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post #41 of 360
6/2/10 at 6:35am
These knee jerk reactions completely miss out on the real world usage of data. The 65% of people who don't use above 200MB won't have to pay for an unlimited data plan that they won't use. AT&T allows all iPhone users to use it's public WiFi network for free.

This will also allow AT&T to deal with data hogs and charge them for their use. Which should help improve the network.

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Sheesh!Let's see...5 GB for $30/mo or 2 GB for $25/mo. What a screw job AT&T!!!!!!
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post #42 of 360
6/2/10 at 6:36am
Additional $20 for teathering to a 2GB plan? Are you shitting me ATT. Cheaper to get clear home and have 4g everywhere on your laptop and you home with (what I believe) is unlimited data plan, or at least way more then 2gb.
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post #43 of 360
6/2/10 at 6:38am
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Only the most cultish of Apple fanboy will spin this ripoff as something good. ... Mass returns, class action lawsuits, FTC, you name it.

You sound grumpy. I will save money on my iPad so I like this plan. I can keep my old plan on my iPhone. I have no interest in tethering. Some will lose, some will win. I will win.

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post #44 of 360
6/2/10 at 6:39am
I don't understand why so many people are bent out of shape about this. If the new plans aren't for you then stay with what you have. If you're a light user, switch. My wife uses 350mb a month, I use about 1.5gb. I'm not switching but I might switch her to 2gb.
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post #45 of 360
6/2/10 at 6:39am
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Only the most cultish of Apple fanboy will spin this ripoff as something good. The people who just purchased the iPad 3Gs with the happy promises of unlimited data plan are now finding out that Lord Jobs & AT&T have essentially lied through their teeth. Mass returns, class action lawsuits, FTC, you name it.

I must've missed where it says this applies retroactively to existing units.

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Current AT&T customers are not required to switch to the new plans and sacrifice their unlimited data, but can do so without a contract extension.

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post #46 of 360
6/2/10 at 6:40am
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Originally Posted by Curmudgeon View Post

Agreed. If they're going to cap the plan, then paying extra for tethering is just a rip-off.

Well then Verizon has also been ripping me off for quite awhile now by charging me more just for the tethering option on my BlackBerry.
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post #47 of 360
6/2/10 at 6:41am
I suppose you have to be an Apple fanboy to have the reading comprehension to understand that 65% of iPhone users don't use over 200MB. Those people will now only have to pay $15 instead of $30. Which is a great deal.



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post #48 of 360
6/2/10 at 6:41am
Why doesn't AT&T just say "GO THE F%$! AWAY!".
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post #49 of 360
6/2/10 at 6:41am
WHAT THE F$#@ $20 for tethering.

Jail break your phone and you can tether with no problem for FREE. and it does not use more bandwidth that the 3g connection could offer anyways.

After my contract is up i'm getting a normal Cellphone screw all this data plans and tethering fees, calling in feer, using the button fees. Here's my finger fee ATT!
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post #50 of 360
6/2/10 at 6:44am
Not sure if I'm getting this right... So if I'm using an unlimited 3G plan on the iPad right now, next month will also be unlimited?

What if I cancel at the end of the month, and then restart again in Aug? Will it be unlimited or will it be the new 2gb cap plan?
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post #51 of 360
6/2/10 at 6:45am
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You weren't right at all. You said AT&T was going to raise the price for unlimited data. That is clearly not what they've done. They've offered variable pricing to meet the amount of data that most people actually use. Trust me they are going to charge more for LTE.

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My quotes from that thread...

However AT&T just raised their ETF and who knows what else might happen before launch date.

We already see AT&T raising ETF's and have no guarantee that with some new feature or ability, they won't use it to justify raising data rates again. Sprint already did this with the 4G HTC, so who's to say, justified or not, it might not happen with the new iPhone?

Verizon raises ETF's and AT&T follows. Sprint raises data rates and.... AT&T follows isn't an unreasonable thought. It hasn't happened but there is history. AT&T did raise rates when going from 2G to 3G iPhones so if something about the new iPhone can be considered additionally data intensive (say video chat for example) in their minds they can justify the additional costs.

Actually I believe I noted new data intensive features like... video chat. AT&T has also announced that even though they have already upgraded their network to HPSA+@7.2 mpbs, they will also go ahead and upgrade it to HPSA_@14.4 before moving to LTE. That upgrade is largely software and they are terming it advanced 3G. So again, while we are all speculating, it isn't hard to imagine AT&T saying that if you want video chatting with 3G+, they you might have to fork over some more cash. Larger ETF's don't make sense nor does your subsidizing phone plan staying the same cost even when off contract, so why does this have to make any more sense. The companies charge what the market will tolerate.

Data is the closest thing they have to some price control right now. I'm not saying they will, but speculation is speculation regardless of your rationales for dismissing some folks.

Funny, but I don't read the word unlimited in there even once.....I said they would raise data rates, and they have.

In the meantime, hook people up with whoever is selling you such good crap.

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post #52 of 360
6/2/10 at 6:47am
You know, its funny. My kindle still has free internet access wherever I go....
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post #53 of 360
6/2/10 at 6:48am
As a "heavy" user this upsets me tremendously. I go way over 2GB a month, and do you know why? I am buying music, movies, and apps from Apple and playing online games that I paid for. This is an example of how the mainstreaming of the internet is screwing the people who have been around for a long time. These companies charge an arm and a leg and then start capping the amount that people can download. That is bs. I will abandon Apple and keep switching to companies that offer true unlimited data plans. To those who cave in and say "this is the future" you are ignorant and letting companies push you around. With the amount of money these companies make it shouldn't be blamed on consumers using "too much bandwidth" - it is the company's responsibility to improve their infrastructure by updating their tech to meet the demands of the future. I can't tell you how many dropped calls I get a day on my iPhone, but I put up with the crap because I know that I at least get unlimited data. What is the point of staying with this crappy network if they don't even offer one good perk.
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post #54 of 360
6/2/10 at 6:49am
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I know that a lot of people will bitch about this, but it works for me

I haven't looked at many months for myself, but I think I'm in the same boat as you. I've used less than 400MB going into the last few days of my cycle. So I should save. And my wife will probably stay under 200.

The way they did the extra block of 200 makes a difference. Instead of gouging people with something like $1.99 for each MB over the limit.

This should actually slow down the people who are exceeding 5GB. If it's true that those people are the REAL problem this could be a step in the right direction.
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post #55 of 360
6/2/10 at 6:51am
The biggest problems with the change in costs for these plans is that you don't know how much it's going to cost you from month to month if you go over.

At the very least, they should allow you to "roll-over" bandwidth from one month to the next the same way they do with voice minutes.

However, checking my phone, I only seem to have used 46MB since 5/9, but I generally don't stream anything much.

And since, according to some postings, you supposedly have the option of continuing with the old unlimited plan even when upgrading the phone and extending the contract, I don't have a problem. (Assuming that is really the case.)

AT&T seems to think this is going to reduce data usage and thereby improve quality on the network. I doubt that will be the case - it will just piss off customers who wind up having to pay more, especially when the additional charges are a surprise. As I've posted before, I was in London a few weeks ago and I was shocked at how well my phone performed as compared to using the phone in NYC. It just confirmed to me how bad AT&T actually is (and that the problems are NOT in the phone.)

Especially in the case of the iPad, I think Apple HAS to open it up to other carriers. The thing has been out only two months and the plan is changing already? That's like bait-and-switch.
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post #56 of 360
6/2/10 at 6:51am
Hmm, I think I will buy a 3g ipad this week...

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Not sure if I'm getting this right... So if I'm using an unlimited 3G plan on the iPad right now, next month will also be unlimited?

What if I cancel at the end of the month, and then restart again in Aug? Will it be unlimited or will it be the new 2gb cap plan?

That is an excellent question.
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post #57 of 360
6/2/10 at 6:54am
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These knee jerk reactions completely miss out on the real world usage of data. The 65% of people who don't use above 200MB won't have to pay for an unlimited data plan that they won't use. AT&T allows all iPhone users to use it's public WiFi network for free.

This will also allow AT&T to deal with data hogs and charge them for their use. Which should help improve the network.

These aren't knee-jerk reactions TenoBell. People put up with AT$T's garbage phone service so that they can get one positive thing, and that is unlimited data. Stop being an apologist. As someone who has spent tens of thousands or more on Apple products and media since the late 80's this sure does piss me off. I don't believe Apple thinks they can jerk around their customers like this. And yeah I do use way more than 2GB a month, I am sure of that, I download tons of stuff over 3G. It is bad enough that they are charging for tethering when it was free at one point in previous firmware, now they are tacking on all types of different fees, and of course this won't help with the multitude of dropped calls. Go ahead and defend Apple and ATT - you are alone on this one.
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post #58 of 360
6/2/10 at 6:55am
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As a "heavy" user this upsets me tremendously. I go way over 2GB a month, and do you know why? I am buying music, movies, and apps from Apple and playing online games that I paid for. This is an example of how the mainstreaming of the internet is screwing the people who have been around for a long time. These companies charge an arm and a leg and then start capping the amount that people can download. That is bs. I will abandon Apple and keep switching to companies that offer true unlimited data plans. To those who cave in and say "this is the future" you are ignorant and letting companies push you around. With the amount of money these companies make it shouldn't be blamed on consumers using "too much bandwidth" - it is the company's responsibility to improve their infrastructure by updating their tech to meet the demands of the future. I can't tell you how many dropped calls I get a day on my iPhone, but I put up with the crap because I know that I at least get unlimited data. What is the point of staying with this crappy network if they don't even offer one good perk.

You can keep your unlimited plan if you want. Current users are grandfathered in and it will also apply if you get a new iPhone when it's replaced. What do you lose? If you tether, well I can't answer that because I don't know. Jailbreak and tether if you really want to.
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post #59 of 360
6/2/10 at 6:56am
This is is good news and a money saver for a lot of people. If you don't see the benefit of this, you're either part of the 2% of the affected heavy data user population or just shortsighted and just plain hate AT&T. Why should I have to pay $30 when I can only pay $15? The overage is also a game changer and very reasonable. This is actually good for both AT&T and Apple. This will get more people (who think the mandatory $30 data plan is too much), casual users at the expense of possibly losing a few people from the 2% population.

Sorry for you heavy data users but there's only a few of you. You're one the main the reasons why AT&T is doing this.

AT&T finally realized they've been overcharging their customers...
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post #60 of 360
6/2/10 at 6:56am
Steve Jobs at WWDC:

"Look at this - you can now use video chat to stream high definition video from phone to phone!"

"And this - tethering! Use your iPhone to connect your MacBook to the internet!"

"Oh wait, there's one more thing. Try not to use more than 2GB a month."
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post #61 of 360
6/2/10 at 6:57am
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I'm totally with you on this. My wife hasn't gone over 25MB in each of the last four months and I'm sure it's no different in the months before that. Sounds like I can cut her data plan to the 200MB, I'll save $15/month and she'll be perfectly fine. Heck, just checking the last few months of usage for myself, I haven't gone over 200MB either. Sounds like I'll be fine with the 2GB plan (just to be safe) and I'll end up saving a total of $20/month (between our two data plans).

I tend to believe the figure of 98% use less than 5GB/mo. I am probably an average user who doesn't use his phone for business, and I have only used 5.6 GB in 20 months. I certainly don't feel restricted. I suspect that most who go over probably use it for business purposes & do tether. I would also agree that data is data, whether tethered or not! Separate charges for tethering is like separate charges for texting.
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post #62 of 360
6/2/10 at 7:00am
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These aren't knee-jerk reactions TenoBell. People put up with AT$T's garbage phone service so that they can get one positive thing, and that is unlimited data. Stop being an apologist. As someone who has spent tens of thousands or more on Apple products and media since the late 80's this sure does piss me off. I don't believe Apple thinks they can jerk around their customers like this. And yeah I do use way more than 2GB a month, I am sure of that, I download tons of stuff over 3G. It is bad enough that they are charging for tethering when it was free at one point in previous firmware, now they are tacking on all types of different fees, and of course this won't help with the multitude of dropped calls. Go ahead and defend Apple and ATT - you are alone on this one.

Dude, he's not alone on this.. 98% of smartphone users use less than 2GB. So you should say there's only 2% of you who are pissed off (is a more appropriate statement).
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post #63 of 360
6/2/10 at 7:02am
You get to keep your unlimited data plan.

I don't understand why you are on 3G that much. WiFi is everywhere.

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These aren't knee-jerk reactions TenoBell. People put up with AT$T's garbage phone service so that they can get one positive thing, and that is unlimited data. Stop being an apologist. As someone who has spent tens of thousands or more on Apple products and media since the late 80's this sure does piss me off. I don't believe Apple thinks they can jerk around their customers like this. And yeah I do use way more than 2GB a month, I am sure of that, I download tons of stuff over 3G. It is bad enough that they are charging for tethering when it was free at one point in previous firmware, now they are tacking on all types of different fees, and of course this won't help with the multitude of dropped calls. Go ahead and defend Apple and ATT - you are alone on this one.
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post #64 of 360
6/2/10 at 7:03am
I just posted a poll, asking how much bandwidth y'all use. Obviously AppleInsider readers aren't the same as the general population, but I'm still interested.

Here's a link to the poll.
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post #65 of 360
6/2/10 at 7:05am
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I don't understand why so many people are bent out of shape about this. If the new plans aren't for you then stay with what you have. If you're a light user, switch. My wife uses 350mb a month, I use about 1.5gb. I'm not switching but I might switch her to 2gb.


At&t has been promising that "tethering is coming." Now that tethering has been announced, it is accompanied by a reduction in allowable usage that will seriously undermine the utility of the service.

The comment that 65% of customers will benefit from this is illusory because 100% of customers will have to pay more if they want to tether, and 100% of those customers that are paying more are now encumbered with a new limitation on their service.

It does not appear to me from the OP that there is an option to stay with the current $30/month plan and add tethering. If I am reading that wrong then I guess it could be worse, but it is still bullshit, because if at&t is distinguishing their price plans based on bandwidth usage, then device selection should be irrelevant.

How hard would it be to simply have a per megabyte or per gigabyte option? That would completely obviate the need to distinguish between direct usage and usage by tethered devices.

Paying more to get less = customers getting "bent out of shape."
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post #66 of 360
6/2/10 at 7:06am
AT&T has replied on their Facebook page indicating that current customers may keep the $30/month unlimited plan even when they upgrade to a new iPhone:

"The good news for current customers who love their unlimited plan is this: they are not required to switch, even when it's time to upgrade to a new phone. So you are welcome to keep your unlimited plan "

SO THERE YOU GO! You can stop b!tching now.

FOR iPAD 3G USERS.. Sorry!
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post #67 of 360
6/2/10 at 7:09am
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It is bad enough that they are charging for tethering when it was free at one point in previous firmware, now they are tacking on all types of different fees, and of course this won't help with the multitude of dropped calls. Go ahead and defend Apple and ATT - you are alone on this one.

He's not alone. There are plenty of satisfied ATT/Apple users. If you bothered to read, there are also others on these forums who are happy with their service. Also, when did ATT ever allow free tethering? Never. Previous firmwares and the current firmware allow it, but it's not free and was never enabled here in the US. Bottom line, you don't speak for anyone but yourself. Others may agree with your, others won't, but you don't speak for them. And no, I don't work for Apple or ATT. I work for a homebuilder. Wanna buy a home?
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post #68 of 360
6/2/10 at 7:10am
You know your complaint and implication were that AT&T was going to raise the price of unlimited data. Why would you complain about AT&T lowering the cost for 98% of it's customers?

The other part of your speculation AT&T did not follow Verizon on this move. Verizon will follow AT&T.


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Funny, but I don't read the word unlimited in there even once.....I said they would raise data rates, and they have.

In the meantime, hook people up with whoever is selling you such good crap.
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post #69 of 360
6/2/10 at 7:10am
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AT&T has replied on their Facebook page indicating that current customers may keep the $30/month unlimited plan even when they upgrade to a new iPhone:

"The good news for current customers who love their unlimited plan is this: they are not required to switch, even when it's time to upgrade to a new phone. So you are welcome to keep your unlimited plan "

SO THERE YOU GO! You can stop b!tching now.

FOR iPAD 3G USERS.. Sorry!

UNLESS, you want tethering. Then you must change plans.
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post #70 of 360
6/2/10 at 7:11am
I wonder how much bandwidth the typical iAd will require...
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post #71 of 360
6/2/10 at 7:11am
The point really shouldn't be how much data you use now because as always, the technology drives the data use. How much data did you all use before the introduction of the 3G or 3GS?

Sure many of you might have been using say, 1 gig of data before, but those were on phones that didn't have video chat, that didn't allow backgrounding of Pandora, etc.

The reality is that when all the folks on here were using Palms, or Razrs, or whatever they had before the iPhone, they were probably lucky if they used 50 MB of data a month let alone 500 MB. The iPhone changed that past use and it is likely the new one will change it yet again. Now Apple is going to intro a new phone with many new cloud and data intensive features and the plans that allowed best use of it are going to be gone and in their place will be much more expensive plans per gigabyte.

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post #72 of 360
6/2/10 at 7:11am
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So even if you pay the extra money for tethering you are STILL limited to 2 GB? The extra $20/month should get me more bandwidth, too!!

So let's see all the ATT apologetics who complained about Verizon's 5 GB cap chime in. 2 GB is crap, especially if you are downloading apps or media. And everyone who said the iPad data plan pricing was evidence of Apple sticking with ATT as the sole provider (due to it's low pricing), how long did that last?

I understand a lot of the complaints, but are you seriously downloading apps and media via 3G? I listen to streaming radio all the time, and in fact that's why as of right now I'm at 800MB on day 14 of the month on my service. ATT limits app download size to 20MB anyway, I very rarely download any apps unless I'm on Wifi and the data plan is specific to 3G. Even if it were possible, I definitely wouldn't want to download any large apps on 3G.
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post #73 of 360
6/2/10 at 7:12am
I keep missing he point. The iPhone's killer app is supposed to be making calls and that is what it is the worst at. The iPad's killer app is the internet and it can't see a large portion of the internet that uses the evil Flash.

Now AT&T is charging extra for data and tethering at a time when, according to Apple, the world is moving from the desktop to cloud computing and everything is going to be on the internet.

Okay, actually I do get the point. AT&T is positioning itself to make a lot of money. What I don't get is why this is a good thing for consumers. \
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6/2/10 at 7:13am
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You know, its funny. My kindle still has free internet access wherever I go....

Cool! say, can you flip me that last doc you created on your Kindle?

Wait...what?? You didn't and you can't?

OK - well, never mind then.
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6/2/10 at 7:13am
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Dude, he's not alone on this.. 98% of smartphone users use less than 2GB. So you should say there's only 2% of you who are pissed off (is a more appropriate statement).

And some subset of the other 98% is pissed off at the 2%, because they are the reason that tethering has taken so long to show up. Let's face it, the only way we were ever going to get iPhone tethering was if there were data plan limits. As Teh Steve said last night on the Rupert Murdock Show (er, I mean, D8), AT&T pumps way more data traffic across their 3G network than the other wireless carriers combined.

There is always the other option for tethering, which is the Sprint 3G/4G Overdrive but their unlimited data plan only applies to 4G data access (which is nowhere to be found except in a few key cities).

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post #76 of 360
6/2/10 at 7:14am
A couple thoughts

Tethering: Lets see here let's the better deal, $20 for tethering and sharing your iPhone's 2G or $25+ a couple bucks in tax to let your Macbook have its own data plan?

$15 data plus plan: Its a really crappy deal with for what they're charging (500mb would be more acceptable) but think of it this way, users who were put off by the $30 data plan might be more inclined to bite at $15.
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6/2/10 at 7:17am
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So even if you pay the extra money for tethering you are STILL limited to 2 GB? The extra $20/month should get me more bandwidth, too!!

So let's see all the ATT apologetics who complained about Verizon's 5 GB cap chime in. 2 GB is crap, especially if you are downloading apps or media. And everyone who said the iPad data plan pricing was evidence of Apple sticking with ATT as the sole provider (due to it's low pricing), how long did that last?

Now more than ever we need another carrier in the US to get the iPhone and iPad to provide some competition (and relieve the strain on ATTs network).

"For customers who exceed the cap, an extra 1GB in the DataPro plan costs $10, and an extra 200MB in the DataPlus plan runs $15."

Are you freakin' kidding me! That's borderline blackmail to get you to go for the more expensive plan. Verizon's $60/month mifi card is looking pretty attractive right now. Too bad you can't get an iPhone without a data plan. Maybe pair the mifi with a touch and dump ATT altogether.

Agreed, if the $20 doesn't give me additional data then what is AT&T providing me? Allowing me to share my phone's data is a hardware solution only if it doesn't come with additional data.
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post #78 of 360
6/2/10 at 7:19am
Couple of Points:

1. What kind of tethering? If it's only USB/Bluetooth then it's worthless. WiFi tethering is the only worthwhile way to go, and I have no plans to stop my iPhone from doing so.

2. $15/200 mb is good, but not good enough. For people new to iPhone, who are leery about the extreme cost (given that they barely use data at all), this 200 mb a month should be FREE. That's right it should. Free. If you exceed the first 200 mb, then AT&T can charge you $15 for 200 more for the month. THIS would be useful for attracting all those 50 and 60 year olds who would love a phone they could actually see (nothing compares to iPhone) and could actually justify the cost.

3. 2 gb/$25 is extortion, borderline criminal. This is going backwards, and its the worst news we have ever received in the life of the iPhone.

4. Thank God AT&T is not going to screw existing customers out of their Unlimited plans (at least not this year, be prepared for it to happen though!).
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6/2/10 at 7:19am
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

You know your complaint and implication were that AT&T was going to raise the price of unlimited data. Why would you complain about AT&T lowering the cost for 98% of it's customers?

The other part of your speculation AT&T did not follow Verizon on this move. Verizon will follow AT&T.

I know exactly what I meant and that was that via some means, the new iPhone would be less affordable than the current one. I didn't claim to have the ONE answer, just validity in speculating. You on the other hand did claim to have the one answer, and declared AT&T would change nothing before the arrival of LTE.

A point on which you were completely and totally wrong I should add.

So whether it was tiered data, more expensive unlimited data, or an add on fee for video chat, my point was that I wanted to wait and see what AT&T would do before the iPhone drops because based off the rising ETF fee, it is clear their direction was changing.

Some here are noting their current use. Others are catching on though and realizing, video chat, iAds, networked gaming, etc. it is all multiplying use and now that use is going to be more expensive.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

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6/2/10 at 7:19am
I'll be saving a lot of money for the 3 iPhones on my account.

Let the data hogs pay for what they use.

Why is everyone complaining? These are all OPTIONs! Options are good.
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