Apple expected to sell 700K+ iPads overseas, beating the Mac - Page 3

The SCSI port made me laugh! I have SCSI cables that weigh more than the iPad... I suspect a SCSI terminator weighs more than an iPhone!

An S-100 bus would be nice though, then we could throw in some Dazzler cards:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cromemco_Dazzler
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Don't be too quick to dismiss the iPad's capability for the dev work you mention. There is an iPad app called Air Display:

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/air-d...368158927?mt=8

It comes with a companion app that runs on a Mac (and soon on Windows). This is the first step in allowing the Mac and the iPad to be co-peripherals to each other.

What it gives the Mac is:

-- an additional Display
-- touch input

What it potentially gives the iPad is:

-- a mouse/kb and any other Mac peripherals (scanner, camera, etc.)

It is totally wireless. It is release 1.0, so it's a little slow and jerky!

It also needs some fleshing out... but it's a start! I have been able to use the pen (Bezier) tool in both Photoshop and Pages by drawing the points with my finger (or a stylus) on the iPad. You can manipulate the time line in FCP or Motion with your finger on the iPad.

The apps on the Mac side need to be made more touch-friendly: bigger targets for fingers (buttons, tools, etc.), loupes, etc.

The Air Display app on the iPad needs a way to handle the kb shortcuts (undo zoom, etc)

But it certainly is doable.

Then, there are already some excellent iPad apps for drawing and sketching... you can do things that just cannot be done with a mouse/kb and even some things that cannot be done with a graphics tablet (alone).



Those are some excellent iPad app ideas. I've already written a custom iPhone app that allows a mover to wander through your house and tally all the items (pianos, chairs, Pachinko Machines, etc). to be used in preparing a quote. A variant can be used to take menu orders at a crowded drive-in restaurant... where the lines reach far beyond the intercom speakers.



The seating plan idea is a natural-- you just type up (annotate) little boxes and move 'em around like refrigerator magnets.


Well considered, and well said.

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When you aren't liked here all that means is you are doing something right. Most of you guys are little whining school girls.

Well you have me by a few years and clearly you like to listen to yourself talk but you are still full of shit.

Having to be a freak just to read the news? Are you joking? The iPad is a toy, it doesn't make technology easy it makes it harder. I has no real file system, I runs an mobile phone OS.

How freakish do you have to be to understand how to use OSX or Windows? If you have 30 years and its that hard for you to us OSX then someone needs to stop paying you.

Point by point:

Having to wait for your laptop to boot before you can read the news, how freakish is that.

I can remember, not so long ago, when desktop computers were called toys... I worked at IBM at the time, marketing Mainframes.

The iPad's purpose is not to make "technology easy", rather its purpose is to make technology get out of the way (to disappear) so the average user can do his thing with his stuff! The iPad, while not perfect, succeeds in this better than any device in history!

The iPad has a full UNIX file system. The fact that it is hidden from the user is one of the things that makes the iPad easy to use. File systems are in a state of evolution-- metadata, collaboration, cross-application use, cloud computing, synchronization, etc. I think we'll see a different paradigm as files are manipulated and shared in the next decade. Times, they are a-changin... File systems, too.

The bulk of the earth's billions of people have no need, or desire, to use (or know about) any OS. I can drive a stick shift, but an automatic is more practical for my purposes .

If you are n years old and so set in your ways that you won't even investigate/consider potentially better alternatives [to your status quo]... then someone needs to stop paying you!


See how easy that was!

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Makes me wonder: what's the fastest selling computer or gadget so far? The Nintendo Wii? The Sony Playstation? How many did they sell the first year in the market? And could the iPad break that record?

The iPhone, which is universally seen as one of the biggest bestsellers ever took 74 days to sell one million. The iPad did that in just 28 days, and it hasn't slowed down one bit. If the iPad does indeed sell 8 million in 9 months wouldn't that be a new record of sorts?

Between the iPad announcement and launch many estimated that Apple will sell between 4 to 8 million iPads. The trolls reaction was "it will never happen", "you will be an idiot to buy an iPad", "You guys are living in a dream world", "will never happen", and my favorite "Only fanboys will buy it".

Now that Apple sold one million in less than a months their reaction is "I don't care", "it doesn't matter", and "I don't base my choice on how many are sold".

In few years when the iPad growth start slowing, which is normal since the market will reach saturation, they will come back and say "iPad growth is stagnating" and "We've told you no one will buy it", and "it is a flop".

In short.. Apple is Doomed!

This was their reaction to the iPhone and so far it seems we are going the same road again with the iPad

Nice summation of the facts!

Unfortunately the technobigots lack the perspective and common sense to look beyond their own set of knowledge/beliefs.

BTW, I am a pretty happy AAPL shareholder!

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Okay lets go point by point.

You have to wait for your laptop to boot up? Thats funny have you not heard of sleep mode. You can put any Mac or for that matter any system in sleep mode and it take one click and your system is up.

Well I still work at IBM installing operating systmes on Mainframes. Its a good job if you can get it. In regards to PC computers they were an advancement in technology, just because something is new doesn't mean its an advancement.

If technology doesn't make things easier then its not technology. You don't make something to make what you are already doing harder. Lets use Blu ray as an example. When Avatar came out on dvd about half of the Blu ray players couldn't play the disk. So for those people that had to disconnect their player, plug it into their router and download a firmware upgrade, I doubt they thought Blu ray was an advancement in technology.

The iPad lacks a file system, multi-tasking, Flash support, its not easy to hold, slippery. So to wait an extra 3 seconds for my system to come out of sleep mode doesn't sound like a bad trade off.

What has happened is the most users have become so dumb down that as long as they get get on facebook or go to cnn.com all their needs are met. The iPad is great for teens that only do social networks, listen to music or seniors. If you have even mid level needs the iPad does nothing for you.

Try and get a keynote off your iPad onto your Macbook, it doesn't make the process easier.

As always on this site most of the people don't even own or have access to the product so they are talking out their ass. They get pissed at me and defend Apple out of blind loyalty.

Maybe you have an iPad, if you do great then you can debate this with me, but for all the sheep that don't even use the product, just don't even bother posting because you have no clue what you are talking about.

Its like Windows bashers that haven't used Windows in a decade.

The iPad is fine. Let me repeat that, the iPad as fine as long as you call a spade a spade. Its nothing more then a big iPod Touch. If you want an iPod Touch with a bigger screen and some extra Apps then its perfect. However lets not call it a computer replacement because it simply isn't.

The part of me that is set in my way is I only use things that improve upon what I am already using.

You have missed a key fundamental of technology. It's not necessary designed to replace the needs of a different technology, but to accompany it or replace it for very specific uses.

The Swiss Army Knife fills up a spec list nicely but I can't imagine anyone saying they'd take that over a specific tool designed for specific jobs.

You aren't saying anything different then what I am saying. True technology makes what you are already doing easier.

The iPad is not yet an advancement in technology. People here bash netbooks all the time yet the iPad doesn't even have the power or function of even the most basic netbook.

That isn't the best example because I know you don't believe the iPad should be running a desktop OS, but the iPad certainly doesn't make easier or more advance for someone like you and I that already own a MBP and a smartphone.

The iPad as a place as either a luxury add on for users like you and I or it meets the needs of the most basic user and I meand the a very basic user if that is going to be any kind of system replacement.

Even putting the OS aside the "power" of the iPad. A Slate isn't the most comfortable device to hold or use. That is why Apple has them setup at their stores on perfectly designed stands. A case is pretty much a must as are other accessories. The iPad is fragile, slipper and not the easiest by any means to use long term unless you are sitting down with it at an angle on your lap.

So thats why I say unless people actually own one and use it one they needs to stop bashing everytime someone doesn't get down on their knees and call it the best device ever made.

The iPad has some very good points but like I said lets call it what it really is. I wish in the long run Quadra was right and it was more of a system replacement but it isn't by any stretch.

Please please please... stop lumping US all in with YOU! I personally know several people who since their iPad arrived weeks ago have not had the need to boot up their MPBs since. Yes they will need them for the hard core heavy lifting, programming, video editing etc, sure, but for the vast majority of their leisure time or general web time, no need at all.

Just because YOU do not see it being a system replacement, do not generalise that there are a whole bunch of people out the for who it is, my folks included!

All you are trying to do is ram your view of it down our through, and we are trying to do the same back to try and sway your opinion. Let's just all agree that neither side will budge, and stop polluting the informed discussion.

Edit, just to add to the above, a random quote on my local forums from someone..
"The opposite. I sold my netbook within a week of getting the iPad and have not regretted it for one minute. Even at over the odds I payed to be one of the first to get it 7 weeks ago."

They feel threatened, I think, by anything that might make their particular skills less valuable or necessary. In a basic way, it's an understandable defense mechanism. Not that we have to accept it. We can still decide who is right about the future and where it is to be found.

For those of who've been around, we see the familiar refrains -- the technorati are saying precisely the same things about the iPad that they said about the Mac, 25 years ago.

BTW, good quote from Doc Searles. I met him a number of years ago at MWSF. We had a very nice chat. An interesting person.

Hardcore heavy lifting? Its hardcore to even take you seriously. Hardcore like putting something in a folder. How about hardcore like running more then one thing at once. How about hardcore like using sites that require Flash. How about real hardcore stuff like working on a keynote and streaming music at the same time. The iPad can not do any of the above. Also there isn't anything hardcore or even mid level about any of the above.

These are requirements that my 13 year old daughter needs and wants. They aren't even my requirements. So if you have requirements less then that of a middle school student then who is really the outlier? Certainly not me in this conversation.

Middle school students these days needs to be able to use file systems, know how to manage folders, create Powerpoints/keynotes and then burn them to disks for their teachers. So an iPad can not even meet the basic daily needs of the average middle school student. It is not a computer replacement.

Damn that some hardcore stuff.

You are kidding with the reference to schools right? The government here has just purchase 500, yes 500, for an initial trial to use them in classrooms to replace textbooks completely. Tell me the school kids are going to say no thanks because the can't access a file system!

I think you are showing your biases with all this talk about file systems... the mainframe business not what it once was?

Sorry, should sop stooping to your level

WOW a whole 500. That isn't even half the population at one school. The average school in GA as between 1000-1200 students.

So clearly I am not the one thats having problems understanding what the basic needs of students are these days. Stoop to my level? On your best day you don't have 5% of my technical ability.

You are borderline the worst poster here. Had to take you off ignore for a minute just to add my two cents to this unignorable post.

You didn't even add 2 cent. You said nothing. Which is typical for you.

Apple just announced 2M sold in 60 days

This was discussed a month or so ago in this forum. Someone provided numbers for the Wii, Playstation, and xBox.

I believe that of all electronic gadgets, the iPhone 3GS was the fastest to 1 million sold. The iPad was #2.


I agree that the demand will be there, but I'm not sure that the production capacity is there to meet the demand. It appears that demand will exceed supply for quite a while. Considering that the holidays and back to school are still ahead of us, I suspect that there will be quite a few disappointed people come Christmas.


The reality is that you are completely incapable of understanding someone who is not a geek. No one ever claimed that the iPad was for everyone (except idiot trolls). The iPad serves a great niche both for people who don't have another computer but who has limited needs (typical user: my 80 year old mother) or for people who do have another computer but want a lightweight content delivery device (typical user, my daughter). And the market seems to be agreeing that the demand for this type of device is immense.

I really have to wonder what kind of psychological disorder creates trolls. It's not hard to understand someone who likes a product and wants to talk about their experiences. But to go to an Apple forum simply to pi$$ and moan about how you think a product is no good and to spend countless hours badmouthing a product that you would never buy (and are proud of saying you would never buy) clearly indicates some kind of psychosis. Maybe it's Narcissistic Personality Disorder (where the person believes that the world revolves around them and that nothing outside of their experience has any validity). Or maybe it's a Sadism complex with the need to inflict pain on others. Or maybe it's simply that you're incapable of dealing with change.

In any event, it's really sad so see how many people spend so much time spreading lies and FUD about products simply because they're not right for them. Sorry, but there are billions of people in the world and they are not all going to be like you. Thank goodness.

Started a new thread on the 2 million sold figure...

You know, your empty, egomaniacal boasting might carry slightly more weight if your were ever right about anything.

At least I post real life opinions based on using a product unlike most here that simply post nonsense about something they have never used. Or make comments like this with nothing behind them. The only thing empty is the space between your ears.

Maybe just once why don't you put some facts behind our comments instead of just commenting about how you dislike my comments. You know actually form an opininon for yourself.

Typical AI post. I wonder what kind of disorder makes people bindly fall in love with anything Apple releases. Like I said to mouse at least my opinions are based on using a product not just blindly falling in love with anything Apple releases. Which is the case with most of you here. Do you even own an iPad?

I post plenty of opinions on AI, most of which have nothing to do with you. (You really aren't the center of anyone's universe, you know.) But, you do have to admit, that your track record as a technology pundit is pretty poor.

Frankly, I think anyone who does not find the iPad is a remarkable and revolutionary device is either too locked in to a rigid idea of what "computing" is and ought to be (and the iPad does turn that concept on its head) or simply isn't able to get past certain biases (possible, in your case) to see it for what it is. Sure, one can justifiably pick a nit here or there, but, overall, it's a complete game changer, and, in fact, the experience is so completely different from an iPhone/iPod Touch that there is little, beyond raw technical similarities, that they have in common.

And, yes, I own an iPad WiFi+3G. Two in fact.

Yes, I have a 17" AlBook and am quite aware... then, you must navigate through a series of windows to get to what you want.


Good for you. When I worked there it was the best job in the world.

Are you in DPD? What job title? What job level? When I left IBM (1980) I was a Consulting Market Support Rep for the Data Processing division. At the time there were 200 Consulting-level employees out of 450,000.

In 16 1/2 years at IBM, I never had a boss that made more salary than me!


Conversely, just because something is established technology doesn't make it better technology.

The time this really hit me was some time in 1979 -- I worked in the IBM Palo Alto System center. Some people in our center were bringing to market (developing a market support infrastructure) for a semi-dumb color terminal (a follow-on to the 3270). They asked me to bring in my Apple ][ so they could test the terminal... here was a a terminal that rented for almost as much, per month, as the Apple ][ computer cost to purchase. BTW, one IBM division had developed this wonderful portable dot-matrix printer... it only weighed 60 lbs.


The iPad has a File System, multi-tasking-- just not what you want! No Flash is a good thing, IMO, and, apparently, for lots of others (except techies and Flash developers). We have 2 iPads-- soon to be 3. For each I bought the Apple Case. It is a suede-like (pseudo-suede) material that is non-slippery. It protects the iPad, acts as an easel and makes it very easy to carry around in one hand. I do it all the time. Do you have a case/bag for your laptop... I do for mine, to protect it and to make it easier to carry. The iPad is much easier, though. You can easily walk around with the iPad in one hand while typing/touching with the other. Try that with a lap top... or using a laptop in bed!


That's your opinion. I program the iPhone and iPad, as well as use expensive image and Video editing software costing around $5,000 total.

There are some touch sketching and drawing apps on the iPad that make it easy to do things that cannot be done easily (or at all) on another platform.

Do you realize that an iPad can act as an additional screen to a desktop or laptop? So a Power User of, say, Photoshop can have all his tools on the iPad display, freeing up his other displays for the image being worked upon.

Not only that, the iPad provides touch input to the desktop or laptop. The Desktop apps aren't ready for multi-touch, yet... but I suspect they will be soon!


I don't consider myself to be dumbed-down. The iPad is great for me because it makes it much easier to do some of the things I need to do. Just as the iMacs make it easier to do the heavy lifting.


You have me there! I expect that the iWork apps (and file exchange/synching) will get a lot more robust within the year, After all, these are release 1.0 and are less than 2 months old. I think they are meant as place holders and to encourage developers (MS?) to write productivity apps for the iPad. Additionally, the iPad OS is a special OS version that was frozen so that the hardware and software teams were not chasing a moving target.

As the year unfolds, the iPad will be updated the mainstream OS. I suspect that Apple will have some (yet unseen) features in the iPads, iWork iPad, the Cloud/MobileMe, Mac OS X, iWork Mac OS X and iTunes that will mitigate the deficiencies.

Apple learned with MobileMe-- don't update everything at the same time.


I do, and I will!

I suspect that most people who post here that are pro-iPad have at least tried it!

The fact that you call it a "big iPod touch" tells me that you've never really tried it, but have a pre-judged opinion.

Mmm... Is a desktop computer a Mainframe Computer replacement? A laptop? A netback? A smart phone? an iPod Touch? an iPad... For some people and some uses-- the answer to all of these is yes!

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No, you post your own baloney, unsupported by majority opinion, then attempt to pass it off as something everyone else is thinking. Which makes you not just wrong, but consistently wrong.

God I thought you were finally gone. By the way do you even own an iPad to be commenting on this subject. Or are you giving bullshit advice again without using the product...[insult removed - Mr. H].

You don't need to own an iPad to know it's a game-changer.

Over 2 million in 2 months. Yeah, I'd say that the iPad has changed the game.