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In 2007, Steve Jobs set a big goal for Apple in launching the iPhone: 10 million phones sold in 2008. Microsoft is now setting the goal of selling 30 million Windows Phone 7 devices by the end of 2011.

Microsoft's bold goal, as reported by MobileTech World, was presented at a ReMIX event in France.

According to Gartner, Microsoft sold just 16.5 million Windows Mobile phones in 2008, the same year Apple exceeded its original goal with 11.4 million iPhones. Microsoft's Steve Ballmer claimed sales of 20 million for 2008 on stage at CES 2009.

Since then however, Apple has dramatically increased its smartphone business while Microsoft's has shrunk significantly. In the first calendar quarter of 2010, Apple sold 8.8 million iPhones while Microsoft only sold 3.7 million licenses for Windows Mobile.

Windows Phone 7, the incompatible new successor to Windows Mobile 6.x, won't arrive until the end of the year, meaning the company will only have four quarters to attain its 30 million unit goal before the end of 2011.

It will need to immediately outsell the iPhone and Google's Android and continue doing so all year as a brand new platform with no real installed base of users, no library of apps, just two retail stores, and an instantaneous global launch.

Apple has reported total sales of 51.2 million iPhones through March 2010. Combined with the iPod touch, the company has sold 85 million devices through the first quarter
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Laughing out loud.
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without drinking too much haterade here, i'm guessing they'll fall short.

does anyone know of any "cool" devices that are supposed to debut with Windows phone 7? iPhone + cool android phones + RIM will do enough to keep a ton of purchases away from MSFT.

or am i being unreasonable?
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Wish in one hand and crap in the other ....... see which one fills up first. You have to wonder what's in the water in Redmond Washington.
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They can always just give the phones away. Not like it would be the first time that they throw money down a hole just to prop up reported unit sales figures.
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No elfin' way

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They can always just give the phones away. Not like it would be the first time that they throw money down a hole just to prop up reported unit sales figures.

If they paid people $100 to take their phone, I don't think they'd make their target.
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post #8 of 157
It's always great to set goals I suppose.

Unfortunately, you can't compare the two launches.

Apple iPhone OS available on the Apple iPhone with one service provider in one country at initial launch.

Windows Mobile 7 available on how many phones with how many service providers in how many countries at launch?

If they don't sell 30 million phones in a year, I would call it an epic fail.
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With all the vocal blunders Microsoft has made in the past, they are setting themselves up for failure by proclaiming their goal.

Of course, regardless of how many units they give - er... "sell", when the final number is below their expectations, they will already have some kind of verbal marketing script already in place that will explain how "happy" they are with their initial launch.

Has anyone heard how their "amazing" Microsoft Stores are doing?
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My apologies all, just coughed up my coffee and bagel, excuse me.


Back to the subject;

Yep, MS is gonna sell all their phones at the (new) Microsoft Retail Store (it is only one store, right?)

Where is that store BTW?
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post #11 of 157
But does it have a keyboard? Inquiring minds want to know!

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But does it have a keyboard? Inquiring minds want to know!

At least one. And a stylus.
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Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

*breathes*

Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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I can say this: I really like windows mobile up to about 6.5 for many reasons. I'm running 6.1 on my TP2 right now and I'm happy with it.

I will NOT be buying a "Windows Phone 7." Not only is the name retarded (were there 6 other windows phones? no) but they are leaving out SO much stuff that I gave up an iphone for a while back.

What's funny is, I'm honestly considering an iPhone 4g based on what I've seen, and also for the fact that AT&T is the only carrier that anyone can get any service with in our building at work lol.

But seriously. WP7 isn't gonna be the first choice of many die hard WM "power users."
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Microsoft will sell 30 million phones? Which phone? Or do you mean licenses? Who wants to pay for licenses when Google is giving it away for free?

Apple is smoking hot. Blackberry is running as fast as it can handle and giving away free phones too! Nokia is struggling and suing every body and their grandma! Oh, and Samsung is out with its own phone software. Well, that left no one company who wants to pay Microsoft for the technology of of 1990s.

Unless they are going to give 99% of the 30million away for free. Then some people may want to give it a try, and screw up their credit for not keeping the junk for 2yrs.

What a big joke!

MICROSOFT will sell 30 millions phones? And John McCain will be the next president of the United States! Yeah right.
post #16 of 157
I read about this in The Onion.
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If monkey boy jumps around the stage with his sweaty underarms I'll buy one.
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Originally Posted by malax View Post

At least one. And a stylus.

Don't forget the mandatory "Bing" button.. it is the killer button/feature
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Originally Posted by OC4Theo View Post

Microsoft will sell 30 million phones? Which phone? Or do you mean licenses? Who wants to pay for licenses when Google is giving it away for free?

That is my question too. Unless they give it for free to manufacturers, they'll never get enough models' support to reach that sales figure. And with iPhone 4G (and then 5G + multiple carriers in 2011) competition... poor delusional M$FT
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post #21 of 157
Ballmer thinks they'll do that without multitasking, when every other major smartphone platform has it???

Well, MS does have a lot of its own fanbois.
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If they paid people $100 to take their phone, I don't think they'd make their target.

I am not sure that they could GIVE AWAY that many phones (who would want them when compared to Android and iPhone??)!!!
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Originally Posted by malax View Post

At least one. And a stylus.

oh, well, if there is a stylus, then YES....this will indeed be a desired item for 30 million people!
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They are feeling way too safe about their business. Better concentrate on the core. Mac OS is getting more and more popular and the more popular the iPhone and iPad will be the more people will think of switching to Mac.

Unrealistic target unless smartphone market expands 3-4 times faster than expected in 2011.
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post #25 of 157
They 'll be eating their words again soon.

It'll save them a few monies off the grocery list.
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Buy 1 winPhone 7 and get 3 for free.
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Sold to phone carriers or sold to customers?

If the carriers give one away with every purchase it is very easy to inflate numbers.
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Originally Posted by tundraboy View Post

They can always just give the phones away. Not like it would be the first time that they throw money down a hole just to prop up reported unit sales figures.

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Originally Posted by donlphi View Post

Unfortunately, you can't compare the two launches.

Apple iPhone OS available on the Apple iPhone with one service provider in one country at initial launch.

Windows Mobile 7 available on how many phones with how many service providers in how many countries at launch?

If they don't sell 30 million phones in a year, I would call it an epic fail.

I agree with both. I imagine MSFT will get carriers to do the same as BlackBerry and many Android phones - buy one get one free. And doing so skewing their numbers. Also, as stated the iPhone is on one piece of hardware while WM7 will be on multiple carriers and launching globally I'm sure, so you can't compare sales numbers.
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Windows Phone 7 will sell 3 million, 30 million is crazy. I will admit that I will be purchasing one during the holidays to give it a try on one of my lines. So by December of this year, my family plan of four lines will consist of iPhone 4G, iPhone 3G, HD2, and Windows Phone 7.

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post #30 of 157
I've been reading articles about this all day.

What I find amazing about this is not just the number itself, but the fact that they made a prediction at all. They didn't make a prediction about Zune sales until almost 6 months had gone by, and they knew how many they would sell, then they predicted that (very small) number. They never broke that number with all the succeeding generations, including the current one.

30 million is a number that I can only think was uttered in mistake. If they said 10 million, I would go along with it. They've got a chance at that. Smartphones sales are roaring, and 10 million in the first year from a product sourced from several manufacturers on a number of carriers around the world is attainable for a Microsoft product. There are enough people out there that could want that. Whether they will do it or not is something else, but it's a possibility. But 30 million is a stunning number. I can't help wondering how they came up with it.
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oh, that pesky Mr. Ballmer. always good for a laugh!

there is no way windows phone 7 will outsell that amazing hotness known as "Kin". ha!

i don't think Ballmer has been right about anything since he predicted the iphone would flop in 2007. he was probably still wrong before 2007, but i wasnt paying attention then....lolz
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oh, that pesky Mr. Ballmer. always good for a laugh!

there is no way windows phone 7 will outsell that amazing hotness known as "Kin". ha!

i don't think Ballmer has been right about anything since he predicted the iphone would flop in 2007. he was probably still wrong before 2007, but i wasnt paying attention then....lolz

Some have been wondering if the Kin is included in that number. They are both based on the same OS, in the rough. But I don't see the Kin as succeeding.
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The problem is, they will have to sell 30 million in the next 2 years in order to be a viable competitor.
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The problem is, they will have to sell 30 million in the next 2 years in order to be a viable competitor.

If they manage to sell 10 million in the first year, then they will be taken seriously. If sales are much below that, they will have big problems. But right now, Nokia is the most vulnerable, so there's room to grow marketshare there, and smartphone sales are growing by leaps and bounds.

With Palm out of the running for now at least, they have a shot of sorts.
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But does it have a keyboard? Inquiring minds want to know!

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Originally Posted by malax View Post

At least one. And a stylus.

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Don't forget the mandatory "Bing" button.. it is the killer button/feature

OMG..! OMG..!!

You guys, please don't give ideas to Steve Ballmer and Microsoft on what "iPhone-killer" features for the Windows Phone 7.. *

* note: sarcastic is intended in the sentence
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Originally Posted by vsp View Post

Buy 1 winPhone 7 and get 3 for free.

..or, how about: Buy 1 Windows Phone 7, and get 7 for free..!

That should make the sales number look like Microsoft is moving Windows Phone 7 in very large numbers at the end of the year..

Hey, they did it too on Windows 7 launch promo.. Although they offered 7 stacks of beef in a burger for 7 days; the Windows 7 Whopper, but Microsoft can do better than that right..?
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This is ridiculously funny! First, I don't know what's so great about Windows Mobile 7 ? There is nothing innovative about it. Microsoft doesn't know how to innovate. I think they must be putting something in those free sodas they provide their employees.
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Here's where this story is garbage.
MS unlike Apple doesn't have hardware of their own. So,what that 30 million projection should say is that MS hopes that their hardware partners can crank out 30 million phones carrying the windows mobile 7 OS. Period.
That is the same misinterpreted info given when Android phones are talked about. Android and winmo mobile 7 are OSes sold by competing cell phone makers.
That is the right way of telling the story.
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Based on the amount of expected growth in the smartphone market in 2011 and what I've seen from MS' redesign of WinMo7 I think it's possible. I don't think they'll beat Apple that year on unit sales and obviously not come close to revenue and profit as Apple is also selling the HW, but if they get enough vendors, make it competitive enough to take on Android and make it work on cheap enough phones (all within reason) I think it could definitely happen.
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Based on the amount of expected growth in the smartphone market in 2011 and what I've seen from MS' redesign of WinMo7 I think it's possible. I don't think they'll beat Apple that year on unit sales and obviously not come close to revenue and profit as Apple is also selling the HW, but if they get enough vendors, make it competitive enough to take on Android and make it work on cheap enough phones (all within reason) I think it could definitely happen.

If the phones are free (subsidised), I think there is definitely a possibility to sell lots of them. Think about it, most people know Microsoft, so when going to buy a phone, and they have the choice between an Android (huh?) and a M$ (oh yeah, works great on my PC), then there is a good chance lots of people would go for it.

Though I don't like M$, I believe that the interface they presented looked rather polished, and compare to android, there is a good chance it will be appealing enough to the people mentioned above.
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