd then made it worse by cutting off access to needed OS details and threatening lawsuits on anyone that reverse engineered for the info.

How about a source? Read the NYT blog article by Brad Stone that was mentioned in the article.

Like I said, a monopoly is not illegal. The abuse of one is. If you read the article and the articles in the past few days regarding Google, you'd see that Apple hasn't done anything wrong except ask for equality from the record labels. Google, however, had been "de-ranking" search results in favor of their own product and doing things like banning Anon sites while taking ad revenues from the church of Scientology to restore search results which benefits Google.
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You may know more than me, but how is this the equvialent of MS who controlled almost 95% of all PC's at one time and use that weight to keep a browser and PC monopoly?

What Apple seems to be accused of here is nothing more than standard business tactics. The idea of them setting a price is hilarious considering the RIAA wanted higher prices per song.

Sigh... perhaps reading would be a better option than replying?
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Besides, why do people mindlessly buy from Apple anyway? I read a recent survey that concluded that Apple's prices were higher than the competition for a select sampling of songs. Buy Amazon!

Seriously? Give me a break.

No one "mindlessly" buys from Apple. We do it because it is easy, convenient, seamless, and price competitive. Additionally, all Apple files are in the higher quality AAC format. I have bought from Amazon as well (though usually when I have free credit, or a song is free). The experience is not as seamless, and I am sorry, but the price is NOT always cheaper. Amazon doesn't charge .99 for every song anymore.
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Sigh... perhaps reading would be a better option than replying?

Wow, that's some serious irony. Maybe you should re-read your own post. There is nothing illegal in a "monopoly" asking for equality. The threat, referred to in the article, was iTunes removing that artist off the iTunes front page headlines. Declining a headline does not equal a monopoly.
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This is not about total music sales. Apple has 70% of all revenue of all online music sales. That is bordering on monopoly status just like Google is with search and online ad revenues. It is even worse with Google because they seem to abusing that monopoly status.

Why bring politics to this? Are your political leanings so heavy that you can't manage to bring any sort objectivity into this matter. You're embarrasing yourself. You mention Robin Hood. Do you feel the same about Medicaid & Social Security?

I'm wondering if you're one of those souherns who chanted "Drill, baby, Drill". If so, then you got what you deserved. Instead of thinking about just your immediate self-interests you should get some knowledge about what's really going on and find out who's been destroying your way of life.

Hint: It's both parties but moreso Republicans. If you bring politics into this, you had better know what you're talking about.

70% or revenue? i'd like to see a source as well. and again, this seems to be much more due to lobbying than a real concern over apple's "abusive monopoly" of music sales. and if you must know, i feel exactly the same about medicaid and social security. they are complete disasters (i work in the medical field). however, although some sort of safety net is a necessary evil, it is a FAR cry from the kind of control obama is exerting on so much of the economy. i am not a southerner, nor am i a fan of republicans, just someone with a little common sense. and it's actually hilarious that you say people who want independence from foreign sources of energy deserve the oil spill when obama was the biggest recipient of money from BP and is doing NOTHING about the spill except whining like a _____. and thanks for your concern, but i know exactly what i am talking about thankyouverymuch.
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Haveing 24% of the market is not a trust. Besides if you don't believe this administration wouldn't use the law to achieve it's political goals you are grossly out of touch.

It would be one thing if Apple had a hammer lock on digital music but they don't. Not even close. Apple has been successful yes but that has a lot to do with the competition not getting it. The laws purpose is to protect the dumb or out of Touch. In this regard Apple gas done nothing to deserve this investigation.


Dave

Uh-oh, I've been whacked by a stick of political baloney. Smells bad.

According to the article at the top of this thread, Apple has a 69% share of the online music market. Whether this is considered a "trust" or not is irrelevant, it is potentially a source of market power in a definable market. Whether in your mind Apple does or does not "deserve" to be investigated is also irrelevant. These investigations are typically instigated on a complaint basis. The vast majority of the time, they result in no action.
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Sigh... perhaps reading would be a better option than replying?

Is that all you got? The main threat from Apple was that they would remove the artist off the main headlines on iTunes. Maybe you didn't read it. This does not equal a monopoly. All Apple asked for was equal treatment.
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70% or revenue? i'd like to see a source as well. and again, this seems to be much more due to lobbying than a real concern over apple's "abusive monopoly" of music sales. and if you must know, i feel exactly the same about medicaid and social security. they are complete disasters (i work in the medical field). however, although some sort of safety net is a necessary evil, it is a FAR cry from the kind of control obama is exerting on so much of the economy. i am not a southerner, nor am i a fan of republicans, just someone with a little common sense. and it's actually hilarious that you say people who want independence from foreign sources of energy deserve the oil spill when obama was the biggest recipient of money from BP and is doing NOTHING about the spill except whining like a _____. and thanks for your concern, but i know exactly what i am talking about thankyouverymuch.

Again read the actual article itself instead of just replying. Apple control ~70% of all online music sales revenues. Exactly how do you think they passed Walmart in total US music sales when CDs are still abundant?

BTW, if you feel the sale way about SS and Medicaid, then your parents would have ended up broke (if you're a baby boomer onwards) and the Great Depression would have lasted for another 30 years which would have affted even WWII. If you don't know why FDR was considered so great, then you're missing the point.

The secret to greatness of any system is not capitalism nor socialism but what exists in-between. If you haven't leaned that from the Wall Street crisis then you are naive. I don't mean to offend you.

Most times, taking the middle road is the best path.
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Is that all you got? The main threat from Apple was that they would remove the artist off the main headlines on iTunes. Maybe you didn't read it. This does not equal a monopoly. All Apple asked for was equal treatment.

Always a lot of confusion over the basic concepts when it comes to antitrust. It's not about monopoly, a state which rarely exists. If Apple has market power in a defined market (not a proven fact, but possible), and if they use that market power to disadvantage competitors (also not proven, but possible), then they may have violated the antitrust laws. In this case, if it can be shown that they have penalized a record label for dealing with a competitor then they might be in for a hearty hand-slap and a stern warning not to do it again. Again, if, if, if.
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Again read the actual article itself instead of just replying. Apple control ~70% of all online music sales revenues. Exactly how do you think they passed Walmart in total US music sales when CDs are still abundant?

BTW, if you feel the sale way about SS and Medicaid, then your parents would have ended up broke (if you're a baby boomer onwards) and the Great Depression would have lasted for another 30 years which would have affted even WWII. If you don't know why FDR was considered so great, then you're missing the point.

The secret to greatness of any system is not capitalism nor socialism but what exists in-between. If you haven't leaned that from the Wall Street crisis then you are naive. I don't mean to offend you.

Most times, taking the middle road is the best path.

no offense taken, looks like we actually agree more than we disagree
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Apple control ~70% of all online music sales revenues. Exactly how do you think they passed Walmart in total US music sales when CDs are still abundant?

By offering a great service at a great price. Is there any other way?

Here you go:

iTunes passes Wal-Mart as top U.S. music retailer

Note that that milestone occurred over two years ago...
post #35 of 106
What a bunch of Jags. Ignore CitiBank, Ignore AI-friggin G and go after a friggin Music Store, that has delivered product to consumers for less money than the good old boy network in Hollywood. These pension driven frigtards should be investigated for their over the top incompetence, waste of taxpayer dollars and amazing ability to I-FRIG-NORE THE REAL MONOPOLIES IN THE BANKING, UNION AND OTHER sectors of our economy. My guess, they are tired of watching Porn at the office and decided to try for a meet up with Jobs.
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There are so many problems with big businesses, and Apple is not one of them. Everyone associated with Apple is making good money, not just a few insiders, they are working on being eco-friendly, make great products. And they actually make stuff that employs people, they are creative etc.

Then you have the banks, the oil companies both of which I think are highly problematic in so many ways, too much to discuss here.

Then there is Google a nightmare of invasion of privacy happening, but the sh!t has yet to hit the fan, and Amazon is no lap dog either, nor is the music industry itself - their history of all sorts of corpses of exploitation and drug addictions on the side of their roads travelled.

Why the Fk investigating Apple, wasting our tax dollars big time. The government should be in crisis mode trying to solve that brewing international ecological assault massively growing out of control in the Gulf. The distractions of investigating reasonably 'good citizen companies' is just ludicrous.

What the ~

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What a bunch of Jags. Ignore CitiBank, Ignore AI-friggin G and go after a friggin Music Store, that has delivered product to consumers for less money than the good old boy network in Hollywood. These pension driven frigtards should be investigated for their over the top incompetence, waste of taxpayer dollars and amazing ability to I-FRIG-NORE THE REAL MONOPOLIES IN THE BANKING, UNION AND OTHER sectors of our economy. My guess, they are tired of watching Porn at the office and decided to try for a meet up with Jobs.

funny

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By offering a great service at a great price. Is there any other way?

Here you go:

iTunes passes Wal-Mart as top U.S. music retailer

Note that that milestone occurred over two years ago...

I don't mean offense but this is not the point. I don't think that Apple has a monopolistic behavior. They do, however, have a monopoly over online music. This is important. Itay be the difference between getting into a lawsuit like MS. iTunes has to actually prevent competition.
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You can explain things but some people will never pay any attention, their personal prejudices being so much more emotionally satisfying.
Please don't be insane.
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Please don't be insane.
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Originally Posted by str1f3 View Post

. If you bring politics into this, you had better know what you're talking about.

You might want to do the same.
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