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Microsoft's Steve Ballmer rumored to present at Apple's WWDC 2010

post #1 of 165
5/27/10 at 4:43am
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Steve Ballmer, the chief executive of Microsoft, could play a part in rival Apple's keynote presentation at the annual Worldwide Developers Conference, according to a new rumor.

As reported by Barron's, analyst Trip Chowdhry with Global Equities research said that a total of 7 minutes of Steve Jobs' June 7 keynote have been reserved for a presentation from Microsoft. The Redmond, Wash., software giant will reportedly be showing off Visual Studio 2010, the company's suite of development tools.

Chowdhry reportedly believes that the presentation could be given by Ballmer, Microsoft's CEO and fierce rival. If not, a possible second option for the allegedly planned presentation would be Bob Muglia, head of Microsoft's server and tools business.

According to Chowdhry, the new version of Visual Studio will allow developers to write native applications for Apple's iPhone OS, which includes the iPhone, iPod touch and iPad. Developers will also allegedly be able to write software for the Mac OS X operating system with Visual Studio 2010.

An appearance by Ballmer would certainly be a surprise at WWDC -- an event that at least one analyst believes will be lacking in surprises due to a number of high-profile leaks that are believed to have shown off the hardware of Apple's next-generation iPhone.
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post #2 of 165
5/27/10 at 4:56am
Maybe Apple is buying some M$ stock to help them and he is showing up to say thanks
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post #3 of 165
5/27/10 at 5:06am
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Maybe Apple is buying some M$ stock to help them and he is showing up to say thanks

MSFT stock is remotely worth it only if I can reasonably speculate that they are going to split it up (i.e., take out the Windows and Office segments and spin them off as separate utilities.... er..... companies!).
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post #4 of 165
5/27/10 at 5:07am
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Maybe Apple is buying some M$ stock to help them and he is showing up to say thanks

Now AAPL is valued higher than MS you have to write

"Maybe App£e is buying some MS stock to help them..."
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post #5 of 165
5/27/10 at 5:09am
O M G we're not going to see APPLESOFT!

What are they doing?

Maybe they're going to 'do' over Google together?

Or just maybe I had one or three many brews tonite chicknmjjjkiiiilgder
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post #6 of 165
5/27/10 at 5:10am
Out with Google search. In with Bing?
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post #7 of 165
5/27/10 at 5:10am
Would be funny if the title didn't have the word _at_ in it!

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post #8 of 165
5/27/10 at 5:10am
Well, after using iWork on iPad... if Steve Ballmer is here to show how great the Office Web works on mobile Safari and a pre release version of Office for iPad THEN it will be quite a big news to me!
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post #9 of 165
5/27/10 at 5:14am
Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers!

How is MS going to sell Visual Studio 2010 to Mac developers when Apple give them Xcode for free? People buy bottled water, so maybe there's hope.
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post #10 of 165
5/27/10 at 5:15am
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According to Chowdhry, the new version of Visual Studio will allow developers to write native applications for Apple's iPhone OS, which includes the iPhone, iPod touch and iPad. Developers will also allegedly be able to write software for the Mac OS X operating system with Visual Studio 2010.

This would be a terribly short sighted deal for Apple. Apple should keep Microsoft as far away as possible. Only bad things happen when Microsoft gets close in, just look at Apples's history of close deals with Microsoft.
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post #11 of 165
5/27/10 at 5:18am
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now aapl is valued higher than ms you have to write

"maybe app£e is buying some ms stock to help them..."

ok

I never used M$ as an insult to be honest just too lazy to type Microsoft and but app£e is no shorter - I should just use 
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post #12 of 165
5/27/10 at 5:19am
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Out with Google search. In with Bing?

That maybe the answer. Personally I far rather see SJ announce Apple's own iSearch.
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post #13 of 165
5/27/10 at 5:20am
This doesn't make any sense. Microsoft tools use a completely different runtime. Apple just made the no 3rd party runtimes rule. Apple has been putting a lot of work in to their development tools the last few years. Microsoft's tools wouldn't bring anything new. The only thing that makes any sense would be .net coming to the Mac as an alternative to Java (with some of the same user experience problems as Java), but I don't think that Apple would encourage this. Maybe it uses scripting bridge? I could see that I suppose. It's not going to run on the iPad/iPhone in that case though.

There is one notable thing here though. The reference implementation (without the user interface stuff) of .net from Microsoft Research does compile on the Mac. They targeted the Mac to prove that it was cross platform capable like Java. It wasn't heavily optimized for the Mac though.
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post #14 of 165
5/27/10 at 5:21am
Now this could be amusing!

Get on that stage and dance for us monkey man.
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post #15 of 165
5/27/10 at 5:21am
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This would be a terribly short sighted deal for Apple. Apple should keep Microsoft as far away as possible. Only bad things happen when Microsoft gets close in, just look at Apples's history of close deals with Microsoft.

I could not agree more! Hopefully this is just a rumor and not true.
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post #16 of 165
5/27/10 at 5:23am
Better the devil you know, even at the worst moment, Microsoft still kept developing for Apple. There is some history between the 2 companies. Microsoft desperately needs the mojo that Apple has, and Apple could kill the pig with Microsoft's domination of corporate IT.

Apple need a partner, and they need a big one.

Daniel.
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post #17 of 165
5/27/10 at 5:23am
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

Steve Ballmer, the chief executive of Microsoft, could play a part in rival Apple's keynote presentation at the annual Worldwide Developers Conference

Okay, so now I am going to make flavored popcorn to watch the WWDC Keynote, extra special treat.
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post #18 of 165
5/27/10 at 5:25am
This whole thing is a bad rumor. Apple isn't hurting for developers by a long shot, and right now all developers need to buy a Mac. As usual, garbage from an "analyst".
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post #19 of 165
5/27/10 at 5:28am
Anyone willing to give me their WWDC ticket, I will get up and chant

"Monkey Dance, Monkey Dance!"

"We want the Monkey Dance!"

It will be a riot!
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post #20 of 165
5/27/10 at 5:28am
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This doesn't make any sense. Apple just made the no 3rd party runtimes rule.

You sort of stole my thunder. I'm no Flash apologist, but didn't Apple just tell Adobe that their developers can't use Flash to create iPhone apps? And now you're going to let Microsquish developer in to the party? How can that be any better than Flash developers? Yes 50% of crashes come from Flash on a Mac, the other 50% come from M$...
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post #21 of 165
5/27/10 at 5:29am
I guess June 7 will be THE DAY HELL FINALLY FREEZES OVER...
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post #22 of 165
5/27/10 at 5:30am
I remember Bill Gates doing a double act with Steve Jobs at an Apple spectacular, around the time that Steve had somehow persuaded him to put some money into Apple. I also remember Steve saying something like "People have got to realise that it's not necessary for Microsoft to fail in order for Apple to succeed." Very true, though a lot of people didn't see it like that at the time.
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post #23 of 165
5/27/10 at 5:34am
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MSFT stock is remotely worth it only if I can reasonably speculate that they are going to split it up (i.e., take out the Windows and Office segments and spin them off as separate utilities.... er..... companies!).

There are few things MS could do to destroy the value of the firm faster than to split the Office and Windows businesses. The two units drive each others sales and have mutually preserved the monopoly possition. I can see Apple fans wanting a breakup, but a MS shareholder? If you would pay more after a split I have a lot of other investments for you. Swampland in Florida, a bridg in NY, you get the picture!
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post #24 of 165
5/27/10 at 5:43am
Apple encouraging .Net on the mac would be among the stupidest possible things ever. Fragmention of the user experience is the only thing that could possibly happen. Linux anyone? Cocoa is a great framework.

As for a Visual Studio for iPhone OS...maybe but I just dont get it. Maybe Microsoft could make a IDE that is up to par with XCode and its tool suite on the mac but even that is unlikely. Also, do you know what they charge for VS with all the instruments and tools ?!?!? $10k. Thats quite a step up from free, when free gives you everything I can think you could generally want as a developer.

My bet is they demo Office for iPhone OS. But even that would be a big "meh" imo.
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post #25 of 165
5/27/10 at 5:55am
RTFA it's so that people with Windows can develop for iPhone.
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Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers!

How is MS going to sell Visual Studio 2010 to Mac developers when Apple give them Xcode for free? People buy bottled water, so maybe there's hope.
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post #26 of 165
5/27/10 at 5:57am
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Originally Posted by SpotOn View Post

Anyone willing to give me their WWDC ticket, I will get up and chant

"Monkey Dance, Monkey Dance!"

"We want the Monkey Dance!"

It will be a riot!

Thanks! I've never laughed so hard in a public place, and was nearly dragged away by the crazy police.

Personally I'd like to be there to see the change over from SJ to SB, the slides change from Keynote to Powerpoint, swiftly followed by blue screen of death ... and laughter. Lots of laughter.
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post #27 of 165
5/27/10 at 5:57am
That's just a ignorant statement. So ignorant, I dont even know how to reply. I'll just say idiot and move on.
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This whole thing is a bad rumor. Apple isn't hurting for developers by a long shot, and right now all developers need to buy a Mac. As usual, garbage from an "analyst".
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post #28 of 165
5/27/10 at 5:57am
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Apple encouraging .Net on the mac would be among the stupidest possible things ever. Fragmention of the user experience is the only thing that could possibly happen. Linux anyone? Cocoa is a great framework.

As for a Visual Studio for iPhone OS...maybe but I just dont get it. Maybe Microsoft could make a IDE that is up to par with XCode and its tool suite on the mac but even that is unlikely. Also, do you know what they charge for VS with all the instruments and tools ?!?!? $10k. Thats quite a step up from free, when free gives you everything I can think you could generally want as a developer.

My bet is they demo Office for iPhone OS. But even that would be a big "meh" imo.

Windows anyone? Windows is nearly as fragmented as Linux. .net, mfc, and many third party frameworks.

If this happens it will be with the script bridge so that the user interface is still made with Cocoa and Interface Builder. I'm not sure how they would target the iPhone/iPad with decent performance though. I could see Microsoft wanting to do this to make it easier for developers to target their mobile platform. Maybe XNA for the iPhone?

Whatever happens, there is no way Microsoft native UI is coming. At best this will just be a way to take some of the work out of porting a .net app.
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post #29 of 165
5/27/10 at 5:58am
Steve did say we'd be "Wow'd"! So for all the sight gaggers out there...


WOW!
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post #30 of 165
5/27/10 at 5:59am
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That's just a ignorant statement. So ignorant, I dont even know how to reply. I'll just say idiot and move on.

That's just a troll statement. So troll, I dont even know how to reply. I'll just say troll and move on.
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post #31 of 165
5/27/10 at 6:00am
If this is true, it's HUGE, and the implications will take a while to sort out. This would involve risk for both companies, but also opportunities. I have a hunch this is true. I've been thinking for a while that while Apple is dissing Flash, they might very well be preparing to allow Silverlight. Unlike Flash, which is just a buggy ad-delivery device, Silverlight (and MS development tools) are used by corporations for internal application development. If those applications could run seamlessly on iDevices it would open a big door for Apple into business.

The question, really, is why MS would do this. I think the answer comes in two parts. First, I'm sure this would be part of a bigger deal in which Apple makes Bing the default search engine on all of their devices (and maybe more than that). But second, MS probably sees Google as a far bigger long term threat than Apple, and they are willing to do anything they can to crush Google, even if that means helping Apple. My guess is that MS's plan is to first crush Google, and then later compete with Apple. Meanwhile, Apple's plan is to first crush Google, and later compete with MS.

edit --- and one other thought -- if this rumor is true, it's evidence that Google f****d up bad with their Android strategy. In one fail swoop they managed to turn their biggest ally into their biggest enemy's biggest ally. MS+Apple vs Google means Google loses.
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post #32 of 165
5/27/10 at 6:07am
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Originally Posted by Rot'nApple View Post

Steve did say we'd be "Wow'd"! So for all the sight gaggers out there...


WOW!
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When did Jobs say that? I've only heard that from Ballmer.
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post #33 of 165
5/27/10 at 6:08am
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Originally Posted by SpotOn View Post

Anyone willing to give me their WWDC ticket, I will get up and chant

"Monkey Dance, Monkey Dance!"

"We want the Monkey Dance!"

It will be a riot!

LOL come on monkey, do your thang!
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post #34 of 165
5/27/10 at 6:12am
Just over 3 years ago, SB was ridiculing the as yet unlaunched iPhone; its price and how few of them would sell. MS had a market cap of 2-5 times that of apple and 98% of the OSs on the planet

Fast forward. 100 million iphones/iTouches sold; MS is stumbling badly in the smartphone market, they now have 95% of the OS

Someone suggested that apple needs MS to go into enterprise.

Apple has done pretty well by starting with a blank page. When they decide to pursue enterprise, I doubt they'll waste their time rewriting someone else's software, but build their own

Can't SB see the irony of going to Apple with hat in hand?
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post #35 of 165
5/27/10 at 6:12am
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Originally Posted by macFanDave View Post

Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers!

How is MS going to sell Visual Studio 2010 to Mac developers when Apple give them Xcode for free? People buy bottled water, so maybe there's hope.

The key, if this is true, would be MS selling to Windows developers. They already have dev machines which they would install VS2010 on. This would allow them to not have to also buy a Mac to do Mac/iPhone development.

Upside for Apple? Not really sure.

I posted this in another thread, but will paste it here:

Beyond the huge shock this would be, it would also fly in the face of one of Jobs arguments against Flash. The stated concern, which I agree with, was that third party IDE's could not be counted on to keep up with advancements to the API and so devs using those environments wouldn't be able to take advantage of the newest enhancements. This was stated as being the most important reason for the prohibition of Flash. So, is MS expected to be more reliable in keeping up with developments of the platforms? Apple doesn't want to, and shouldn't, allow their success to be dependent on other companies, as it was with Office and CodeWarrior. While this would open the doors to many new developers, it seems counter to their recent position.
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This becomes even worse if the third party is supplying a cross platform development tool. The third party may not adopt enhancements from one platform unless they are available on all of their supported platforms. Hence developers only have access to the lowest common denominator set of features. Again, we cannot accept an outcome where developers are blocked from using our innovations and enhancements because they are not available on our competitors platforms.
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post #36 of 165
5/27/10 at 6:12am
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Thanks! I've never laughed so hard in a public place, and was nearly dragged away by the crazy police.

Personally I'd like to be there to see the change over from SJ to SB, the slides change from Keynote to Powerpoint, swiftly followed by blue screen of death ... and laughter. Lots of laughter.

Another laugh I had this morning was MacRumors site used a flattering picture of MonkeyBoy to head up the same article there. I have never seen one before, perhaps it was Photoshopped?

I heard a rumor that Ballmer is resigning from M$ soon to publish a tell all book entitled "How to lose 300 Billion $ + and not get fired"
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post #37 of 165
5/27/10 at 6:14am
Meh. It's amazing how business makes for strange bedfellows. Not so long ago Apple was in love with Google. Now the jilted lover is going back to the hated and despised old ex. Tech soap operas are so much more fun than the kind my girlfriend watches!
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post #38 of 165
5/27/10 at 6:18am
This is so unreal! And very cool in a weird sort of way.
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post #39 of 165
5/27/10 at 6:19am
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My bet is they demo Office for iPhone OS. But even that would be a big "meh" imo.

Why? That would make the iPad a whole lot more useful to us regular folk who don't live 100% in the Apple ecosystem.
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post #40 of 165
5/27/10 at 6:24am
Steve Ballmer comes out on stage.
Looks at Steve Jobs.
Ballmer gets on his hands and knees.
Ballmer says, "You win God." while looking directly at Jobs.
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