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post #81 of 157
5/28/10 at 6:27am
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Originally Posted by irnchriz View Post

With only 7.7 million Android phones shipped in 2009 (roughly 10 different models) how on earth do Microsoft think they can ship 30 million?


Windows has more mindshare than Android. Everybody in the whole world knows "Windows".
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post #82 of 157
5/28/10 at 6:34am
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Originally Posted by Stevie View Post

Windows has more mindshare than Android. Everybody in the whole world knows "Windows".

And how bad it is! Double edged sword there.
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post #83 of 157
5/28/10 at 6:36am
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http://www.engadget.com/photos/dell-...ice-leaks-out/



So will these Win Phones require Norton, Kaspersky etc.. Will they always be requiring a restart after the tenth update that day? Will they get slower and slower and slower ...???

Also won't all these same manufactures be selling Android phones too? That might make life complicated for MS. I don't see them being able to bully manufacturers into exclusivity these days.
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post #84 of 157
5/28/10 at 6:37am
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Originally Posted by applebook View Post

AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAHHAHA!!!!!


In all seriousness, I think that WP7 has potential, but there's no way that it will be anywhere near RIM, iPhone, Nokia, and Android in sales, at least not for the first few years.





They predict that they will sell 6 million phones per quarter on average for 5 quarters. They predict (as you do) that they will not be anywhere near RIM, Nokia and Android in sales.

They do not predict that they will even be in the top 5.

They do not predict that they will even outsell Apple, who also is not in the top 5.
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post #85 of 157
5/28/10 at 6:41am
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Originally Posted by ncee View Post

When will they (MS) learn that the way to beat Apple, is to do something they aren't already doing, and then they will have the market locked up.



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post #86 of 157
5/28/10 at 6:42am
Good luck MS...you're gonna need it! Although i regularly talk with developers and IT "architects" out there that say even though the iPhone is hugely popular, they still won't write apps for it becasue still many large companies use MS products. It makes no sense for them to develop and support products that work on different platforms. I think MS has some real catching up to do, but given the huge improvement MS has made with Windows 7 (long overdue) i can see how phone 7 will be pretty popular; maybe not as ambitious as Mr. Balmer would like but let's sit back and watch...should be interesting.

If MS-P7 can successfully integrate active synching between enterprise systems and application to the phone, they might have an edge up on Apple, RIM and Android.
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post #87 of 157
5/28/10 at 6:43am
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Originally Posted by msantti View Post

Most of the hardware partners MS would have are all making Android phones and those sales are going pretty decent so how many are going to put a full on press in regards to Windows Mobile 7 phones?

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The only manufacturer I can cite is Dell. They are coming out with five new phones. Four of them are Android phones.

The flagship of the line, however, will Run Win7.

That surprised me, but it is a fact.
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post #88 of 157
5/28/10 at 6:49am
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Originally Posted by BartBuzz View Post

MS has a phone?

Yes. They recently released it. Two different ones, IIRC (I don't pay much attention to M$ at this point).

However, this article is about a different subject.
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post #89 of 157
5/28/10 at 6:52am
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

So will these Win Phones require Norton, Kaspersky etc.. Will they always be requiring a restart after the tenth update that day? Will they get slower and slower and slower ...???

Also won't all these same manufactures be selling Android phones too? That might make life complicated for MS. I don't see them being able to bully manufacturers into exclusivity these days.

I'll answer your questions in order:

No
No
Yes (lol)

At least that's what I can tell you about the current windows mobile platform. It just gets slower after a year or so. What I've done is created an image of my "perfect setup" and when I do a hard reset, I can just load from the image and I've got everything I need. I can also create separate backups of my contacts in case I add people that year, know what I mean?

Anyways, just like OSX, windows mobile for years has gotten by without any viruses because of "security through obscurity." It's a common concept. It doesn't mean the OS is completely safe, just that the odds of an attack are. OSX can get viruses like Windows, but it's Windows that's got the attention from hackers.

As far as competing phones go, it's all business to the manufacturer. The way they see it, if they carry many different phones, their potential to appeal to YOU goes up. Like if you don't want android, well have a look at WP7. So long as you're buying the phone from them. Microsoft and Google have no say as to what kind of other phones they can carry. I even think it might be illegal for them to try. Like if Apple told AT&T not to carry Palm phones; I think that might be illegal.
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post #90 of 157
5/28/10 at 6:54am
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post


Also won't all these same manufactures be selling Android phones too? That might make life complicated for MS. I don't see them being able to bully manufacturers into exclusivity these days.


The phone shown is from Dell. They are releasing 4 more, all running Android. No exclusivity there.

The phone shown in the picture, however, is their flagship of the line. I am surprised that they chose the winPhone for that, but maybe M$ wanted exclusivity, and instead, got the flagship phone as a consolation.
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post #91 of 157
5/28/10 at 6:54am
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Originally Posted by Stevie View Post





They predict that they will sell 6 million phones per quarter on average for 5 quarters. They predict (as you do) that they will not be anywhere near RIM, Nokia and Android in sales.

They do not predict that they will even be in the top 5.

They do not predict that they will even outsell Apple, who also is not in the top 5.

Maybe you should learn to tell the difference between ALL mobile phones and smart phones. The overwhelming majority of phones sold (particularly from the top 5 vendors) are dumb phones - and it's unlikely that WinMob 7 is going on those. They would have to capture a huge fraction of smartphones.

For comparison, Apple has reached something like 50 M iPhones in 3 years - and that's the phone that's universally considered the phone to beat and given the best consumer ratings. Aside from only having one cell provider in the US, they have global coverage and a strong ecosystem.

Microsoft's OS won't be out until the end of this year (if they manage to meet a target for a change). That means they'll have 12 months to sell 30 M phones. Just not likely.

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Originally Posted by reverie View Post

Why are people so obsessed with those "free" phones? Hello, there's still a $2000 contract attached to each "free" phone!

That's the logical way to look at it - but logic doesn't always prevail. Whenever there's a BOGO offer in cell phones, adoption rates skyrocket.

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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

Maybe Ballmer is going to achieve this by giving one free to every Zune owner .

Yes, they could do that. So they only need to sell 29,999,997 more.
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post #92 of 157
5/28/10 at 6:59am
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Originally Posted by pmz View Post

What a pathetic joke. That hideous excuse for an OS is going to sell itself on 30 million phones? Not a chance in the world.

It's really not that bad. I saw a video of the office stuff running on it, and it honestly makes sense. When I first saw that ui, I thought it was crap, but it turns out it's very functional.

The multitasking is pretty much exactly what Apple is doing with the iphone, which is a little weird since Apple is going after anyone who copies multi-touch gestures for crying out loud. I'd say multitasking is a bit more important. But then again, WP7 was announced before OS4.... Makes you wonder.

Anyways, it'll be interesting to see what happens.
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post #93 of 157
5/28/10 at 6:59am
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Originally Posted by Stevie View Post

The phone shown is from Dell. They are releasing 4 more, all running Android. No exclusivity there.

The phone shown in the picture, however, is their flagship of the line. I am surprised that they chose the winPhone for that, but maybe M$ wanted exclusivity, and instead, got the flagship phone as a consolation.

Here's a link you apparently need:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time

You keep confusing projections of future events with current reality. This is silly, particularly when projections from companies like Microsoft so often fail to come true, or only come true in a diluted form and very late.

Let's talk about reality, not some hyper-inflated vaporware idea of someone's distorted view of the future.
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post #94 of 157
5/28/10 at 7:07am
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

Here's a link you apparently need:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time

You keep confusing projections of future events with current reality. This is silly, particularly when projections from companies like Microsoft so often fail to come true, or only come true in a diluted form and very late.

Let's talk about reality, not some hyper-inflated vaporware idea of someone's distorted view of the future.


You didn't read the question which my post was in answer to.

I specifically posted the answer in response to a question about the future.

If you want to talk about reality, do it. But please don't butt into an existing conversation about future Win7 phones with an insistence that the subject be changed.

And please don't accuse me of being confused when you don't even know what the heck is currently under discussion in the subthread.
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post #95 of 157
5/28/10 at 7:09am
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Originally Posted by sflocal View Post

With all the vocal blunders Microsoft has made in the past, they are setting themselves up for failure by proclaiming their goal.

Of course, regardless of how many units they give - er... "sell", when the final number is below their expectations, they will already have some kind of verbal marketing script already in place that will explain how "happy" they are with their initial launch.

Has anyone heard how their "amazing" Microsoft Stores are doing?

Ballmer is a sales guy.... this is an 'ABC' motivational goal. Wait till Ballmer sends Alec Baldwin to those Microsoft Stores for some motivational vibes.

"You know what it takes to sell Windows 7 Mobile Phones? it takes BRASS BALLS to sell Windows 7 Mobile Phones!"

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post #96 of 157
5/28/10 at 7:12am
Ballmer should have kept his mouth shut and taken the speaking gig at WWDC, instead

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post #97 of 157
5/28/10 at 7:13am
that's a great goal, but a goal without a plan is just a dream.
keep on dreaming MS.
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post #98 of 157
5/28/10 at 7:16am
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Originally Posted by chronster View Post

It's really not that bad. I saw a video of the office stuff running on it, and it honestly makes sense..

I saw a video of King Kong climbing the Empire State building, but I don't honestly think it really happened.

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post #99 of 157
5/28/10 at 7:19am
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Originally Posted by Jetz View Post

Expect HTC to be at the top of the list, after Apple cut them that side deal on their patents issue.

I believe you meant, "... after Microsoft cut them that side deal on their patents issue." Yes, producing WP7 phones was probably an unwritten condition of that deal.
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post #100 of 157
5/28/10 at 7:42am
Weren't something like 90% of previous/current WinMo phones produced by HTC? If they can actually expand beyond just 1 company producing all their phones it would help. 30M is laughably overshooting.
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post #101 of 157
5/28/10 at 8:11am
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Originally Posted by vsp View Post

Buy 1 winPhone 7 and get 3 for free.

You took the words right out of my mind. I was thinking that this was the way Blackberry and Verizond did it and claim to out sell iPhone.
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post #102 of 157
5/28/10 at 8:36am
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

Not only do we have alternatives IMHO MS have lost credibility in the eyes of many. They are becoming the Buick of the tech world. Driven by old farts and always slow and in the way.

LOL! May I quote you?

BTW, I am a sophisticated elderly gentleman (old fart) who drives a Toyota. We have a club that meets everyday at the pub (after nap time). We prefer to be called DORFs (Drunk Old Retired Farts).

Our group's guiding principle is:

There are 3 things that you need to remember when you reach our age:

1) Never ignore an erection!

... er. ah, I can't remember the other 2.

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– Alan Kay –
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post #103 of 157
5/28/10 at 8:40am
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Originally Posted by radster360 View Post

This is ridiculously funny! First, I don't know what's so great about Windows Mobile 7?

Well, nothing yet... it hasn't been released. The demo videos are certainly impressive however.

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Originally Posted by radster360 View Post

There is nothing innovative about it. Microsoft doesn't know how to innovate.

There is a certain amount of irony involved in regurgitating that same old comment. FYI...

Xbox: 2001
Tablet PC: 2002
Media Center: 2002
Windows smartphone: 2003
Microsoft Surface (dev started): 2003
Xbox 360: 2005
Zune:2006
Project Natal: 2011?

Microsoft have a lot of very intelligent and innovative individuals working for them. What they lack is the managerial structure and cohesion to capitalize on those ideas. Or more specifically, Ballmer is a jackass.
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post #104 of 157
5/28/10 at 8:45am
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Originally Posted by Stevie View Post

Windows has more mindshare than Android. Everybody in the whole world knows "Windows".

Yeah... I guess a bad reputation is better than no reputation at all

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post #105 of 157
5/28/10 at 8:47am
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Originally Posted by Stevie View Post

You didn't read the question which my post was in answer to.

I specifically posted the answer in response to a question about the future.

If you want to talk about reality, do it. But please don't butt into an existing conversation about future Win7 phones with an insistence that the subject be changed.

And please don't accuse me of being confused when you don't even know what the heck is currently under discussion in the subthread.

The difference, of course, is that your post was suggesting that the Dell Windows 7 phones were already a reality and therefore Microsoft's projections were real.

In the real world, the Dell Windows 7 mobiles are no more real than Courier.
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post #106 of 157
5/28/10 at 8:50am
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Originally Posted by Stevie View Post




They predict that they will sell 6 million phones per quarter on average for 5 quarters. They predict (as you do) that they will not be anywhere near RIM, Nokia and Android in sales.

They do not predict that they will even be in the top 5.

They do not predict that they will even outsell Apple, who also is not in the top 5.

Nice chart! Do you have one that applies to the category we are discussing, smart phones?

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post #107 of 157
5/28/10 at 8:51am
Ever wonder if Microsoft DOES have a reality distortion generator, but they've accidentally aimed it TOWARD themselves instead of toward the intended audience?

Boy, I often wonder that when I hear Microsoft reps say pretty much anything.
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post #108 of 157
5/28/10 at 8:56am
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Originally Posted by Patranus View Post

Sold to phone carriers or sold to customers?

If the carriers give one away with every purchase it is very easy to inflate numbers.

They still get paid for the 2nd (or 3rd) phone on licenses.
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post #109 of 157
5/28/10 at 8:59am
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Originally Posted by Stevie View Post

You didn't read the question which my post was in answer to.

I specifically posted the answer in response to a question about the future.

If you want to talk about reality, do it. But please don't butt into an existing conversation about future Win7 phones with an insistence that the subject be changed.

And please don't accuse me of being confused when you don't even know what the heck is currently under discussion in the subthread.

What's a subthread? Can I join, or better yet, ban it?

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post #110 of 157
5/28/10 at 9:04am
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

So will these Win Phones require Norton, Kaspersky etc.. Will they always be requiring a restart after the tenth update that day? Will they get slower and slower and slower ...???

Also won't all these same manufactures be selling Android phones too? That might make life complicated for MS. I don't see them being able to bully manufacturers into exclusivity these days.

I've always wondered how you will able to do CTRL-ALT-DEL with a Windows 7 Tablet/Slate. However, it seems MS solved the problem with Window Phone 7. Pressing the three buttons (back-Windows-Bing) will probably will act like CTRL-ALT-DEL. No wonder MS requires all Windows Phone 7 to have three buttons, no more no less
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post #111 of 157
5/28/10 at 9:17am
Is this an April Fool's joke? Because this is totally laughable.
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post #112 of 157
5/28/10 at 9:24am
[Cue music]

"But I can dream, can't I?"

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post #113 of 157
5/28/10 at 9:25am
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Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post

I've always wondered how you will able to do CTRL-ALT-DEL with a Windows 7 Tablet/Slate.

Best post of the thread.
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post #114 of 157
5/28/10 at 9:48am
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Originally Posted by Firefly7475 View Post

Xbox: 2001
Tablet PC: 2002
Media Center: 2002
Windows smartphone: 2003
Microsoft Surface (dev started): 2003
Xbox 360: 2005
Zune:2006
Project Natal: 2011?

Microsoft have a lot of very intelligent and innovative individuals working for them. What they lack is the managerial structure and cohesion to capitalize on those ideas. Or more specifically, Ballmer is a jackass.

By virtue of including the Zune as a Microsoft innovation (a re branded toshi player...) you don't expect to be taken seriously now, do you? If you ask the very people who created, well, adopted actually the Zune from Toshi, if they were innovators they would laugh out loud themselves.
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post #115 of 157
5/28/10 at 10:00am
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Originally Posted by vsp View Post

Buy 1 winPhone 7 and get 3 for free.

Actually, I think its buy 1 and get 47,311 free.
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post #116 of 157
5/28/10 at 10:06am
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

LOL! May I quote you?

BTW, I am a sophisticated elderly gentleman (old fart) who drives a Toyota. We have a club that meets everyday at the pub (after nap time). We prefer to be called DORFs (Drunk Old Retired Farts).

Our group's guiding principle is:

There are 3 things that you need to remember when you reach our age:

1) Never ignore an erection!

... er. ah, I can't remember the other 2.

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never trust a fart, and
never pass a bathroom

btw, I drive a Buick fast. Sometimes very fast
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post #117 of 157
5/28/10 at 10:08am
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Originally Posted by newbee View Post

I saw a video of King Kong climbing the Empire State building, but I don't honestly think it really happened.

lol so you think the office example won't be as good as it appeared to be?
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post #118 of 157
5/28/10 at 10:14am
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Originally Posted by myapplelove View Post

By virtue of including the Zune as a Microsoft innovation (a re branded toshi player...) you don't expect to be taken seriously now, do you? If you ask the very people who created, well, adopted actually the Zune from Toshi, if they were innovators they would laugh out loud themselves.

Says "My Apple Love"... one thinks you'd better not start casting the "expect to be taken seriously now" stones just yet!

Truth be told I had it off the list and re-added it just before the post after deciding the 2nd gen UI, sharing and subscription service warranted its inclusion.

In any case agreement on anything Zune-related is of no consequence as there are plenty of other items on the list for you to complain about.
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post #119 of 157
5/28/10 at 10:24am
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

Maybe you should learn to tell the difference between ALL mobile phones and smart phones. The overwhelming majority of phones sold (particularly from the top 5 vendors) are dumb phones - and it's unlikely that WinMob 7 is going on those. They would have to capture a huge fraction of smartphones.

According to IDC, the top 5 smartphone manufacturers are:

Nokia - 21.5 mil
RIM - 10.6 mil
Apple - 8.8 mil
HTC - 2.6 mil
Motorola - 2.3 mil
Total - 54.7 mil

If Microsoft sold 6 mil phones and we assume a zero sum game (which it's not), then Microsoft would need to capture 11% of today's smartphone market.

However, the report also states that the smartphone market is growing at 56.7% YoY. At this rate, the total market size in Q1 2011 will be 85.7 mil. Thus, Microsoft would only need to capture 7% of the Q1 2011 smartphone market.

In reality, the percentage of the market that Microsoft will need to grab in order to reach its 30 million target is likely to be even lower. Smartphone sales are cyclical, with the majority sold during the holiday season. The 2011 holiday season will be make or break for Microsoft.
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post #120 of 157
5/28/10 at 10:33am
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Originally Posted by edmalloy View Post

never trust a fart, and
never pass a bathroom

btw, I drive a Buick fast. Sometimes very fast

Ha!

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– Alan Kay –
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