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"Why is the iPhone's screen smaller than the iPad?"
"How come I can't create or edit Excel documents on it?"
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I enjoyed your satirical homage to the Appleinsider trolls but Documents to Go is one of several apps that do indeed allow you to create and edit Excel documents on an iPhone.

Undoubtedly the trolls will complain that Apple doesn't bundle this feature into the iPhone OS.
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I Suggested doubling the pixel density along both axis to improve text visibility as well as provide a reatively seamless backward compatibility with existing apps on this very forum a year ago. I am very glad they have chosen this route and look forward to making my first iPhone purchase now that the rumoured features meet my needs.
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Most people? Are you sure about that? Take an iPhone out when out and about and you'll get mugged. I see people using them in offices and in trains mostly.

You're joking right? Where DO you live exactly?!
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But except for Gruber, and a few others, I refuse to look at white text on a dark BG-- too hard on these old eyes (and brain).

Me too. That's what (in OSX) Command-Option-Control-8 is for!
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"Why is the iPhone's screen smaller than the iPad?"
"How come I can't create or edit Excel documents on it?"
"Why doesn't the camera come with a telephoto zoom lens?"
"Where's Final Cut Pro?"
"How come there's no app to connect to the Hubble Space Telescope?"
"Why won't AT&T let me make calls for free so I don't have to use their service?"
"Why isn't Steve Jobs' cell number pre-installed in the Contacts?"

And finally...

"Where's Flash?"

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The App connecting to the hubble is a pretty good idea....
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Me too. That's what (in OSX) Command-Option-Control-8 is for!

You can do the same thing on an iPhone with 4.0 in the new Accessibility menu. It's a little disconcerting as your green App icons like SMS turn pink, but it makes for an interesting effect. It's system wide though, meaning all of your apps use the inverted colors. They also allow up to 56 point text for those who are getting old. I know quite a few people that have been begging for that option.

I read various links posted in this article for 2 hours. Interesting reading I must say. I think the most striking thing is the 'sparkle' factor in the Droid/N1 displays. On the surface they make the colors pop, but they taken the saturation to extreme lengths to make the display eye catching. Although that works for those who enjoy such things I suppose. Very similar to the tactics used by TV salesmen, except when you get your actual TV, it's set to proper specs. I can't believe they over saturate the colors as badly as they do. I was also a bit surprised about the double-width blue and red pixels, which are 'shared' with the surrounding green pixels. They are basically tossing out a lot of color information. The contrast on the iPhone definitely needs works, as it's very obvious when compared with an N1 or Droid, but folks need to realize that simply cranking up the saturation doesn't make a display 'better'. Some of those color charts look downright garish.

I'm actually getting a bit excited about the higher res now that I've seen some images with text in them. It seems it will allow much finer print which should make the browsing experience better. I think that, and the addition of a flash for the camera will be the two features I find most useful.

Question. If/when they announce the new iPhone, how soon after that can you order it, or will this be one of those "we'll have it available in 3 months" sort of things?
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post #47 of 107
If this rumoured resolution is true, it will be payback time for all the Android fans with their comments about the current iPhone's "low" resolution.

Amoled isn't that good in my subjective opinion the colours look over bright and garish, on the subject of "washed out" the absence of adequate backlighting makes them next to useless in bright light conditions.

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I really don't get your point at all. The screen is high-res, that's great, but it's still an LCD. That means washed out blacks, low contrast, and an overall flat look.

When you've seen a good OLED screen (Nexus One), an LCD just looks weak by comparison. A high-res LCD isn't going to fix that.

As this phone may have the highest resolution screen ever seen on a phone, you are missing that phone's such as Symbian with 640x360, Android & WinMo phone's with 800x400 would be LESS suited to this purpose.

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Wont be able to play the 720p video its supposed to be able to record, at least not in full resolution? Am I missing something?
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Originally Posted by Gandalf the Semi-Coherent View Post

"Why is the iPhone's screen smaller than the iPad?"
"How come I can't create or edit Excel documents on it?"
"Why doesn't the camera come with a telephoto zoom lens?"
"Where's Final Cut Pro?"
"How come there's no app to connect to the Hubble Space Telescope?"
"Why won't AT&T let me make calls for free so I don't have to use their service?"
"Why isn't Steve Jobs' cell number pre-installed in the Contacts?"

And finally...

"Where's Flash?"

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You forgot, "Why doesn't my right speaker work?"
post #49 of 107
I can't believe the number of people in this thread who take the time to respond to the blather of trolls like kotatsu and Stevie.

Give up, folks. These guys thrive on pulling your chains.
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Counting the days as my poor little 3G strains under the stress of all I demand of it.
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960x640 IPS display should offer a noticable difference compared to the 3GS in certain applications on the Iphone like reading, pictures etc. As for comparing it to OLED, since an IPHONE gets used in many different environments with different types of light and angles at this point in time this may be the OVERALL way to go. Perhaps down the road the shortcomings and limited supply of OLED screens can be overcome.
I'm hopeful that this screen achieves the color boost because of the high pixel density.
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Screen burn-in is also an issue with some OLED displays. I'm not sure if Samsung's Super AMOLED solves that or not. Google specifically warns of possible screen burn in the Nexus One manual so it's something to consider. Between this, outdoor viewing problems, and supply problems it seems pretty obvious why Apple would avoid OLED right now. Figure they need to produce 30-40M iPhones this year. That's way too many devices to risk to screen burn-in or supply problems. Just not worth the risk.
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...and limited supply of OLED screens can be overcome.

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...and supply problems it seems pretty obvious why Apple would avoid OLED right now.

Despite all the glaring technical reasons why OLED isn't a great fit they all pale in comparison to the elephant in the room. Even if it was the best technical option in every single way, if you can't get enough displays to fill suit your needs it's a non-option.
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There is room for a better display, but their notebook displays are not crappy.

The TN Apple laptop screens with LED backlight are complete garbage. 99% of them have a yellow tint in the bottom of the screen. It sucks. So yes I wish they'd use IPS in everything from iPhone to MacBook Pro!!

Also if the dpi goes up...Apps and OS will be designed for it, so if you hook the iPhone to TV to play movies or presentations they'll look better and have higher resolution.

As to where is USB, I think that would be great. But Apple makes lots of money selling stupid adapters. So that is that.

Is is still the case that you can't hook a keyboard up to an iPhone? What'd be great is to be able to turn it into a laptop by hooking up a Bluetooth keyboard and hooking it up to a monitor or TV.
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The TN Apple laptop screens with LED backlight are complete garbage. 99% of them have a yellow tint in the bottom of the screen. It sucks. So yes I wish they'd use IPS in everything from iPhone to MacBook Pro!!

99%, eh? Hyperbole, much? In other words well over 3 MILLION per quarter. Why don't you back that up with some proof?

Anecdotally, I have several Macs this year and purchase several Macs per year for various reasons without a single incident. While I'm sure the issue does exist as it does with all complex CE made on multiple assembly lines by multiple vendors it's not the issue you claim it to be. In all likelihood it's much closer to being less than 1% than all but 1%.

Since you've deemed yourself some sort of expert on this display issue [I]conspiracy[/I, which display vendor can offer Apple that many IPS displays per quarter at the same price and power usage as their current displays?

Why aren't IPS displays rampant on all notebooks, or at least the ones trying to compete for Apple's business if these are so viable. Surely offering a 15" and 17" IPS display on a Pro notebook would turn some heads for photo and video professionals.

Why is HP only just now releasing this month an IPS display for a select model of notebook as an high-end addition? Why have I read that it will cost ~$550 for this DreamColor option? If this is a option for an already expensive EliteBook is it possible that it's like OLED technology in that Apple's volume per model is exceedingly too high to support their needs?

Why haven't you already answered these questions since you are so well versed in the tech and surely know that these are the common questions to be asked? If you can find me proof that 99% of all MBPs sold have faulty displays and can find IPS displays for ~13", ~15", ~17" from all major OEMs then I'll buy you a Bugatti Veyron.

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Also if the dpi goes up...Apps and OS will be designed for it, so if you hook the iPhone to TV to play movies or presentations they'll look better and have higher resolution.

The resolution of the iPhone's display is independent of the system's maximum actual and allowable resolution for video to an external display. Note that you can add and play video over 480x320 resolution.

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As to where is USB, I think that would be great. But Apple makes lots of money selling stupid adapters. So that is that.

And yet I grab the original cable or iPod that used USB syncing and charging from any current iDevice or the sync cable it comes with. Other vendors should allow this much backwards compatiblity with their devices.

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Is is still the case that you can't hook a keyboard up to an iPhone? What'd be great is to be able to turn it into a laptop by hooking up a Bluetooth keyboard and hooking it up to a monitor or TV.

With v4.0 you can use the iPad keyboard dock and Bluetooth keyboards, but there are only esoteric scenarios that can really make you of using that setup on a regular basis.
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post #56 of 107
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I really don't get your point at all. The screen is high-res, that's great, but it's still an LCD. That means washed out blacks, low contrast, and an overall flat look.

When you've seen a good OLED screen (Nexus One), an LCD just looks weak by comparison. A high-res LCD isn't going to fix that.

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There's this thing in the CE design called "trade offs", I'm sure you're familiar with it. ...

In general, the OLED craze strikes me as analogous to building audio systems with very heavy base response-- immediately appealing to a certain demographic but at the cost of musicality and accuracy.

At any rate, it's easy to forever judge Apple by they what don't choose instead of what they do. Since every manufacturer must make tradeoffs, there will always be something sacrificed in favor of something else. All you have to do is decide that the thing sacrificed is the most important and best thing and Apple loses again! But then, you already know that, as a devotee of the technique.

Thank you 'addabox' for the long version of the answer for 'kotatsu' comment before..
But 'kotatsu', didn't you read the AI article first before commenting? The answer is obviously already written in the article above:

"Unlike the AMOLED panel used by Google's Nexus One, the iPhone's new screen will feature the same regular, uniform grid of red, green and blue display elements. The Nexus One's screen uses a "PenTile" grid, reportedly to reduce costs, which packs smaller green pixel components between red and blue elements. This irregular arrangement of subpixel elements results in the Nexus One providing a less accurate display of lines on the screen.

The IPS screen technology Apple uses (from the iMac to the iPad) provides wide viewing angles, a more accurate color gamut, and fewer potential problems in production. OLED screens are plagued with manufacturing issues, production is constrained, and nobody is manufacturing the screens in large numbers."


AMOLED is a newer technology than the LCD, but that doesn't necessary mean it's better than the old technologies.
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I can't believe the number of people in this thread who take the time to respond to the blather of trolls like kotatsu and Stevie.

Give up, folks. These guys thrive on pulling your chains.

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I can't believe you're taking the time to comment on people taking the time to comment.

Because it's fun..?*

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Screen burn-in is also an issue with some OLED displays. I'm not sure if Samsung's Super AMOLED solves that or not. Google specifically warns of possible screen burn in the Nexus One manual so it's something to consider. Between this, outdoor viewing problems, and supply problems it seems pretty obvious why Apple would avoid OLED right now. Figure they need to produce 30-40M iPhones this year. That's way too many devices to risk to screen burn-in or supply problems. Just not worth the risk.

Agree..
In the AI article above, it's already been said:

"OLED screens are plagued with manufacturing issues, production is constrained, and nobody is manufacturing the screens in large numbers."

Palm had a real pain in the ass problem supplying the Pre for Sprint on its launch day, and even afterwards, causing a huge backlash on the hype of the Pre itself built since its first introduction at CES 2009.

Apple is indeed a cutting-tech company who always produce the best hardwares that can be found on the market, but to adopt the newest screen display technology out there for its most popular device (which also now generates the highest profit income for the company) along with its problems, is just simply ridiculous.

Like you said it: "It just not worth the risk."
Spot on..!
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Ok, so it's not the resolution that decides whether you can play 720p or not? Is that apple?

The iPad won't play 720p because it is not widescreen. While it has 720 lines, the width is insufficient when watching HD material, so fewer vertical lines are available..
post #60 of 107
Fonts should look beautiful on that thing. Like paper.
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I can't believe the number of people in this thread who take the time to respond to the blather of trolls like kotatsu and Stevie.

Give up, folks. These guys thrive on pulling your chains.

Your definition of a troll must be someone who hasn't drunk the Apple fanboy juice I assume?

Look, I've spent a lot of money with Apple over the years and I have a house with a lot of Apple kit in it. But I'm not a blinkered fanboy. I also own a PC, an Xbox, a PS3, a PSP, a DS, think blu-ray is a great format, am impressed by the OLED screen in the Nexus One and Android, and am a fan of open source and free marketplaces.

When Apple do something great I'll applaud them, but they just haven't done anything great since the iPhone 3G. 3GS was lazy, the current iMac are an overpriced joke (no BD drive, no USB 3, no eSATA, seriously?!), the iPad is spectacularly lazy, and I hate the way Jobs runs the app store and treats developers like trash.

So I'm not a fanboy or a troll, just someone who wishes Apple were better than they are.

Oh and iTunes is without a doubt my most hated application of all time. It boggles the mind how Apple could release something so astonishingly poor.
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When Apple do something great I'll applaud them, but they just haven't done anything great since the iPhone 3G. 3GS was lazy, the current iMac are an overpriced joke (no BD drive, no USB 3, no eSATA, seriously?!), the iPad is spectacularly lazy, and I hate the way Jobs runs the app store and treats developers like trash.

So I'm not a fanboy or a troll, just someone who wishes Apple were better than they are.

Oh and iTunes is without a doubt my most hated application of all time. It boggles the mind how Apple could release something so astonishingly poor.

But you haven't fully address your comment about the OLED display yet, and now you're making it worse (for yourself to be attacked by Apple fans, this is an Apple-centric forum after all) by dishing on other Apple's products..
I'm interested to know why though..

Why are you calling iPhone 3GS and iPad lazy? What do you mean by lazy?
Why do you hate iTunes the most?

It's astonishing, especially for me, because many Apple competitors out there are trying to catch up with what Apple has now on its products. Every mobile manufacturers are still trying to build what they call as "iPhone-killer", but still no avail. Not to mention now, everyone in the industry is trying to build a tablet, after the iPad seen as and proven to be a successful product. Apple did it first, and the rest are trying to catch up..
To me, the others are lazy while Apple has done the most work..

For iMac, well.. can't argue that it is expensive.

While for iTunes, well.. it has became the most used music player in the market up to today, and surely it happened for a good reason: because everyone like using it. And the most important question is: do you also still use iTunes now? \
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HP sells a notebook with an IPS display

My 2.5 years old Sony Vaio has 90% NTSC color gamut and deep blacks. My two weeks old MacBook Pro has 73% NTSC color gamut and black looks gray. The TN panel in MBP is totally horrible.

And I can't read the display of my iPhone 3GS in bright sunlight.
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My 2.5 years old Sony Vaio has 90% NTSC color gamut and deep blacks. My two weeks old MacBook Pro has 73% NTSC color gamut and black looks gray. The TN panel in MBP is totally horrible.

And I can't read the display of my iPhone 3GS in bright sunlight.

I've gone from Dell Inspiron to Macbook White to MBP (hoipefully arriving tmrw).

The Dell had an IPS 15.4 inch screen. That was six years ago. The Macbook screen was ghastly off axis, to the extent the top and the bottom of screen were different. This, even after the screen was replacement toward the end of the three year warranty period. Hopefully the MBP will be better.

Seeing the iphone and 4x resolution will be interesting. My friend's contract is due in a couple of month and he's getting one. I didn't drink the kool aid till september last year on iphone so it's 3GS for at least another 12 months for me.
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I can't believe the number of people in this thread who take the time to respond to the blather of trolls like kotatsu and Stevie.

Give up, folks. These guys thrive on pulling your chains.

I just got a warning from the Mods and a penalty point just for replying to a troll once - In fact I didn't I referenced one to another poster that's all. Maybe the Mods should add a Troll Icon to their posts so innocent posters know not to reply.
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Me too. That's what (in OSX) Command-Option-Control-8 is for!

Thanks for that! I've been using OS X since day 1, and never new that...

Got any other hidden jewels, or a link to where I can find them?

You made my day!

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My 2.5 years old Sony Vaio has 90% NTSC color gamut and deep blacks. My two weeks old MacBook Pro has 73% NTSC color gamut and black looks gray. The TN panel in MBP is totally horrible..

Let's see. Virtually every published review of the MBPs raves about how great the screens are.

An anonymous poster on AI (who may or may not actually have an MBP) says it's terrible.

Who to believe?
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post #68 of 107
The 4g is shaping up to be the leap forward people expected last year. I think the best on the market right now is 800x480. This will be crisp as a tac!
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Let's see. Virtually every published review of the MBPs raves about how great the screens are.

An anonymous poster on AI (who may or may not actually have an MBP) says it's terrible.

Who to believe?

http://www.displayblog.com/2009/01/0...7-macbook-pro/
Contrast ratio of 700:1 is excellent and is much better than the typical 500:1 that you see. 60% greater color gamut amounts to 72% NTSC since average notebook PC LCDs sport a 45% NTSC color gamut. A 72% NTSC color gamut is what you see in typical LCD monitors and LCD TVs. I’m sure the 17″ MBP will look fantastic compared to other notebook PCs.



This is the kind of crap that needs to go. If he had 1000 posts, would you have not been such a jerk about it?

duhhh hmmm, who to believe. Not like I could google it for 5 seconds....
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"Waah! LCD came out in the 1970s. I can't believe Apple is using a technology from the 1970s. They always screw their customers with this crappy outdated tech.

So what does that say about us human losers using four round things to drive our cars around on after tens of thousands of years?
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Originally Posted by foljs View Post

ACTUAL tests and reviews show that the LCD screen is BETTER.

http://www.displaymate.com/Nexus_iPhone_ShootOut.htm

Many of the OLED's shortcomings were software-related, though. I'd be interested in seeing that test redone with 2.2 on the same device vs. the next gen iPhone.
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Let's see. Virtually every published review of the MBPs raves about how great the screens are.

Look past his douchebaggery, and he's right about one thing: the Sony Vaio does have a significantly broader color gamut than the MBP.

This doesn't make the MBP screen "horrible" by any stretch of the imagination, of course. It just makes them worse than the Vaio's.
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I am aware that this is off topic, but here's a great article I just came across:

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If this rumoured resolution is true, it will be payback time



Wow. Just...Wow.
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Me too. That's what (in OSX) Command-Option-Control-8 is for!


You've made my day ... been on this mac for over 3 years and never knew of this "trick" (I'm not "newbee" for nothing) ... cool! ..... Thanks ....
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AMOLED is a newer technology than the LCD, but that doesn't necessary mean it's better than the old technologies.
..thank you very much..


Seemingly, like everything else, it is better in some ways and less good in others. All this CE stuff is trade-offs.
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The Czech site reported on a screen component it says will be used on the new iPhone, detailing its specifications under a microscope. It compared the high resolution new iPhone panel and its "amazing" 320 pixel per inch display against the existing HTC HD2 (217 ppi), the Verizon/Motorola Droid (265 ppi) and Google's Nexus One (252 pip).

At a reported 960 x 640 resolution, the new display will make it easy for the new model to render existing iPhone apps via pixel doubling, while also giving Apple bragging rights to the highest pixel density on a mainstream smartphone screen.

Oh, a microscope. That''s indeed very important. Not having known that, I was pretty sure regular blogger could not tell 960x640 from 1024x768; and the latter is a lot easier to produce.

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Does this mean iPhone and iPad can now run the same "HD" apps? This will be great so I don't have to buy 2 copies of the same app, one for the iPhone and the HD version for the iPad.
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Does this mean iPhone and iPad can now run the same "HD" apps? This will be great so I don't have to buy 2 copies of the same app, one for the iPhone and the HD version for the iPad.

A higher resolution display on the iPhone will not assist in using the "same" app. They still have very different size displays and aspect ratios. Think about it, elements designed for your finger on the iPad would be very tiny on the iPhone.

However, Apple did build their SDK to allow devs to build Universal apps that are one app that will work ideally on both the iPhone/Touch and iPad.
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Does this mean iPhone and iPad can now run the same "HD" apps? This will be great so I don't have to buy 2 copies of the same app, one for the iPhone and the HD version for the iPad.

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A higher resolution display on the iPhone will not assist in using the "same" app. They still have very different size displays and aspect ratios. Think about it, elements designed for your finger on the iPad would be very tiny on the iPhone.

However, Apple did build their SDK to allow devs to build Universal apps that are one app that will work ideally on both the iPhone/Touch and iPad.


It's more than just display size and aspect ratio!

Some have said that: "the iPad is just a big iPod Touch." But it's not as, others have said: "that's like saying a swimming pool is just a big bathtub."

The additional real estate opens all kinds of possibilities.

Consider:

-- in a bathtub your toys are pretty much limited to a rubber ducky, in the pool you can choose among inner tubes, lounge/drink carriers, water volley ball sets, slides, etc.

-- in the pool you can have lots of participants. doing various thiings... the tub is more limited to how many and what they can do

-- laps are a lot easier in the bathtub.

-- in the pool you can, likely, get away with wizzin' in the water... the bathtub, not so much.


Seriously, some apps can benefit from the additional real-estate:

-- games can have additional controls

-- drill-down apps can show several levels of data concurrently, instead of just 1

-- productivity apps can display (normally on) tool bars rather than popups


You really need to re-think an iphone app before porting it to an iPad (and soon, a 4G iPhone).

Fortunately, as Sol. points out, the iPhone SDK, has provisions for "Universal" apps: where the same core application code can exploit the different displays in a straight-forward and consistent way. This tends to isolate the differences in UI and navigation/application flow, while preserving the structure of the application.

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