Originally Posted by Sofabutt
Knowing the Feds are on the job is such a comfort. Only good can come from this...
I'm still waiting for someone to report this without quoting the New York Post. Doesn't the Times have some sources, what about the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal. they have no sources at the DoJ that can give them the scoop on this. that seems odd.
Originally Posted by lkrupp
And as for having an iPad monopoly, where are the iPad "killers" anyway? You mean to say that because nobody else has yet chosen to produce a competing product a monopoly exists?
I believe you mean a 'tablet monopoly' and yes the ipad does have one. however monopolies aren't inherently evil. it's all in how you get there. if it is by having the most popular of the market, then that's fine. So long as you don't then abuse the gift you've been given.
Originally Posted by Banalltv
How about Adobe using it's virtual monopoly to twist people's arms into paying for useless updates every year and a half?
i wouldn't go so far as to call them useless, but yes it does seem like they are way overpriced. and yes perhaps they are using their natural monopoly in ways that are open attempts to block other innovations and perhaps that should be looked at
Originally Posted by Doctor David
You seem to be playing fast and loose in order to make your argument.
Microsoft doesn't have dominance, it has a monopoly.
actually it has both.
Originally Posted by Jerseymac
I wonder if Pystar is watching this and thinks it's time to test the water with more clones again.
only if they are morons. because this is apples to oranges (pardon the pun). no effect on that whole bit of nasty
I say cut the crap Apple, put Flash on the iPad with a kill switch. <snipped>
That should make everyone happy, including Apple who will get even richer.
more like burden Apple with dealing with a substandard tech. There's no working Flash on any tablet or mobile device at this point. now when that changes, perhaps the argument would work.
Originally Posted by rickag
I agree, except for nit pick on the last sentence. Apple isn't preventing Amazons deal of the day - Apple is only refusing to spend their hard work and money developing marketing and advertising for songs that Amazon wil capture hundreds of thousands of songs before Apple can even sell one of those songs.
minor correction. At the time that the advance sales existed (apparently Amazon recently dropped that as a requirement in the program) it was before ANYONE else could sell the item. Online or Brick and Mortar.
Originally Posted by Stevie
But they might be found to dominate the mobile app retail market. That is more likely.
the trouble there is that mobile apps aren't flexible. you can no more use an iphone app on an android (and vice versa) than you can use a PSP game on an Xbox.
Originally Posted by jragosta
Apple should have simply said "Adobe has never delivered a version of Flash which works on the iPhone" and left it at that.
and even now they could say "Adobe has not delivered a mobile version of Flash that meets our quality requirements to ensure no negative impact on our users"
OK. So what's the problem? If as people are arguing, Apple's not offering Flash on the iPhone is a bad thing, it helps the competition.
indeed, much of the growth of HTML5 etc has been because Apple doesn't have Flash on the iphone etc.
Nonsense. The law has always allowed for things like only offering advertising allowances if the partner complies with your rules. As long as you're not a monopoly and demanding better terms than anyone else, it's perfectly legal.
That's just it. Amazon was demanding better terms via an earlier release date than all other sellers. And it could be argued that they were using their strong position in online retail to get those terms.
Originally Posted by jmmx
Personally, I have trouble seeing a serious financial interest here. There are two parts to Flash issue - no Flash Player on iPhone OS, and not allowing Flash derivative programs on the platform.
there is a minor error in your last bit. One that a lot of folks make.
It isn't just Flash. It's anything that isn't the specific languages Apple has spelled out in the agreement. No Flash, No Java, etc. so it really is not an Apple v Adobe issue.
Actually, Apple is loosing money in this so-called "Flash war." One of the biggest excuses for not wanting to buy an iPhone or iPad is that it will not play flash.
yeah you hear that a lot among the techno geeks. and yet 2 million ipads have sold in just under 2 months. and how many iphones and ipod touches are out there. several million.
Originally Posted by tawilson
Well Apple use no language at all which prevents an iPhone developer from also developing for other platforms.
they sure don't.
All Apple is doing is preventing you from developing using any other methods for the iPhone OS (i.e. no Cydia etc.)
technically they don't actually block Cydia. they haven't tried to sue etc. And a lot of Cydia apps were made under the Devo program but were rejected by Apple. So in a technical sense they do often work just fine.
All Apple has done is to say that they don't approve of such apps and thus won't support them or any damage their use causes, etc. same as me hacking my DVD player etc voids my warranty.