Originally Posted by SDW2001
You don't know that. In fact, it really makes no difference how long they've gone without attacking a nation. We're dealing with the present.
President Ahmadinejhad is an Islamist, or in the very least..sympathetic to them. The real power is with the TRUE fanatics...the extremist mullahs and ayatollahs. Do you deny their
anti-semitism and desire to destroy the US and Israel?
Why are they fanatics just because they are Shi'i Muslims? Why does that make them extremist?
Extremist from what? Either they are normative Shi'i or they take it further. Actually they are just normal Twelver Shi'i.
I deny their ant-semitism actually. What happens now?
In the very least, President A. has made inflammatory comments wrt to Israel and the holocaust itself. He himself is a holocaust denier. He wraps his beliefs in the more politically correct tones of "researching what really happened." He has openly questioned Israel's right to exist on more than one occasion.
President A has drawn attention to Israel's racism, human rights abuses and general policy of genocide. Well done him.
And now they are enriching uranium. They've claimed it's for civilian nuclear power, which of course is absurd, given that Iran has 135 billion barrels of proven oil reserves--the third largest in the world. They continue to defy international agencies and have not cooperated with oversight efforts on their nuclear program. Literally the only reason to believe they are not building a nuclear weapon is because they tell us so.
I don't mind if they do actually. Would be the only thing that would potentially save them. I don't think they'll do it in time even if they start now so it's Goodbye Iran sooner or later.
Which is not surprising given the scum driving the agenda.
You're just making things up now. Tell me...these Neocons...who are they, specifically?
Right. No Neocons. No sir. Just good innocent God-fearing folk down on the farm being threatened by evil muzzlims....
Israel has nuclear weapons as a deterrent. They are surrounded by nations that want to push them into the sea.
Right...and we can't let that happen right? I know...let's push Iran into the sea instead then everyone's happy! Bingo!
Yet another example...
Israel = Human (must not be pushed into sea and we must kill those we claim are trying to)
Iran + Iraq + Palestine + Turkey + assorted ragheads = Inhuman (who cares what we do to these)
Secondly, the probability is much greater than zero. Now.. to a Westerner/secularist, your argument makes perfect sense. That is until one considers that Iran is not being run by secularists. The true power in Iran is held by those who 1) Are extremely anti-semetic,
Laughably, insanely, mind-boggingly wrong.
who have total control
and want to kill all Jews
still seem to be unable to do anything about the thousands of Jews living freely and worshipping in Iranian Synagogues.
Maybe it's because as I've pointed out before (doesn;t seem to sink in):Khomeini met with the Jewish community upon his return from exile in Paris and issued a ''fatwa'' decreeing that the Jews were to be protected. Similar edicts also protect Iran's tiny Christian minority.
Or maybe there is just no antisemitism.
At Palestine Square, opposite a mosque called Al-Aqsa, is a synagogue where Jews of this ancient city gather at dawn. Over the entrance is a banner saying: Congratulations on the 30th anniversary of the Islamic Revolution from the Jewish community of Esfahan.
The Jews of Iran remove their shoes, wind leather straps around their arms to attach phylacteries and take their places. Soon the sinuous murmur of Hebrew prayer courses through the cluttered synagogue with its lovely rugs and unhappy plants. Soleiman Sedighpoor, an antiques dealer with a store full of treasures, leads the service from a podium under a chandelier.
I inquired how he felt about the chants of Death to Israel Marg bar Esraeel that punctuate life in Iran.
Let them say Death to Israel, he said. Ive been in this store 43 years and never had a problem. Ive visited my relatives in Israel, but when I see something like the attack on Gaza, I demonstrate, too, as an Iranian.
Still a mystery hovers over Irans Jews. Its important to decide whats more significant: the annihilationist anti-Israel ranting, the Holocaust denial and other Iranian provocations or the fact of a Jewish community living, working and worshipping in relative tranquillity.
Perhaps I have a bias toward facts over words, but I say the reality of Iranian civility toward Jews tells us more about Iran its sophistication and culture than all the inflammatory rhetoric.
That may be because Im a Jew and have seldom been treated with such consistent warmth as in Iran. Or perhaps I was impressed that the fury over Gaza, trumpeted on posters and Iranian TV, never spilled over into insults or violence toward Jews. Or perhaps its because Im convinced the Mad Mullah caricature of Iran and likening of any compromise with it to Munich 1938 a position popular in some American Jewish circles is misleading and dangerous.
I asked Morris Motamed, once the Jewish member of the Majlis, if he felt he was used, an Iranian quisling. I dont, he replied. In fact I feel deep tolerance here toward Jews. He said Death to Israel chants bother him, but went on to criticize the double standards that allow Israel, Pakistan and India to have a nuclear bomb, but not Iran.
Or maybe SDW knows better than the Jews in the Synagogues there, better then the (Jewish) journalist who wrote it, better then all the people who have visited Iran so many times.
Yes, that must be it. They're all lying. Or wrong. Or stupid.
2) Believe that it is their religious duty to facilitate the return of the 12th Imam and 3) The WAY to facilitate said return involves Armageddon.
I happen to have a postgraduate degree impinging on the area of Shi'i conceptions of the Occultation of the Hidden Iman and I fail to see any legitimate source for this contention.
Could you please point to the relevant Shi'i authorities from whence you derive this idea? Or did you read it on some wingnut blog?
I believe I have said before that Shi'ism is essentially fatalistic and revolves to a certain extent around a belief that fate is mapped out...
Could you please explain how a philosophical system can square the circle of pre-destiny and 'making something happen' by taking certain actions? And where in the Qur'an would you derive this position from?
I wonder how that might be provoked? Read the book of revelations, anyone?
Ooh ooh me..me!! I've read it!!! Can I answer??? Please?? Umm...what's the question again?? You're drifting......
Nothing but a conspiracy theory here. You're partying like it's 2005.
That's highly debatable.
Debate it then...