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Originally Posted by Lemmywinks View Post

I don't understand why so many people are bent out of shape about this. If the new plans aren't for you then stay with what you have. If you're a light user, switch. My wife uses 350mb a month, I use about 1.5gb. I'm not switching but I might switch her to 2gb.

because people WANT tethering. I switched to sprint for 4G with tethering all for cheaper than my current AT&T bill. Screw AT&T. Always ALWAYS hated them.
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post #82 of 360
Only the true data hogs will be paying more. On another web site some poster was lamenting that he used something like 60GB/mo all the time. That's the type that needs to pay a lot more. That's a real data hog.
post #83 of 360
let's do a quick poll of the majority user population on the iPhone on ATT. How many do you think require/want tethering? Remember the MAJORITY of users, not just you ubergeeks - anyone? Yeah that's right - only a very small percentage actually want or need tethering. Stupid ATT for playing to the majority user profile!

OK - next question. How many current iPhone on ATT users actually need unlimited data? Anyone - OK wait - put down the "freedom for the packets" signs you geeks. Again - look at the majority of users. They gain from this. ATT is just assigning costs where costs are actually incurred, after 3 years of "unlimited" data (OK yeah we know about the actual cap - stop being such a bloody pedant). Foolish ATT for saving the majority a little change!

Now you all should have been on one network or other for some time - while they throw discounts out from time to time - how long do you think it will take for Verizon to change their tune and start charging more for their data plans? Especially if Apple releases an iPhone for Verizon (or the other networks for that matter)? Data is a cash cow for all of them and while they throw out the odd discount now and again, as smartphones become more generally popular they are going to line up to start milking the cow big time.

There is no savior, there is no altruism when it comes to gouging the consumer - and they all will do it, it's just a matter of when, not if. If the iPhone (or Android as well for that matter) moves across all the platforms watch your cost for data go up - especially for uberusers who are much higher than the average majority user profile.

Use your brains. There is no free ride - everything has a cost and the carriers only offer discounts in order to get you to switch to them - so they can jack you downstream.
post #84 of 360
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Originally Posted by Jerseymac View Post

I keep missing he point. The iPhone's killer app is supposed to be making calls and that is what it is the worst at. The iPad's killer app is the internet and it can't see a large portion of the internet that uses the evil Flash.

Now AT&T is charging extra for data and tethering at a time when, according to Apple, the world is moving from the desktop to cloud computing and everything is going to be on the internet.

Okay, actually I do get the point. AT&T is positioning itself to make a lot of money. What I don't get is why this is a good thing for consumers. \

Uh, making calls? What? That's actually the app I use least on my iPhone, which is what makes it so awesome! It isn't just a phone I can check e-mail on, it is a pocket computer that I use for a massive array of tasks. From GPS directions to RDP connections to our company servers the iPhone has replaced my laptop as the device I have to carry around for support. So much so that now I find myself weighing whether or not I really need tethering since I'd only carry it for the purpose of support anyway.

The iPhone will be leaving it's exclusivity soon, and when it does you watch the price wars begin. I think really the tethering limitations & changes were really just a way for them to get tethering out the door ahead of their network actually being ready for the additional data load. They are encouraging tetherors to use wifi where possible. If the tether addition comes with free AT&T wifi for my laptop then I might consider it, otherwise it is a waste for me.
post #85 of 360
I welcome the tiered data plans with grateful open arms. I've been wanting this for a long time. I'm almost always on a wi-fi network so my 3G data usage is shockingly low. It irked me to no end that I was required to pay so much for a service that I didn't even use. Now at least the fees are more manageable. $15 a month for 200MB is more than sufficient for my uses and I doubt I'll ever come close to reaching the limit.

I also think these new plans will curtail usage by the fringe who are using 3G data at insane levels.

My big gripe is that tethering costs so darn much. Why a monthly charge? Shouldn't it be like the iPad plan be an opt in at any time thing? I might be willing to pay the $20 to tether my wi-fi iPad to my iPhone 3G if I was going on a trip where I knew there wouldn't be wi-fi access. But I'm not paying $20 a month even if I don't use tethering. Also it seems insane that tethering would cost me more than the $15 a month data plan on my iPhone. Shouldn't tethering cost less than your data plan?

So not perfect, but still a welcome change.
post #86 of 360
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Originally Posted by hodgkin View Post

I really thought that ATT had gotten this whole thing "right" for the iPad. No contracts, buy on the device, reasonable rates, simple plans, easy upgrade path, blah, blah. What's surprising to me is that they're changing these plans SO soon after the introduction of the iPad. I mean, I suppose these plans are subject to change, but this is a pretty quick change -- it's barely been a month.

Yes, it is unfortunate. Fortunately, I got my iPad 3G in April and have the unlimited plan. However, I'm not sure that I won't change, anyway. I'm almost always using my iPad where there's WiFi and I suspect that my 3G usage is minimal. The new plan might save me money, anyway.

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Originally Posted by markbyrn View Post

Only the most cultish of Apple fanboy will spin this ripoff as something good. The people who just purchased the iPad 3Gs with the happy promises of unlimited data plan are now finding out that Lord Jobs & AT&T have essentially lied through their teeth. Mass returns, class action lawsuits, FTC, you name it.

Who's going to return it? Anyone who signed up for the old plan gets to keep the old plan. No reason for complaints (except the incessant whiners on AI, of course).

New purchasers will be presented with the new plan - and make their choice of whether to buy or not. But considering that the majority of users will actually see a price cut, it's not likely to hurt Apple. In fact, if it gets some of the super-heavy downloaders off AT&T, it might HELP service for everyone.

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Originally Posted by sheff View Post

Additional $20 for teathering to a 2GB plan? Are you shitting me ATT. Cheaper to get clear home and have 4g everywhere on your laptop and you home with (what I believe) is unlimited data plan, or at least way more then 2gb.

Oh, yeah. I'll just never use my laptop on the road. If I'm in Japan, I'll just wait until I'm home to check my email. Real smart.

In reality, for a very small number of people, tethering makes sense. For most, it doesn't. I can check my email on my phone or iPad without tethering. I can use WiFi in most places without tethering. If you need tethering, though, it's probably worth $20.

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Originally Posted by Lemmywinks View Post

I don't understand why so many people are bent out of shape about this. If the new plans aren't for you then stay with what you have. If you're a light user, switch. My wife uses 350mb a month, I use about 1.5gb. I'm not switching but I might switch her to 2gb.

It's because some people just have to complain or they're not happy. Particularly if they can complain about Apple.

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Originally Posted by brantdevlin View Post

Why doesn't AT&T just say "GO THE F%$! AWAY!".
If someone else does not start providing iPhone service it may be time for Droids all around!

Yeah. Darned AT&T lowered prices for most customers and decided that the superdownloaders who are downloading hundreds of GB of data and slowing down the rest of the network should have to pay for their usage. Pure evil.

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Originally Posted by biosci View Post

Not sure if I'm getting this right... So if I'm using an unlimited 3G plan on the iPad right now, next month will also be unlimited?

What if I cancel at the end of the month, and then restart again in Aug? Will it be unlimited or will it be the new 2gb cap plan?

People are able to keep their existing plans. According to AT&T, even if you switch to a new iPhone you can keep the old plan. I don't know about the iPad, though.

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Originally Posted by 1966goat View Post

You know, its funny. My kindle still has free internet access wherever I go....

But does it play Flash?

Seriously, comparing the Kindle's internet access to iPad or iPhone access is absurd. Can you check your email? Browse the web? Watch a movie?

Besides, so far, every book I've purchased for my iPad was bought at home and then read while traveling. I would rarely need to buy one somewhere that doesn't have WiFi.

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Originally Posted by mountaingrub View Post

As a "heavy" user this upsets me tremendously. I go way over 2GB a month, and do you know why? I am buying music, movies, and apps from Apple and playing online games that I paid for.

Then you keep your old plan. Problem solved.

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The biggest problems with the change in costs for these plans is that you don't know how much it's going to cost you from month to month if you go over.

Actually, you do. When you get close to your limit, you'll get a notice that you're approaching the limit and how much the charge will be.
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post #87 of 360
Mostly this change screams that AT&T has been overcharging 98% of smartphone users.

My guess is that changing plans will forfeit your right to the grandfathering. Anyone know for sure?
post #88 of 360
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Originally Posted by mountaingrub View Post

As a "heavy" user this upsets me tremendously. I go way over 2GB a month, and do you know why? I am buying music, movies, and apps from Apple and playing online games that I paid for. This is an example of how the mainstreaming of the internet is screwing the people who have been around for a long time. These companies charge an arm and a leg and then start capping the amount that people can download. That is bs. I will abandon Apple and keep switching to companies that offer true unlimited data plans. To those who cave in and say "this is the future" you are ignorant and letting companies push you around. With the amount of money these companies make it shouldn't be blamed on consumers using "too much bandwidth" - it is the company's responsibility to improve their infrastructure by updating their tech to meet the demands of the future. I can't tell you how many dropped calls I get a day on my iPhone, but I put up with the crap because I know that I at least get unlimited data. What is the point of staying with this crappy network if they don't even offer one good perk.

you don't get unlimited data - you just haven't hit the real cap. And what percent of the market do you represent? a very, very small one. What will you do when they all are charging and arm and a leg - because you know very well that that is where this is going to go. Period. So go ahead and abandon Apple. It's your choice and bounce all you want - but know in the end your choices will eventually run out. Why don't you start up an UBERUSERS consumer group and start petitioning the FCC for pricing regulations on the carriers? If enough highend data users make enough noise you will attract some attention from the politicos and bureaucrats. Be proactive instead of reactive? Oh wait that would require some effort on your part - sorry - what was I thinking....
post #89 of 360
well, i know everyone is calling foul at the part of ATT. And I know it's not going to kill me to have a hard cap on my iPhone, should I upgrade to the Gen 4. And yes, I know this is total BS to have a hard cap on data. BUT...Have any of you out there actually checked your data usage stats on your iPhone account? I'm a pretty average to regular user of Mobile data for work and home use on the go. Today is my 28th out of 31st day of my billing cycle and my data usage is 161 mb! I was as shocked as you might be if you knew me. My work doesn't have WiFi available to anyone so i have to use the iPhone in 3G mode all day and my battery is nearly dead every day. So, much to my suprise, I'm happy to upgrade because it's going to mean a 15$/mo. decrease in my phone bill. For all you that think you need more than 2GB, you might not. Either way your bill would drop by $5/mo. regardless. So quit with the winning already. If you need more than 2GB and you are NOT teathering, you have a serious problem or need to switch to the Enterprise plan, which it $45/Mo. and i think it does have unlimited usage, but i could be wrong on that.
post #90 of 360
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Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post

This might save me a bit of money. My wife barely goes over 150MB or so and she surely won't go over 2GB on her iPhone 3GS. I could just drop her data plan to 200MB or switch it to 2GB on demand and save some bucks. Hell, a $15 savings a month is a big flippin' deal.

Hell, I could probably even drop down to the 2GB plan myself and save another $5 a month. I think the most I ever used in a month was 1GB, and that was because I was tethering in Las Vegas because the hotel Wi-Fi during CES 2010 was absolutely horrible.

I know that a lot of people will bitch about this, but it works for me

Same here. My wife and I can save $30/month combined. Vast majority of my data is via wifi anyway. I rarely come close to 200MG, and if I do, I can retroactively bump up to the $25 plan in any given month.

Seems reasonable for me.
post #91 of 360
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Originally Posted by mountaingrub View Post

As a "heavy" user this upsets me tremendously. I go way over 2GB a month, and do you know why? I am buying music, movies, and apps from Apple and playing online games that I paid for. This is an example of how the mainstreaming of the internet is screwing the people who have been around for a long time. These companies charge an arm and a leg and then start capping the amount that people can download. That is bs. I will abandon Apple and keep switching to companies that offer true unlimited data plans. To those who cave in and say "this is the future" you are ignorant and letting companies push you around. With the amount of money these companies make it shouldn't be blamed on consumers using "too much bandwidth" - it is the company's responsibility to improve their infrastructure by updating their tech to meet the demands of the future. I can't tell you how many dropped calls I get a day on my iPhone, but I put up with the crap because I know that I at least get unlimited data. What is the point of staying with this crappy network if they don't even offer one good perk.

Maybe instead of using your unlimited downloads for entertainment purposes you should actually do some work? You got yourself into this mess, i'm sure you'll find an unsatisfying way out of it.
post #92 of 360
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Originally Posted by Tulkas View Post

Those sound like incredibly shitty plans. So, not only will there be a hard cap, but on top of the cap you will have to pay significantly more for tethering?

I hate my carrier (Rogers/Fido) but damn I am glad for them right now. I pay $30 for 6GB and no extra for tethering.

Agreed. A buddy of mine just got a Palm Pre Plus on Verizon. He can make a free WiFi Hot Spot with his phone and tether several devices at once. For free.
post #93 of 360
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Originally Posted by Zendolphyn View Post

Great observation.

I think AT&T is making a grab for as much extra cash as they can get away with before a mass exodus once another/any carrier comes into play.

And you think another carrier, um...Verizon?, is going to offer more generous terms? That's a little naive on your part.
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post #94 of 360
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Originally Posted by ruel24 View Post

Yep, what a ripoff! I was considering moving from Verizon to AT&T just to get an iPhone, but now I'm definitely going to stick with Verizon and hope they get the iPhone soon. If not, Droid here I come... This just proves there's no real competition out there in the mobile wireless market. It's Verizon, AT&T, and pretty much all the non-players in the market who don't have enough infrustructure - and we all suffer.

Wait and see if Verizon follows suit. After all, these guys tend to copycat each other. Just like AT&T bumped up the cancellation charges last week, etc.
post #95 of 360
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Originally Posted by trumptman View Post

The point really shouldn't be how much data you use now because as always, the technology drives the data use. How much data did you all use before the introduction of the 3G or 3GS?

Sure many of you might have been using say, 1 gig of data before, but those were on phones that didn't have video chat, that didn't allow backgrounding of Pandora, etc.

The reality is that when all the folks on here were using Palms, or Razrs, or whatever they had before the iPhone, they were probably lucky if they used 50 MB of data a month let alone 500 MB. The iPhone changed that past use and it is likely the new one will change it yet again. Now Apple is going to intro a new phone with many new cloud and data intensive features and the plans that allowed best use of it are going to be gone and in their place will be much more expensive plans per gigabyte.

Exactly. The 3G iPad has been out a month, there is no way AT$T can know how much data that thing will generate. To say only 2% use more than 5 GB is old news. The technology is only getting better and faster and now AT$T is trying to slow it down. Bottom line is if another carrier had the iPhone they wouldn't try this, when your customers have no other option they can do what ever they want. As soon as another carrier gets the iPhone and offers unlimited AT$T will be stuck.
post #96 of 360
What did you guys expect? Free unlimited tethering?! We all knew this was coming. You want tethering then pay for it. This might save me $30/month for both iPhone on my family plan. I have WiFi everywhere and I use less than 200MB cellular data.

To me, it sounds that AT&T will lose its iPhone exclusivity this Jun.
post #97 of 360
I believe it was said a while back that the rational behind the extra charge is because tethered notebook/laptop can use more data by virtue of being able to multitask - multiple simultaneous downloads/uploads unlike the iPhone thus potentially overloading the available bandwidth. Therefore they charge for that.

I have a 3G express card for my MBP with unlimited data so I won't be tethering anyway.

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Originally Posted by jetlaw View Post

Apple is building a gigantic "cloud farm" in NC, the purpose for which is to promote the idea of always-connected cloud-based computing. Meanwhile, the exclusive provider of 3G connectivity for their mobile devises is making byte-counters out of all their users. At some point, this is going to become a genuine conflict. I suspect that when it does that we will finally have a Verizon iPhone.

You do realize that Verizon's CEO said they are looking to do the same thing?

I am using an average of 360mb per month over the last 18 months, my wife who is in WIFI range more often than I am is using even less. This new plan looks like it will save me $120 per year, even if the new cameras cause me to quadruple my data usage. If the new plans cause data hogs to actually turn on their WIFI antennas and make use of the hot spots available to them, perhaps the other 97% of us will see better performance. Boy this is really gunna suck huh?
post #99 of 360
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Originally Posted by hezetation View Post

Uh, making calls? What? That's actually the app I use least on my iPhone, which is what makes it so awesome!

So you spent (whatever hundreds) for a smart phone and eighty bucks a month for a phone plan and you hardly use it for a phone?

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Originally Posted by hezetation View Post

I find myself weighing whether or not I really need tethering since I'd only carry it for the purpose of support anyway.

And the classic AI forum poster response to anything the we are denied (Flash, MMS, multi tasking) or overcharged for (Text, Tethering): "I don't really need it anyway."

I'm not trying to pick on you my friend, I'm just trying to understand it all. I want to "be there" when the next revolution happens, really I do. I can't figure out if Apple is insanely great or has just gone insane lately.

It's probably just me. No doubt people are going to stay up all night to get the new iPhone and will pay AT&T anything they want to tether it to the iPad.

And what if your in a dead zone and can't get a cell signal? Well then, I guess you didn't really need one anyway.
post #100 of 360
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Originally Posted by Katonah View Post

So... with this new plan I can pay $25 (instead of the current $30), and add $20 for tethering, and use the tethering to get 3G service on my iPad, thus allowing me to avoid paying $30 per month for the iPad 3G service? Or am I missing something?


Are you sure that the iPad can be tethered? I've never seen any comments one way or the other, but it would not be surprising if it were somehow disabled.
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Originally Posted by hodgkin View Post

I really thought that ATT had gotten this whole thing "right" for the iPad. No contracts, buy on the device, reasonable rates, simple plans, easy upgrade path, blah, blah. What's surprising to me is that they're changing these plans SO soon after the introduction of the iPad. I mean, I suppose these plans are subject to change, but this is a pretty quick change -- it's barely been a month.

It was clear that the days of flat-rate unlimited data were over when Steve announced the new iPad data plans.

This shouldn't be any surprise.
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Originally Posted by Wurm5150 View Post

This is is good news and a money saver for a lot of people. If you don't see the benefit of this, you're either part of the 2% of the affected heavy data user population or just shortsighted and just plain hate AT&T. Why should I have to pay $30 when I can only pay $15? The overage is also a game changer and very reasonable. This is actually good for both AT&T and Apple. This will get more people (who think the mandatory $30 data plan is too much), casual users at the expense of possibly losing a few people from the 2% population.

Sorry for you heavy data users but there's only a few of you. You're one the main the reasons why AT&T is doing this.

AT&T finally realized they've been overcharging their customers...

Stop defending this Crap, if they realize they were over chairing, why didn't then KEEP the "unlimited" (really 5 gig) plan and make a new plan for 1 gig for $15 and keep the "unlimited" plan. Allot of people would have switched to that plan and people who wanted "unlimited" (5 gig) would still be happy. I love how people are like I do use much data. Yeah maybe NOW you don't, but what happens once video chat comes out, or Itunes cloud, Sling box over 3g, Hulu, SKYPE Etc.. You don't realize the data you will be using. The iPad plan change is a SLAP in the face. this weekend I downloaded a movie off itunes on my iPad(since i was not at home) it was 1.4 gigs, I streamed the Celtics game using sling box (600 mb). Downloaded a GPS app (1.7 gigs) downloaded the Wired magazine app (500 mb) This was just one weekend!!!

This is BULL CRAP. AT&T Should be expanding their capacity on their net work not lowing their CAPs and charging MORE. They are just gouging now.

The Tethering plan is a F'ING joke! pay extra $20 for the same bits but get NO more data.
WTF do they really think we are stupid. This is Bull its time to switch.
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Originally Posted by markbyrn View Post

Only the most cultish of Apple fanboy will spin this ripoff as something good. The people who just purchased the iPad 3Gs with the happy promises of unlimited data plan are now finding out that Lord Jobs & AT&T have essentially lied through their teeth. Mass returns, class action lawsuits, FTC, you name it.

You are a moron. Most of us will save money on this plan, well if you count 98% as most. As for the iPad people, no one lied to them, anyone who purchased an iPad, or who buys one within the next week can keep the plans that were announced with the iPad release.
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Originally Posted by masternav View Post

let's do a quick poll of the majority user population on the iPhone on ATT. How many do you think require/want tethering? Remember the MAJORITY of users, not just you ubergeeks - anyone? Yeah that's right - only a very small percentage actually want or need tethering. Stupid ATT for playing to the majority user profile!

Lets do another poll, how many iPhone users also have wifi iPad? How many require/want tehering? The thing has only been out a few months so there are no real statistics other than the fact it is selling like mad. Tethering to most people before the iPad was taboo but now, who knows. Being able to tether through my iPhone with my iPad is fantastic (MYFI) and I still use less then 2 GB a month.

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OK - next question. How many current iPhone on ATT users actually need unlimited data? Anyone - OK wait - put down the "freedom for the packets" signs you geeks. Again - look at the majority of users. They gain from this. ATT is just assigning costs where costs are actually incurred, after 3 years of "unlimited" data (OK yeah we know about the actual cap - stop being such a bloody pedant). Foolish ATT for saving the majority a little change!

Again, prior to the iPad and the soon to launch OS4, many users didnt, now with a whole slew of technology just dropped on us or getting ready to drop on us it is fair to say the montly usage is going to go up, AT$T knows this and sees a way to make more money, they know that 2% is going to increase rapidly.


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Now you all should have been on one network or other for some time - while they throw discounts out from time to time - how long do you think it will take for Verizon to change their tune and start charging more for their data plans? Especially if Apple releases an iPhone for Verizon (or the other networks for that matter)? Data is a cash cow for all of them and while they throw out the odd discount now and again, as smartphones become more generally popular they are going to line up to start milking the cow big time.

Not really. All it takes is one carrier to stay with unlimited and the others will soon have to go back. Back when cell phones first came out I paid $50 a month for 30 mins. As carriers increased data and eventually offered unlimited, all the rest had to follow suit. AT$T only gets away with this because they are the only ones carrying the iPhone, we have no other options if we want an iPhone. As soon as another carrier gets the iPhone they will want to draw customers, how will they do it, offer unlimited data and AT&T customers will flock. This is why AT$t raised the ETF and is trying hard to lock people into new two year contracts. They know customers do not have a choice but once they do they have allot to account for.
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Originally Posted by pmz View Post

1. What kind of tethering? If it's only USB/Bluetooth then it's worthless. WiFi tethering is the only worthwhile way to go, and I have no plans to stop my iPhone from doing so.

From a performance standpoint a wired connection is always better than wireless.

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2. $15/200 mb is good, but not good enough. For people new to iPhone, who are leery about the extreme cost (given that they barely use data at all), this 200 mb a month should be FREE. That's right it should. Free. If you exceed the first 200 mb, then AT&T can charge you $15 for 200 more for the month. THIS would be useful for attracting all those 50 and 60 year olds who would love a phone they could actually see (nothing compares to iPhone) and could actually justify the cost.

I'm not sure you understand how this works. AT&T is in this to make as much money as it can. Giving away a premium service for free does not accomplish that goal.

The US mobile phone market is nearly saturated. The carriers are loosing the ability to add subscribers as revenue growth. Data is the future of carrier revenue. They want to get as many of their subscribers on data plans as possible.

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3. 2 gb/$25 is extortion, borderline criminal. This is going backwards, and its the worst news we have ever received in the life of the iPhone.

And somehow the world will keep spinning and life will go on.
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Are you sure that the iPad can be tethered? I've never seen any comments one way or the other, but it would not be surprising if it were somehow disabled.

Only through WIFI. Works great on my iPhone using MYFI.
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Originally Posted by Stevie View Post

It was clear that the days of flat-rate unlimited data were over when Steve announced the new iPad data plans.

This shouldn't be any surprise.

Oh yeah, its was VERY CLEAR. when Steve took the stage and said UNLIMITED DATA for iPAD 3G on AT&T only $30. How could you think it he meant UNLIMITED DATA. I sure hell new he meant caped data for $25 a month. How could you not think that?
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So good for AT&T for making the 2% pay more. If it improves the network, then great. Although I though they are shooting themselves in the foot. So in easy numbers 1.9 million people have been "overpaying" by only using 200MB of data but still paying 30.00 a month. .1 million people have been going over 5GB and only paying 30.00. From AT&T's profits perspective, doesn't it sound like they were making more from the 1.9 million people who were underutilizing what they were paying for, by an extreme amount (90%), which would easily offset the .1 million who go over the 5GB.

Now from a customer's perspective, going from 5GB at 30.00 to 2GB at 25.00. That's what I'm pissed about. Great most of us use a lot less data. the 15.00 for 200MB should work for most. But if you do the math, the 2GB is a 60% decrease in the amount of data were are allowed. The price for for that 60% decrease is only about 12% savings. The 2GB plans should be more like 15.00 which would still be only a 50% savings for the 60% decrease of product. I'll give AT&T that because they are still making more profits, and I as the customer are getting a fair deal.

The tethering charge is ridiculous. That extra 20.00 should buy me extra data (up to 5GB like the laptop connect plans). Like people have said, tethering doesn't cost AT&T anything. The software is built into the iphone and has been in there for months already.

As for the iPad bait and switch,
I bought a 3G iPad and now want to return it. It isn't clear but I"m sure as soon as I stop using the 3G for one month, I'll be on the new plan when I sign up again.

This screams of "booo, we lost our exclusivity". I could imagine that AT&T struck a deal with Apple to keep the exclusivity in return for these lower ipad plans, and then their service sucked so Apple was able to get out of that contract... and this is AT&T's way of sticking it to Apple for reneging. Piss of the apple customers and they'll buy different phones. Especially if Verizon doesn't see the phone until November. Plenty of time to get Apple customers pissed off so they can get you to switch to another phone.



I also see this as a way to get more money. As much as you think you only use 200MB a month now. wait until you can multi-task and do video chat. That's numbers going up! And you'll pay AT&T a lot more for the pleasure of using the features of your phone.


I live in SF and the AT&T service is such crap! I replied to their "we put up new towers in SF" email announcement with, "it didn't work, now the service is worse. I now have 5 bars and drop a call where at least before the new towers, I had 2 bars and dropped a call and might think it was acceptable." --No response from AT&T.
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Originally Posted by Wurm5150 View Post

This is is good news and a money saver for a lot of people. If you don't see the benefit of this, you're either part of the 2% of the affected heavy data user population...

Sorry for you heavy data users but there's only a few of you. You're one the main the reasons why AT&T is doing this.

AT&T finally realized they've been overcharging their customers...



If you read the information presented in other comments, the negatively affected percentage is 35%, and not 2%.

IOW, if you are together with a couple of friends, look left and right, because one of them is a "heavy data user".
post #111 of 360
bait and switch.
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So now your story becomes that you speculated that AT&T would change data price structure in any way. Even though your implication is that they would raise the price. Your speculation said nothing about lowering the price.

I guarantee you this is directly because of LTE. They are lowering the costs of 3G so that more people get smart phones and data plans become the norm. This sets up for them to charge a premium for 4G.



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I know exactly what I meant and that was that via some means, the new iPhone would be less affordable than the current one. I didn't claim to have the ONE answer, just validity in speculating. You on the other hand did claim to have the one answer, and declared AT&T would change nothing before the arrival of LTE.

A point on which you were completely and totally wrong I should add.

So whether it was tiered data, more expensive unlimited data, or an add on fee for video chat, my point was that I wanted to wait and see what AT&T would do before the iPhone drops because based off the rising ETF fee, it is clear their direction was changing.

Some here are noting their current use. Others are catching on though and realizing, video chat, iAds, networked gaming, etc. it is all multiplying use and now that use is going to be more expensive.
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Okay, actually I do get the point. AT&T is positioning itself to make a lot of money. What I don't get is why this is a good thing for consumers. \



Think of ATT as Apple. Folks routinely laud Apple's gross margins. They say it is good for Apple customers, for various reasons, like the continued ability to fund R&D.

So too increased profits at ATT are good for ATT customers. If one subscribes to the Apple way of thinking.
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So the $20 per month for tethering pays for what exactly? Not the software on the iPhone... Not the software on the PC... Not the additional bandwidth... This is just another example of a carrier charging a ridiculous amount for something that should be included in the regular bandwidth costs.

It's a lot like how after I've gone through a two year contract with my subsidized phone, the monthly costs of the contract don't decrease. As much as I am loathe to see it, bring on the FCC and some congressional oversight. Consumers are getting raped AND they have limited choice.

Tethering should be free, there is no additional service provided. You could make an argument with an unlimited plan, but not for one with a hard cap.

Glad I'm in Canada. You guys should tell AT&T to shove it.
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Cool! say, can you flip me that last doc you created on your Kindle?

Wait...what?? You didn't and you can't?

OK - well, never mind then.



I just made a cool flash video of my kids. Want me to flip that to your iPad?
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what do you need tethering for if you have a smartphone?
and do you really need to be online so much?

people, get your heads out of your laptops and enjoy the outdoors a little. talk to someone face to face. lose some weight!!
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

From a performance standpoint a wired connection is always better than wireless.

Absolutely not, in this case. USB limits performance to one device, that also has a USB port. Please see the infinite value in using WiFi tethering from an iPhone with a WiFi-only iPad....

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I'm not sure you understand how this works. AT&T is in this to Anne as much money as it can. Giving away a premium service for free does not accomplish that goal.

I'm not sure you understand how this works. For 3 straight years AT&T has only offered and required Unlimited data, for 20, then $30/mon. This was prohibitive to many potential customers. What AT&T wants is more subscribers, not more dollars per user. The $15 option is supposed to lure the person who wants an iPhone, but isn't a power user. It's a good idea, but I do not think it's aggressive enough. Maybe not 200 mb, but at least 50 or 100 mb should be FREE. Exceeding that amount would result in a charge, but this would be very useful for signing up more and more and more people of diverse mobile phone usage. Critical thinking skills, buddy.

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The US mobile phone market is nearly saturated. The carriers are loosing the ability to add subscribers as revenue growth. Data is the future of carrier revenue. They want to get as many of their subscribers on data plans as possible.

Yea, no kidding, see above.
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Originally Posted by scotty321 View Post

The name of this article should really be changed to:

AT&T nearly doubles the cost of 5 GB of data for users, from $30 per month to $55 per month

Exactly. These new plans won't work for heavy data users.

They also just gave their competition an excellent marketing advantage.
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So the $20 per month for tethering pays for what exactly? Not the software on the iPhone... Not the software on the PC... Not the additional bandwidth... This is just another example of a carrier charging a ridiculous amount for something that should be included in the regular bandwidth costs.

My thoughts as well. It seems to me if you are going to have a data plan with caps then everything that uses data should be no extra charge, other than the data the services used out of your monthly allocation.

Tethering, texting, email, web browsing, etc., should all be free but the data they use would apply to your cap.

Hopefully, I can resist upgrading my iPhone when the 4G comes out. I will start shopping for Android phones on another carrier.

I love my iPhone. AT&T knows that others like me will pay their new fees to keep it. The only way to fight them is to prove them wrong. Android here I come.

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AT&T has replied on their Facebook page indicating that current customers may keep the $30/month unlimited plan even when they upgrade to a new iPhone:

"The good news for current customers who love their unlimited plan is this: they are not required to switch, even when it's time to upgrade to a new phone. So you are welcome to keep your unlimited plan "

SO THERE YOU GO! You can stop b!tching now.

FOR iPAD 3G USERS.. Sorry!



That will NEVER happen. They get too much enjoyment out of the constant whining for any reason at all apparently
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