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Global anticipation of the launch of the next generation iPhone is gaining enough momentum that even pictures of its chassis and battery are being discussed on blogs worldwide, from Portugal to Taiwan.

Bodies in Portugal

A report by iPhone Portugal depicted the iPhone 4's purported unibody construction as being very similar to the MacBook Pro and iPad, in a pair of Portuguese videos subtitled in English (below).

The site says the two identical aluminum bodies it presented were purchased by a reader in China for an undisclosed sum. It described the parts as being very light, beautiful and elegant, and said the body "seems to be made in mass production."

The parts appear to match the component breakdown presented by Gizmodo, and the leaked prototype phone that showed up in Vietnam.





Battery in Taiwan

A second report by Apple Pro in Taiwan depicted the iPhone 4's battery.

The site noted that the new battery is rated at 5.25 Watthours, compared to the previous iPhone 3GS' 4.51Wh battery, a 16.5% increase in delivered storage. The site also depicted the new phone's internal connection to the Dock Connector.

While the number of "leaks" surrounding the next iPhone seems to be much higher than usual, it is more likely that the worldwide interest in the iPhone is simply drawing attention to parts that nobody would have considered newsworthy in the past, just as there are few notable occurrences of Android phones being dissected and subsequently receiving any sort of global web traffic from interested viewers.
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With the number of components showing online, it will be just a short time before we can just build our own DIY iPhone. \
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so a removable battery is not in the cards, right?
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so a removable battery is not in the cards, right?

No, it's clear that apple is moving away from removable battery on laptops and other portables. And so far, at least for me, no problem. I haven't even had to need to get a dongle or battery case.
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While the number of "leaks" surrounding the next iPhone seems to be much higher than usual, it is more likely that the worldwide interest in the iPhone is simply drawing attention to parts that nobody would have considered newsworthy in the past, just as there are few notable occurrences of Android phones being dissected and subsequently receiving any sort of global web traffic from interested viewers.

There is worldwide interest because there is only ONE Iphone released a year, no? If there was only one Android equipped phone released a year, we would see similar interest, no doubt. But since there are multiple Android handsets issued on multiple carriers, interest is naturally dispersed--less intense.
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I still don't believe that the iPhone will have screws on the bottom... its so un-apple....
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I still don't believe that the iPhone will have screws on the bottom... its so un-apple....

The 3G and 3GS both have screws, though I too would have guessed Apple would be moving away from their visible inclusion.
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I still don't believe that the iPhone will have screws on the bottom... its so un-apple....

The 3GS does have screws on the bottom. I guess they make servicing the battery easier.
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so a removable battery is not in the cards, right?

Oh the battery is removable - just not by you - at least if you want to keep your warranty.
Sorry I could not help myself.

I don't think a replaceable battery is in the future. I think the goal is to get the power consumption down and keep the performance constantly improving(which they have done and incredible job at).

I like what is being done and do not find a need for replaceable battery myself.
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yes, I knew there was no removable battery, just trying to be sarcastic. With all the new cameras with flash on this thing, it would seem to need more than the small increase in battery power. We'll have to live with SJ view of the best phone product in the universe, although I think as the enterprise starts to use these, the lack of a removable battery will be the biggest complaint, and one Apple refuses to listen to.
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yes, I knew there was no removable battery, just trying to be sarcastic. With all the new cameras with flash on this thing, it would seem to need more than the small increase in battery power. We'll have to live with SJ view of the best phone product in the universe, although I think as the enterprise starts to use these, the lack of a removable battery will be the biggest complaint, and one Apple refuses to listen to.

My wife uses a Droid Eris, my dad uses a Bold 9700, my father-in-law uses a Touch Pro 2, and the rest of my family and in-laws use some combination of iPhones, feature phones, and basic dumb phones. All but the iPhone have replaceable batteries, and none of them have a second battery. It is inconvenient to carry around a spare battery or two, and just having the ability to say you can does make it any more convenient or useful. Apple has the right approach: keep things simple, and use the space required for the mechanics of a removable battery to build... a BIGGER battery! I much prefer this method than having a battery door that is bending off or cracked 6 months after purchase.
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My wife uses a Droid Eris, my dad uses a Bold 9700, my father-in-law uses a Touch Pro 2, and the rest of my family and in-laws use some combination of iPhones, feature phones, and basic dumb phones. All but the iPhone have replaceable batteries, and none of them have a second battery. It is inconvenient to carry around a spare battery or two, and just having the ability to say you can does make it any more convenient or useful. Apple has the right approach: keep things simple, and use the space required for the mechanics of a removable battery to build... a BIGGER battery! I much prefer this method than having a battery door that is bending off or cracked 6 months after purchase.

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My wife uses a Droid Eris, my dad uses a Bold 9700, my father-in-law uses a Touch Pro 2, and the rest of my family and in-laws use some combination of iPhones, feature phones, and basic dumb phones. All but the iPhone have replaceable batteries, and none of them have a second battery. It is inconvenient to carry around a spare battery or two, and just having the ability to say you can does make it any more convenient or useful. Apple has the right approach: keep things simple, and use the space required for the mechanics of a removable battery to build... a BIGGER battery! I much prefer this method than having a battery door that is bending off or cracked 6 months after purchase.

Well said. In all my many years of owning a phone, I've never bought a spare battery. I have never known anyone to buy a replacement / additional battery for their phones either.

Apple has the right approach. Please 98% of the users. The 2% will ALWAYS find something trivial to comment on.
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Well said. In all my many years of owning a phone, I've never bought a spare battery. I have never known anyone to buy a replacement / additional battery for their phones either.

I did! My first cell phone years ago (something from Motorola). I bought an extra battery simply because it seemed like a good idea at the time.

I don't recall that I ever used it - other than swapping it out a few times to make sure I always had the spare fully charged.

I agree 100% - there's no need for a replaceable battery. If you really can't live with the battery life, carrying an external battery pack is no less convenient than a spare internal one.
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I did! My first cell phone years ago (something from Motorola). I bought an extra battery simply because it seemed like a good idea at the time.

I don't recall that I ever used it - other than swapping it out a few times to make sure I always had the spare fully charged.

I agree 100% - there's no need for a replaceable battery. If you really can't live with the battery life, carrying an external battery pack is no less convenient than a spare internal one.

Was that Motorola a RAZR or a variant? Or was it a smartphone (for the time)? If it was a feature phone, then that might skew your view a bit. Those things have nothing that would eat away your battery as smartphones today do. I could charge up my old Samsung feature phone and I can make it about a week before seeing the low battery warning.

I have to say that the only thing that gives an extra battery a "leg up" is you get to keep the phone clean. Meaning that you don't have something extra hanging off of the side or bottom of the phone. Some of those boosters that attach via the port on the bottom won't fit if you have a case on (granted, some are cases themselves).

To some people, having a clean phone it's reason enough to get an extra battery. For others (like you), it's not that big of a deal.
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...although I think as the enterprise starts to use these, the lack of a removable battery will be the biggest complaint, and one Apple refuses to listen to.

There are a host of elegant external battery solutions that you just snap into the dock port at the bottom of the iPhone. They recharge the iPhone about halfway within ten minutes, at which point they can be put back in your pocket and recharged when you get a chance. You can also use the iPhone immediately while these are plugged in, and they are nice and unobtrusive. So, there's your spare battery solution for business people. And there goes the biggest complaint, right out the window.

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I did! My first cell phone years ago (something from Motorola). I bought an extra battery simply because it seemed like a good idea at the time.

I don't recall that I ever used it - other than swapping it out a few times to make sure I always had the spare fully charged.

I agree 100% - there's no need for a replaceable battery. If you really can't live with the battery life, carrying an external battery pack is no less convenient than a spare internal one.

The option of a REMOVABLE BATTERY is a Plus no matter how you look at it. For some it's necessary as job & time don't permit for intraday recharging. Also with continuous charging the lenght of time you battery will give you decreases. (Apple battery has a life of 250 recharges)So a removable battery would save the inconvenience & cost of Apple replacement. In any event No replaceable battery till 7G (LOL) so we can just hope that the 4G lasts longer.
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

While the number of "leaks" surrounding the next iPhone seems to be much higher than usual, it is more likely that the worldwide interest in the iPhone is simply drawing attention to parts that nobody would have considered newsworthy in the past, just as there are few notable occurrences of Android phones being dissected and subsequently receiving any sort of global web traffic from interested viewers.

Loved the jab at android phones.

As to the guy who said that this is because there's only one released every year, instead of many like the android phones, what a fallacious argument. So if porche released five or so new models per year and kia released one, do you think that the world would completely ignore spy photos of prototypes from porche and focuse solely on the single kia model? Similarly even if there were 5 iphones a year and 1 android phone, the iphones would still gather more interest, because they are on the whole better and more desirable devices.
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The option of a REMOVABLE BATTERY is a Plus no matter how you look at it. For some it's necessary as job & time don't permit for intraday recharging. Also with continuous charging the lenght of time you battery will give you decreases. (Apple battery has a life of 250 recharges)So a removable battery would save the inconvenience & cost of Apple replacement. In any event No replaceable battery till 7G (LOL) so we can just hope that the 4G lasts longer.

No it isn't and you dont understand fundamental battery tech and assembly of mobile devices. I you integrate the battery you can fit it very tightly and gain about 10-15% in performance, as well as gaining in compactness, slimness and robustness of the end product. All of which are desirable in mobile devices. Your point is also rendered irrelevant as the macs now have 8 hour batteries, and the iphones have very capable batteries too. What makes it even more irrelevant is that you can always carry a powerful battery pack, they are slim, pocketable, miniscule, and they you can stick it on the iphone's port and use the phone or have it charge your battery in a few minutes and then you can take it off.

Idiotic ideas of making the device bulkier, having some crap crack prone back plate that mechanically comes off to allow the very occasional battery swap, while at the same time compromising performance, size and robustness (when all along you have the option for those rare need to stick a battery in the connector) are an anachronism.

But that was the accepted wisdom for a long time in mobile phones, and apple ignored the whining of the misinformed or the lure of tec sheets (we have removable battery too, hurraahhh!), and with an effective stroke ended another mishap of the tech industry. But still the nexus one was touted as having a replaceable battery, and where is the nexus one now?
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No it isn't and you dont understand fundamental battery tech and assembly of mobile devices. I you integrate the battery you can fit it very tightly and gain about 10-15% in performance...

Opinions aside, I'm curious how you came to you claim in those numbers.
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Opinions aside, I'm curious how you came to you claim in those numbers.

These are rough estimates of course, but I derived them from the measurable battery improvements the macbook pros got when they switched from user removable to integrated batteries.

Btw, I disagree with the opinions aside comment, it's not a matter of opinion what I and the others have said above, they are matters of fact. It's not a matter of opinion what you said for example that you are doomed to have the external battery pack sticking out, it's a matter of fact, and it's inaccurate. Since most of these packs in a few minutes can charge your phone's internal battery, and then you put them in your pocket again and there's nothing sticking out.
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The option of a REMOVABLE BATTERY is a Plus no matter how you look at it. For some it's necessary as job & time don't permit for intraday recharging. Also with continuous charging the lenght of time you battery will give you decreases. (Apple battery has a life of 250 recharges)So a removable battery would save the inconvenience & cost of Apple replacement. In any event No replaceable battery till 7G (LOL) so we can just hope that the 4G lasts longer.

I have a macbook with replaceable battery that is 4 years old and i never once replaced the battery. Apple simplified the device and made batteries last longer than any other machine in their class. If your batteries are that good, you don't need to swap them. And if you travel, there are inexpensive external battery dongle solutions. Win win or those who like simplicity and those few 2% that need the extra battery time.

Look for the dvd players on the macbook pros to go away also, that is, as soon as new appletv comes out of course. better start ripping those old dvd with handbrake
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The irony is that even those that whine about removable batteries (much less here, and more on the mindless spec/ports/options chase pc market) I would wager that they themselves swap batteries during travel almost never. I 've been travelling for many, many years, surrounded by pcs and I 've not seen a single person swap their battery. Coincidence? Not big enough sample? Maybe so, but still very indicative.
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These are rough estimates of course, but I derived them from the measurable battery improvements the macbook pros got when they switched from user removable to integrated batteries.

the way apple explained it was shape among other factors. For example there was a lot of dead space between the internal battery compartments with the multiple cylinder shapes that made up the battery. When apple went to the internal battery of their own design, they were able to utilize the entire space of the battery. Also if you look at a removable macbook battery you see it is in a thick case. The internal battery has no case so there is significant reduction in size needed. Great out of the box thinking similar to the fantastic magnisafe design for power cord. i would add that the case of the removable macbook battery is very heavy, so they were able to shed a few ounces. I like my non-removable macbook pro battery because i understand what the apple engineers did and why they did it.
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The irony is that even those that whine about removable batteries (much less here, and more on the mindless spec/ports/options chase pc market) I would wager that they themselves swap batteries during travel almost never. I 've been travelling for many, many years, surrounded by pcs and I 've not seen a single person swap their battery. Coincidence? Not big enough sample? Maybe so, but still very indicative.

i have 3 batteries, for a thinkpad T61 all nine cell and i switch them out when i travel long distance (generally only use two, but its a just in case thing)

so maybe few people need to do this, but for people like me its important... as well having removable batteries means they could have a macbook with removable battery, so if users want they can lessen the load by having a smaller battery...

also removable batteries would be nice if apple goes ahead in its AMD deal as these chips (not so sure about newer ones) run hotter so less battery life

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This shows two screws on the bottom. What happened to the "prototype" that showed no screws on the bottom. It sure looked a heck of a lot better.

I hope there won't be screws, but I'm sure I'd forget about them pretty quick. I'll probably have it in a case anyway.

Speaking of cases. I've heard in a few places now that cases can actually be worse for your iPhone because they can trap dust and particles between the case and the iPhone and scratch it, or the open ports funnel dust in worse than no case at all.

Any thoughts on cases? Off topic I know.

So, screws or no screws? Is this the actual 4G iPhone frame, with screws, or will it come without screws?
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i have 3 batteries, for a thinkpad T61 all nine cell and i switch them out when i travel long distance (generally only use two, but its a just in case thing)

so maybe few people need to do this, but for people like me its important... as well having removable batteries means they could have a macbook with removable battery, so if users want they can lessen the load by having a smaller battery...

also removable batteries would be nice if apple goes ahead in its AMD deal as these chips (not so sure about newer ones) run hotter so less battery life

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Reading the first reviews that came out about the T61 sounded like gloom and doom with reports of 2 hour battery life. It seems most of the initial reviews were done using very power hungry dedicated graphics solutions and with a 4-cell battery.
I had the opportunity to test a larger 6-cell battery on an integrated graphics system, and got 3 hours and 41 minutes of battery life under what I would deem normal usage. I was using the T61 with screen brightness set to half or lower, Vista battery optimized setting, wireless off to get this number. In a torture test, I set the screen brightness to top level, put in a DVD (Stargate) and played it until the battery hit 5% and the PC went to sleep – which happened after exactly 2 hours 15 minutes. I wouldn’t call that bad, it’ll get you through most movies.

Is that in any way comparable with apple's 7-8 hours of batter life? You are justified to have 2 batteries on the thinkpad (btw, one of the nicest laptops outside apple) but apple offer you battery life that twice or more that of the thinkpad so you don't need too.

If the AMD deal goes through, and I sure hope it does, we are talking about the chips coming in on q2 2011, these chips can potentially be very comparable cto intel in terms of battery because a. amd will be shrinking their process to 35nm a la intel and b. they are properly integrating a very good gpu (that will require less use of the discrete one if there is) on die.

May I also interest you on this option which I think can solve a lot of your problems, without apple having to go with the inelegant and counter productive in terms of engineering solution of a user replaceable battery:
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HyperMac is the ONLY external battery and car charger solution that works with ALL MacBook, MacBook Air and MacBook Pro (supports dual voltage). Available in 4 different sizes (60~222Wh), the HyperMac battery also powers the iPhone, iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS and all other USB devices.
HyperMac 60~222Wh have been upgraded to support 10W USB charging which powers the iPad at the same rate as the iPad wall charger.

http://www.hypershop.com/HyperMac-Ex...arger-s/91.htm

Isn't it much better that on those rare occasions where 7-8 hours isn't enough, you can tailor fit an external solution for a variety of sizes and capacities you might want?
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Silly jab at android. Makes appleinsider look more like a untrustworthy fanboi site.

There is plenty of discussion of upcoming android phones. The HTC evo has already been rooted, reviewed, and ifixit even has a teardown of it and its not even released yet.

Lots of android websites and forums. Lots of discussion.
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These are rough estimates of course, but I derived them from the measurable battery improvements the macbook pros got when they switched from user removable to integrated batteries.

Btw, I disagree with the opinions aside comment, it's not a matter of opinion what I and the others have said above, they are matters of fact. It's not a matter of opinion what you said for example that you are doomed to have the external battery pack sticking out, it's a matter of fact, and it's inaccurate. Since most of these packs in a few minutes can charge your phone's internal battery, and then you put them in your pocket again and there's nothing sticking out.

Interesting on the battery life. I'll have to look into that.

But it is still a matter of opinion about the external batteries. Yes, you can have one of those that you stick on and recharges in a matter of minutes, but in the same time, you can swap out the battery on a device with a removable one and be on your way. No need to have to remove an attachment later on. It's the user's preference which path they want to go.

Some people prefer the internal battery (as you have shown), and some prefer having a removable battery. The proof is that there hasn't been a huge outcry for all batteries to be internal. There's still a large market of third-party batteries out there and, for the time being, doesn't seem to be going away.

Personally speaking, I like having the option of a removable battery because I can replace it myself when it goes wrong or bad for whatever reason. For a simple change, I'd rather not have to determine whether or not it's covered by the warranty and have to wait for someone else do it for me.

I'm sure you're going to ask me "has that battery of yours gone bad?". So far, no it hasn't. But my phone was provided to me with a removable battery which, again, gives me that option. I'm not going to say no if someone gives me more options. If, in the future, all devices go with internal batteries, then so be it. I'll follow along. In the meantime, it is what it is.
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Loved the jab at android phones.

As to the guy who said that this is because there's only one released every year, instead of many like the android phones, what a fallacious argument. So if porche released five or so new models per year and kia released one, do you think that the world would completely ignore spy photos of prototypes from porche and focuse solely on the single kia model? Similarly even if there were 5 iphones a year and 1 android phone, the iphones would still gather more interest, because they are on the whole better and more desirable devices.

That's a pathetic, obtuse analogy on the appeal of the current state of mobile handsets ..and of course, not at all surprising.

There is no point in arguing with Apple zealots. *repeats to self*
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That's a pathetic, obtuse analogy on the appeal of the current state of mobile handsets ..and of course, not at all surprising.

There is no point in arguing with Apple zealots. *repeats to self*

Of course it goes back to what they think (read: personal opinion) is the better phone.

What you said before makes sense. If only 1 Android phone was released across all the carriers next year, then everyone would just be talking about that single device. However millions of Android users out will be channeled from a broad interest on all the devices out now to focusing on that single device and what it can/can't do. As a consequence, sales numbers for that single device will shoot up.
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in a pair of Portuguese videos subtitled in English

Those aren't subtitles. They don't correspond remotely to what the person is saying, and that's even admitted in the "subtitles" by whoever did the subtitled version. The "subtitles" are little more than comments that someone has added to the video.
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