Why are they fanatics just because they are Shi'i Muslims? Why does that make them extremist?
Extremist from what? Either they are normative Shi'i or they take it further. Actually they are just normal Twelver Shi'i.
I deny their ant-semitism actually. What happens now?
There you go again...semantics. I say extremist, and you say normative. Ba-da-bump!
Let me spell it out for you: You have people in power who consider it their duty--their very purpose in life--to facilitate the Hidden Iman's return. From my understanding, the belief is that His return will come after a period of bloodshed, chaos, etc. These same people are developing nuclear weapons and yes, threatening Israel--at least indirectly.
You see no problem whatsoever with this?
President A has drawn attention to Israel's racism, human rights abuses and general policy of genocide. Well done him.
Genocide? That's absurd. As for the other terms, that is your view and you are certainly welcome to it. I won't get into that debate at the moment. However, your response has nothing to do with the part of mine you quoted. Ahmadinejhad is a holocaust denier. I'll say it...anyone that denies or diminishes the Holocaust is an anti-semite. Period.
I don't mind if they do actually. Would be the only thing that would potentially save them. I don't think they'll do it in time even if they start now so it's Goodbye Iran sooner or later.
Which is not surprising given the scum driving the agenda.
Don't you understand? Israel would not even consider attacking Iran if they were not working towards a nuclear weapon, and if Iran was not making at least indirect/rhetorical threats against Israel. Developing a nuclear weapon is the surest way for Iran to be attacked.
Right. No Neocons. No sir. Just good innocent God-fearing folk down on the farm being threatened by evil muzzlims....
It's unfortunate that you fell you need to put words in my mouth and use stawman-esque statements. I merely asked who these Neocons were. We heard a lot about them when Bush was in office. But no one has named anyone specifically now that we have The Messiah's administration in charge.
Right...and we can't let that happen right? I know...let's push Iran into the sea instead then everyone's happy! Bingo!
Yet another example...
Israel = Human (must not be pushed into sea and we must kill those we claim are trying to)
Iran + Iraq + Palestine + Turkey + assorted ragheads = Inhuman (who cares what we do to these)
Here again, you use a strawman. Is someone advocating pushing Iran into the sea? Is it the secret group of Neocons again? Is it the President? Members of the US Congress? The ubiquitous They? I would sure love to know who these warmongering racists are!
Laughably, insanely, mind-boggingly wrong.
These antisemites who have total control and want to kill all Jews still seem to be unable to do anything about the thousands of Jews living freely and worshipping in Iranian Synagogues.
Maybe it's because as I've pointed out before (doesn;t seem to sink in):
Khomeini met with the Jewish community upon his return from exile in Paris and issued a ''fatwa'' decreeing that the Jews were to be protected. Similar edicts also protect Iran's tiny Christian minority.
Or maybe there is just no antisemitism.
Or maybe SDW knows better than the Jews in the Synagogues there, better then the (Jewish) journalist who wrote it, better then all the people who have visited Iran so many times.
I never claimed the entire nation was anti-semitic or that there were no Jews is Iran. I never claimed Jews were being rounded up and exterminated. What I did claim is that many in the government of Iran are anti-semitic. Why else would we see such an anti-Israeli stance? Do you believe it is merely the (ever-changing) government of Israel? Or are the Jews incapable of electing a government of humans?
I happen to have a postgraduate degree impinging on the area of Shi'i conceptions of the Occultation of the Hidden Iman and I fail to see any legitimate source for this contention.
Could you please point to the relevant Shi'i authorities from whence you derive this idea? Or did you read it on some wingnut blog?
I believe I have said before that Shi'ism is essentially fatalistic and revolves to a certain extent around a belief that fate is mapped out...
Could you please explain how a philosophical system can square the circle of pre-destiny and 'making something happen' by taking certain actions? And where in the Qur'an would you derive this position from?
Ooh ooh me..me!! I've read it!!! Can I answer??? Please?? Umm...what's the question again?? You're drifting......
Debate it then...
I think I've stated the issue clearly, but I'll do so again.
Rumours abound of Mr Ahmadinejad's devotion to the 12th Imam, and last year it was reported that he had persuaded his cabinet to sign a "contract" pledging themselves to work for his return.
Another example of his messianic tendencies surfaced after 108 people were killed in an aircraft crash in Teheran. Mr Ahmadinejad praised the victims, saying: "What is important is that they have shown the way to martyrdom which we must follow."
Now, I certainly don't have your credentials. But, are you saying that devote Shi'i Muslims believe differently than I've stated?---they DON'T wish to facilitate his return...and that such a a return will NOT come after a period of chaos, war, bloodshed, etc? Further, you don't see a problem with said believers pursuing nuclear weapons in a highly unstable part of the world?