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Originally Posted by GQB View Post

Here's all I'd like to know.
How do I shut down ALL data on my iPhone to ensure that I'm not accidentally connecting when I'm away from wifi?
I can turn off 3G, but that leaves Edge running.
I can go into Airplane mode, then turn wifi back on, but then my phone is off.

2 gripes I have about my iPhone are:
1) Lack of certainty that I'm not actually using wireless (so that I can better control it), and
2) Lack of 'one-click' tools to turn specific features on or off. I shouldn't have to drill down to do simple things like turn bluetooth or wireless on/off.

iPhone v4.0 has this feature, which is one reason why many have expected this change from AT&T. The other being AT&T saying that Unlimited was not likely to remain a constant.

http://quacktacular.net/wp-content/u...4/IMG_0167.jpg (image) I agree with one-click options for certain settings. They offer the 3-press Home Button setup, but it's nothing very useful to most users. I'd like to have an option to put a few settings in a list in an order I choose. At least, have it auto access that particular Settings page without a length "drill down".

PS: A potential "feature" has been found in v4.0. If you take the Lock button thres-times-fast it will make the screen a flashlight. Since it doesn't auto-increase the brightness to full and it doesn't seem to work on all iPhones it may just be a bug.


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Originally Posted by GQB View Post

Totally agree. But that's not what AT&T is offering.
They're saying 'pay 1/2 of what you pay now to get 1/5 of the service.'

If they simply implemented a rate per 1/2 gig, that would be totally fair.
That's not what they're doing.

How do you figure? 1/2 the price for 1/5 the service has no fixed integer for an Unlimited plan.

You can say you will pay 17% less for the new 2GB plan than with the $30/month Unlimited plan, which I am sure most people will fall under.

Have you checked your AT&T usage for the last 6 months? Mine are all under 2GB now that I'm not tethering.
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post #242 of 360
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Originally Posted by GQB View Post

Here's all I'd like to know.
How do I shut down ALL data on my iPhone to ensure that I'm not accidentally connecting when I'm away from wifi?
I can turn off 3G, but that leaves Edge running.
I can go into Airplane mode, then turn wifi back on, but then my phone is off.

2 gripes I have about my iPhone are:
1) Lack of certainty that I'm not actually using wireless (so that I can better control it), and
2) Lack of 'one-click' tools to turn specific features on or off. I shouldn't have to drill down to do simple things like turn bluetooth or wireless on/off.

1) Jailbreak
2) Install SBSettings.

You can swipe the top status bar from the home screen or in app and turn all of the radios on or off with a tap. It does everything you want (for free) and is one of the few remaining reasons I keep my phone jailbroken.
post #243 of 360
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Originally Posted by Hellacool View Post

Yeah that's it, how about when I am stuck in an airport for 4 hours and need to get some work done? Or stuck in a crappy hotel with crappy wifi and need to get some work done? Ill get my head out of my laptop if you get your out of your A$$.

I guess the answer to your question would be another question...
Why should those of us who use little bandwidth subsidize your job for you?
You're the one making money from those 4 hours... its called cost of doing business.
You pay for it.
post #244 of 360
This new pricing is great. Should save me $15/month.
I can't imagine using more than 2GB/month on mobile devices, unless someone is addicted to youtube or streaming porn.
post #245 of 360
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


How do you figure? 1/2 the price for 1/5 the service has no fixed integer for an Unlimited plan.

You can say you will pay 17% less for the new 2GB plan than with the $30/month Unlimited plan, which I am sure most people will fall under.

Have you checked your AT&T usage for the last 6 months? Mine are all under 2GB now that I'm not tethering.

I was generalizing. But the plans clearly do not give you a $$ break proportional to your use.
Nevertheless, I've re-checked my usage and will indeed benefit under the new structure. I thought I used much more... guess I've cut down lately.

Thanks for the 4G info.
post #246 of 360
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Originally Posted by ghostface147 View Post

Prices seem fair to me. I don't even use 1 gig and never tether. I like the pricing model. At least I can grandfather my unlimited plan, which applies to all current iPhone users and transfers to the new iPhone model.

I agree. The complainers here must use a hell of lot of network data. You think that they might hang around the pool hall and surf and email all day?

Jeez, I use my iPhone for email and the web alot and don't consume 200MB a month!

Maybe the clowns should carry out their threats and just switch.
post #247 of 360
I hated AT&T before..... now I hate them even more. I was planning on getting one of the higher end iPads with 3G .... but now..... If I even bother with it I'll only get the wifi model and use it at home. This is going to totally open up the market for Andriod and other competition to clobber AT&T's crappy ass packages.

AT&T also just made Steve Jobs look like a total lying asshole.... whether he wants to admit it or not. What in the hell were they thinking. I'm also going to start paying my AT&T bill with my AMEX card since I know they have to pay a higher percentage on each transaction.

AT&T needs to go the way of the doo doo. I got rid of my land line and refuse to use DSL because they suck there too..... iPhone is my only weakness.....

The tethering charge is complete bullshit! They're trying to make up for their way overpriced 3G internet connection for portables.... oh.... won't be buying one of those either Apple.


Wake the hell up Apple.... open the iPad and iPhone up for more competition.... this relationship with this wrinkled old whore called AT&T is NOT MAKING US HAPPY!

It's PISSING US OFF!
post #248 of 360
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Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post

It's not silly at all for iPad WiFi+3G owners. It's very easy to exceed 2GB on an iPad (over 3G).

It might be very easy to exceed 2GB but so is picking up dog poop and most people won't do either.
post #249 of 360
I wonder how this will be applied to people with family plans?
I use about 5-600 MB/month.
My wife uses about 100 MB/month.

Will we be able to drop our combined $60/month for data down to $25?
If so, then that's a great deal.
Otherwise, will we be able to choose different plans? $15/mo for her, $25 for me?

If not, then I end up less than thrilled. $30/mo for 2 200MB plans doesn't meet our needs, and 2 $25 plans for 4G/month leaves us paying almost as much as now for reduced caps and I may as well keep the 'unlimited'.
post #250 of 360
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Originally Posted by GQB View Post

I was generalizing. But the plans clearly do not give you a $$ break proportional to your use.

I don't think that can be stated without going user-by-user or by using an equation (which I'm too lazy to do right now). Even you said that you "will indeed benefit under the new structure."

I checked my usage for the last several months, which I don't think included any of my "illegal" tethering and I found an anomaly which I can't explain and which will costly should it occurs again.
Month. . Usage
NOV-09 . 719 MB
DEC-09 . 401 MB
JAN-09 . 1.6 GB
FEB-09 . 6.1 GB
MAR-09 . 284 MB
APR-09 . 288 MB
MAY-09 . 232 MB
With this new plan, February would have cost me $25 up to 2GB, plus $10 per 1GB x5, for a total of $75 or $45 more than I currently pay for Unlimited data. Furthermore, it will take 9 months to make up that difference to equal my current plan.

I certainly prefer the peace of mind of Unlimited data, but I also can't worked up over a company charging what they feel is right when I have other options available to me.
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post #251 of 360
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Originally Posted by Orangeoutsider View Post

I agree. The complainers here must use a hell of lot of network data. You think that they might hang around the pool hall and surf and email all day?

Jeez, I use my iPhone for email and the web alot and don't consume 200MB a month!

Maybe the clowns should carry out their threats and just switch.

No kidding. I seriously doubt AT&T will miss them.
Somehow I doubt they would use as much data if they had to pay buy the gallon.
post #252 of 360
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Originally Posted by GQB View Post

Totally agree. But that's not what AT&T is offering.
They're saying 'pay 1/2 of what you pay now to get 1/5 of the service.'

As opposed to them saying, "keep your current plan and pay twice as much to use only 20% of what you actually need."
post #253 of 360
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Originally Posted by stevegmu View Post

This new pricing is great. Should save me $15/month.
I can't imagine using more than 2GB/month on mobile devices, unless someone is addicted to youtube or streaming porn.



post #254 of 360
Just got some info from @ATTAlexM

He said if we want to add tethering to our grandfather data plan, we need to upgrade to data pro.

Looks Like AT&T is pushing iPhone users to jailbreak their phones.

you can find it on my twitter page @djjesc

Sad day for peoeple looking to tether.
post #255 of 360
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Originally Posted by GQB View Post

I guess the answer to your question would be another question...
Why should those of us who use little bandwidth subsidize your job for you?
You're the one making money from those 4 hours... its called cost of doing business.
You pay for it.

Wow, please at least know what you are taling about before you speak. Show me where anyone is asking you or anyone else to pay for tethering? Didn't think you could. I commented basically saying just because you do not need tethering doesn't mean someone else doesn't. Also the consensus is that I should not have to pay twice for something. Once I pay for my data it is mine and I should be free to use my 2GB how ever I see fit. I shouldn't have to pay AT$T to use it with my laptop, iPad etc.... what do they care, if I go over I pay more. So please unstick your head from your A$$ and atleast put it into the sand, do us all a favor.
post #256 of 360
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

This rational only applies to a very small minority of people who used a lot of bandwidth. For the vast majority of people $30 for unlimited is unnecessary. It isn't like 3G is the only option for data on mobile devices. AT&T is working to increase the WiFi.

It isn't unnecessary. AT&T knows exactly what they are doing. You can repeat their rationale for it however many times you want but that doesn't change the point that what is being offered is more expensive per unit and also is now the only feature of the iPhone that is not available in an unlimited fashion.

You can buy unlimited voice, you can buy unlimited texting. You cannot buy unlimited data. That right there ought to raise an eyebrow. Unlimited texting and voice could theoretically overwhelm the network and limited frequency allocations as well. However as always has been the case, the march of technology makes much more possible with the same amount.

They chose those data points for a reason and the costs will show up in the bills of those under them soon enough.

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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

If it was just an issue with going over 5GB then why not offer a 5GB plan. Why not allow you to tether now since your data usage is capped?

I think AT&T crunched the numbers and found that x% use just over 2GB while hardly any use more than 3GB. So while many will fall into the 2GB for $25/month more will fall into the >2GB plans charging and extra $10 or $5 more, resulting in more profit than before.

I think you are 100% right.

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Originally Posted by noexpectations View Post

Show me a Utility (Gas, Electric, Water) that has an unlimited plan? Would you want that? Would you want everyone to pay the same monthly costs if you use a lot less than the average user?

It does not make sense.....and it doesn't make sense in wireless networking either. I do not want to pay for anyone else's service.

Actually those utilities that have massive need are often subsidized by those who use less based off the fact they still get benefit from the infrastructure when economies of scale are factored in. Does the large farm that grows your food pay what you pay for water? No they actually pay much less even though they use much more. The benefit is considered given to you when you buy cheaper food.

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Originally Posted by GQB View Post

Totally agree. But that's not what AT&T is offering.
They're saying 'pay 1/2 of what you pay now to get 1/5 of the service.'

If they simply implemented a rate per 1/2 gig, that would be totally fair.
That's not what they're doing.

Exactly. Many on here see the point and I'm sure as time marches on, even more will.

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post #257 of 360
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Originally Posted by trumptman View Post

economies of scale

Easy, you may confuse the fanbois and apologetic's with such fancy talk.
post #258 of 360
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Originally Posted by GQB View Post

Totally agree. But that's not what AT&T is offering.
They're saying 'pay 1/2 of what you pay now to get 1/5 of the service.'

If they simply implemented a rate per 1/2 gig, that would be totally fair.
That's not what they're doing.

Didn't your dad ever tell you, life's not fair?
post #259 of 360
What a bunch of whiners. You guys should go out ad get a job, then you'll be too busy to use any gigs. Plus you'll be making money and you can quit buying the cheap beer and give the street beggar a 5-er. You gotta pay to play - no free lunch.

Life is too short to drink bad coffee.

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post #260 of 360
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

I don't think that can be stated without going user-by-user or by using an equation (which I'm too lazy to do right now). Even you said that you "will indeed benefit under the new structure."

I checked my usage for the last several months, which I don't think included any of my "illegal" tethering and I found an anomaly which I can't explain and which will costly should it occurs again.
Month. . Usage
NOV-09 . 719 MB
DEC-09 . 401 MB
JAN-09 . 1.6 GB
FEB-09 . 6.1 GB
MAR-09 . 284 MB
APR-09 . 288 MB
MAY-09 . 232 MB
With this new plan, February would have cost me $25 up to 2GB, plus $10 per 1GB x5, for a total of $75 or $45 more than I currently pay for Unlimited data. Furthermore, it will take 9 months to make up that difference to equal my current plan.

I certainly prefer the peace of mind of Unlimited data, but I also can't worked up over a company charging what they feel is right when I have other options available to me.

Thankfully they will send you a text message when you are hitting those limits, so you can adjust your usage.
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post #262 of 360
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Originally Posted by Hellacool View Post

Wow, please at least know what you are taling about before you speak. Show me where anyone is asking you or anyone else to pay for tethering? Didn't think you could. I commented basically saying just because you do not need tethering doesn't mean someone else doesn't. Also the consensus is that I should not have to pay twice for something. Once I pay for my data it is mine and I should be free to use my 2GB how ever I see fit. I shouldn't have to pay AT$T to use it with my laptop, iPad etc.... what do they care, if I go over I pay more. So please unstick your head from your A$$ and atleast put it into the sand, do us all a favor.

Wow... classy response.
Not worth a reply.
(oh... hope that job of yours doesn't require proper spelling.)
post #263 of 360
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Originally Posted by cameronj View Post

Thankfully they will send you a text message when you are hitting those limits, so you can adjust your usage.

What if you've removed texting from your service because of THAT rip-off?
post #264 of 360
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Originally Posted by cameronj View Post

Thankfully they will send you a text message when you are hitting those limits, so you can adjust your usage.

I assumed it would be a warning you could set Ã* la the iPad 3G. Oh well, an SMS is fine, too, albeit less refined.
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post #265 of 360
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What if you've removed texting from your service because of THAT rip-off?

SMS messages sent by your carrier are free.
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post #266 of 360
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

SMS messages sent by your carrier are free.

Thank god for small favors then.
post #267 of 360
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Originally Posted by anonymous guy View Post

I went into an AT&T store today to confirm the news. Their suggestion?

Hold onto your unlimited plan for as long as you can.

Exactly!
post #268 of 360
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

The moaning and wailing and caterwauling here is out-of-control. Pathetic, really.

Pay for what you eat!

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post #269 of 360
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Originally Posted by GQB View Post

Thank god for small favors then.

Regardless of all this apparent "raping" over data fees and tethering, nothing compares to the cost of SMS per byte, yet these seems to be an acceptable by most people. Is SMS an initialism for Stockholm Messaging Syndrome?
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post #270 of 360
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I went into an AT&T store today to confirm the news. Their suggestion?

Hold onto your unlimited plan for as long as you can.

It's too bad you can't add Tethering for $20 whilst keeping your $30 Unlimited data plan.
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post #271 of 360
The 200MB for $15 plan would have been much more interesting if the customer automatically got upgraded to (and charged for) the 2GB for $25 plan for any month where the customer's usage exceeded 200MB. Charging $30 for 201MB usage is nothing but a scam.
post #272 of 360
I'm a T-mobile subscriber on my phones. The iPad is my first experience with ATT.

I just spent 2 hours on the phone with 2 idiots and a very defensive 3rd party. In summary, even though I set the iPad up for auto renewal, my ATT account page on the iPad reads "There is no data plan.". So I renewed manually. Received a confirmation from ATT, check my account and I have now paid twice for another month. My iPad continues to tell me "There is no data plan.". It's real, I cannot access the web.

2 hours later I still have no data plan. I do have a bunch of nonsense that was relayed to me. And, in the end, I got the real story, ATT's systems messed up and did not process the renewals. It will take a day or two to get this resolved. Perhaps.

This entire experience is my first with ATT and T-Mobile's EDGE looks quite nice to no service at all.

As far as the cost goes, it's egregious. It's the fact Apple made the 3G iPad for ATT only in this country and ATT is taking advantage of it. Compared to any other place in the world, the cost is an absurdity.
post #273 of 360
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What if you've removed texting from your service because of THAT rip-off?

Oh if you've turned off texting then I think there's no way they can possibly reach you. Good point.

Or email. Yeah, email.
post #274 of 360
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Originally Posted by macshark View Post

The 200MB for $15 plan would have been much more interesting if the customer automatically got upgraded to (and charged for) the 2GB for $25 plan for any month where the customer's usage exceeded 200MB. Charging $30 for 201MB usage is nothing but a scam.

I've had the auto-tier idea for years now and if I were running the show that is exactly what I'd do. Besides eliminating those wacky stories of excessive phone bills it would go a long way to giving customers peace of mind that the highest charge they could incur would be the unlimited plans. You could even charge a monthly fee for this option and have customers happy to be given such a choice. Of course, that is now only available for SMS and calls, but would at least give a little leeway for those typically under 200MB data per month.

However it's not a scam as they are upfront with the changes and their is nothing hidden (unless we find that they are willfully fudging their numbers, like rounding up data usage).
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post #275 of 360
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Originally Posted by Eye Forget View Post

I'm a T-mobile subscriber on my phones. The iPad is my first experience with ATT.

I just spent 2 hours on the phone with 2 idiots and a very defensive 3rd party. In summary, even though I set the iPad up for auto renewal, my ATT account page on the iPad reads "There is no data plan.". So I renewed manually. Received a confirmation from ATT, check my account and I have now paid twice for another month. My iPad continues to tell me "There is no data plan.". It's real, I cannot access the web.

2 hours later I still have no data plan. I do have a bunch of nonsense that was relayed to me. And, in the end, I got the real story, ATT's systems messed up and did not process the renewals. It will take a day or two to get this resolved. Perhaps.

This entire experience is my first with ATT and T-Mobile's EDGE looks quite nice to no service at all.

As far as the cost goes, it's egregious. It's the fact Apple made the 3G iPad for ATT only in this country and ATT is taking advantage of it. Compared to any other place in the world, the cost is an absurdity.

Allow me to take it off your hands for a mere $100 less than you paid for it. If everything is so terrible, surely you'd trade $400 to have it off your hands, right?

Or do you hate it so much you want to keep it?
post #276 of 360
This is a great move by AT&T. It does many great things:

1) Differentiate AT&T from Verizon, now AT&T is cheaper.
2) For 98% of users, your data is cheaper
3) 2% of the users who acount for huge amounts of data will switch, which will actually speed the network up.

They also implement a text service to prevent bill shock. If you are currently a $30 unlimiter, you don't have to switch to the new plan. And if you are a power user, your probably already on Verizon and aren't thinking about switching anyway. I think its a great idea.
post #277 of 360
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What if you've removed texting from your service because of THAT rip-off?

You still have the ability to send and receive text messages even if you don't have a plan - you just pay per message. AT&T will send you a free text message that doesn't charge you, nor count against any plan you may or may not have, to let you know if you're close to the cap on your data plan.
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post #278 of 360
Welcome to my cell rates world

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I certainly prefer the peace of mind of Unlimited data, but I also can't worked up over a company charging what they feel is right when I have other options available to me.

Good luck with that. History has shown that the cell carriers in the United States have a duopoly over us. As soon as they realized one carrier could get away with charging for incoming text messages, the rest followed suit. Now you have the recent example of AT&T nearly doubling their ETF just a few months after Verizon did the same.

What really pisses me off about this mess is AT&T is claiming that 2Gb is enough for 98% of their customers... but what's the one thing they haven't allowed yet on the iPhone? TETHERING. Once customers are freely allowed to tether, they're going to realize how quickly those 2Gb get used up just by day-to-day browsing. At least Verizon and Sprint give you the courtesy of keeping your phone and your tether data separate when you pay the extra tether fee, but AT&T is combining both devices into the same pool!

Think about it - AT&T is essentially charging you $20 for the privilege use up data more quickly, so they can charge you more when you go over. Greatest fricken scam since Scientology.
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You know, its funny. My kindle still has free internet access wherever I go....

What's a kindle?
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