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A new patent application from Apple describes a new, secure method of digital rights management that would identify the authenticity of a device based on the unique physical emission properties of a "particle gun."

The application, entitled "System and Method for Authentication Based on Particle Gun Emissions," was filed with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office this week. It states that current DRM methods for authentication, but by their nature they can lack security.

"Allowing initial information to be recovered from final information is a major flaw in cryptography systems since the objective of cryptographic systems is to protect the initial information," the application reads. "Many authentication systems exist. Accordingly, what is needed in the art is an improved way to perform authentication, such that it is impossible to extract initial information from final information."

Apple's solution would employ a particle gun, which would send an emission with unique physical properties to a receiver which would be able to verify the authenticity. The receiver would then generate a second value, and compare it with the first.

"Generating the first and second values is based at least in part on input data that provides physical emission properties of the particle gun including at least one of initial speed, electromagnetic fields, mass, electronic charge and time," it says. "The method of authenticating based on physical particle gun emissions makes it difficult to recover initial input from output values."



The application describes the particle gun as a device with a pair of conductive plates that generate two separate, independent and uniform electromagnetic fields.

The physical properties of the particles generated would be calculated based on time, mass, initial velocity, electromagnetic field intensity, and the orientation of the particles when they leave the gun. These properties would allow both the sender and receiver to create an identical "secret" code that would be extremely difficult to crack, ensuring security.

Made public this week, the application was first filed by Apple on Dec. 1, 2008. The invention is credited to Augustin J. Farrugia, Mathieu Ciet, and Pierre Betouin.
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Wow. This sounds like Star Trek tech. We will have to invent some other future, because our childhood's future is quickly becoming the present.
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This sounds like Masters of Orion (or something similar). No doubt they are hard at work on particle gun level 2.
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The iPhaser? Great. I'd like one installed fore and aft on my truck.
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So, I guess Apple's goal here is to invent a DRM system that is actually an effective deterrent to piracy.

Wow. That'd be really big as not only a solution to brokering mass media, but as a stand alone product in itself for all kinds of authentication applications.

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Didn't Arnold Schwarzenegger use a particle gun in that one movie?

Scary!
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post #8 of 37
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"The application describes the particle gun as a device with a pair of conductive plates that generate two separate, independent and uniform electromagnetic fields.


Nice, have they considered the side effects of using this "revolutionary" device?


Can electromagnetic fields (EMF) from power lines, home wiring, airport and military radar, substations, transformers, computers and appliances cause brain tumors, leukemia, birth defects, miscarriages, chronic fatigue, headaches, cataracts, heart problems, stress. nausea, chest pain, forgetfulness, cancer and other health problems?
Numerous studies have produced contradictory results, yet some experts are convinced that the threat is real.

Dr. David Carpenter, Dean at the School of Public Health, State University of New York believes it is likely that up to 30% of all childhood cancers come from exposure to EMFs. The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) warns "There is reason for concern" and advises prudent avoidance".

Martin Halper, the EPA's Director of Analysis and Support says "I have never seen a set of epidemiological studies that remotely approached the weight of evidence that we're seeing with EMFs. Clearly there is something here."

http://www.mercola.com/article/emf/emf_dangers.htm

No matter what type of media...movies, music, books, photos and web pages

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post #9 of 37
Anything man can invent, man can circumvent.

Here's a novel idea. Price the materials reasonably, trust your customer, and don't try to gouge them.

Of course that will never happen, thus they will always try to charge for the material every-time a new media comes out or charge per device. It is that moronic "White Album" mentality that fuels casual piracy anyway.


Edit: So is Steve going to do another open letter declaring that he and Apple are back in favor of DRM now?
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nah man...I believe that was a rail gun used in the movie......cool none the less.

One thought he was invincible... the other thought he could fly.

They were both wrong.

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One thought he was invincible... the other thought he could fly.

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post #11 of 37
just thinking about all the opportunities for Steve to say "...Boom!" when demoing it on stage.
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The iPhaser? Great. I'd like one installed fore and aft on my truck.

That made my day.
post #13 of 37
And... it can see under your panties.
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Yup, I said, WTF!?
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Originally Posted by Russell View Post

Nice, have they considered the side effects of using this "revolutionary" device?


Can electromagnetic fields (EMF) from power lines, home wiring, airport and military radar, substations, transformers, computers and appliances cause brain tumors, leukemia, birth defects, miscarriages, chronic fatigue, headaches, cataracts, heart problems, stress. nausea, chest pain, forgetfulness, cancer and other health problems?
Numerous studies have produced contradictory results, yet some experts are convinced that the threat is real.

Dr. David Carpenter, Dean at the School of Public Health, State University of New York believes it is likely that up to 30% of all childhood cancers come from exposure to EMFs. The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) warns "There is reason for concern" and advises prudent avoidance".

Martin Halper, the EPA's Director of Analysis and Support says "I have never seen a set of epidemiological studies that remotely approached the weight of evidence that we're seeing with EMFs. Clearly there is something here."

http://www.mercola.com/article/emf/emf_dangers.htm


This is what happens when people read Wired.
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Yup, I said, WTF!?

Agreed. I don't have the slightest idea what this is article is talking about, and I doubt anyone at AI does either, or they would have included some sort of paraphrasing of the application, rather than just quoting opaque text.
post #17 of 37
So, if we ever see another Star Trek series, we can expect to hear lines about setting one's phasers to Authenticate?
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Agreed. I don't have the slightest idea what this is article is talking about, and I doubt anyone at AI does either, or they would have included some sort of paraphrasing of the application, rather than just quoting opaque text.

OMG - does nobody understand elementary particle physics any more??
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This is what happens when people read Wired.

Reading wired causes cancer?
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Originally Posted by Russell View Post

Nice, have they considered the side effects of using this "revolutionary" device?

Can electromagnetic fields (EMF) from power lines, home wiring, airport and military radar, substations, transformers, computers and appliances cause brain tumors, leukemia, birth defects, miscarriages, chronic fatigue, headaches, cataracts, heart problems, stress. nausea, chest pain, forgetfulness, cancer and other health problems?
Numerous studies have produced contradictory results, yet some experts are convinced that the threat is real.

You can also be run over by a truck on the way home from work.

Despite of all those horrors you mention, our life expectancy is 75 years. Compare that with the 30 something of non-techological civilisations. I'll have EMF eyes shut!
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Reading wired causes cancer?

loL, this patent is nothing more that a tiny device inside the hardware, I mean tiny so the EMF will be equally tiny. Unless you live directly exposed to it 20 to 30 years.... Apple hardware has a long live but not so long.
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Originally Posted by Russell View Post

Nice, have they considered the side effects of using this "revolutionary" device?


Can electromagnetic fields (EMF) from power lines, home wiring, airport and military radar, substations, transformers, computers and appliances cause brain tumors, leukemia, birth defects, miscarriages, chronic fatigue, headaches, cataracts, heart problems, stress. nausea, chest pain, forgetfulness, cancer and other health problems?
Numerous studies have produced contradictory results, yet some experts are convinced that the threat is real.

Dr. David Carpenter, Dean at the School of Public Health, State University of New York believes it is likely that up to 30% of all childhood cancers come from exposure to EMFs. The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) warns "There is reason for concern" and advises prudent avoidance".

Martin Halper, the EPA's Director of Analysis and Support says "I have never seen a set of epidemiological studies that remotely approached the weight of evidence that we're seeing with EMFs. Clearly there is something here."

http://www.mercola.com/article/emf/emf_dangers.htm

No need to go off the deep end here, pal. We're not talking about powerlines and radar, etc. This would be more like TV tubes and probably a lot lower power than that. We are surrounded by countless EMF's, most of which are quite small and NOT harmful.

The whole idea is to create a transducer which changes inputs to outputs in more ways than just number codes so as to make decoding far more difficult (if not impossible)--difficult enough to satisfy IP owners that the DRM is effective enough so that they can publish with reasonable proof agains piracy.

DRMs to date have been crackable and therefore no proof against piracy, and therefore IP owners don't want to publish digitally. But if the DRM was proven to be effective, that would provide the open gate to digital distribution of IP.

The main argument against DRM as we know it today is its demonstrated fallibility against piracy. That isn't to say that publishers don't want an effective DRM. Quite the contrary. An effective DRM would open the flood gates to mass digital distribution of IP.

So if Apple can invent an effective DRM, they'll have a huge new product for thousands of industries. There's no moral or logical argument against a system which ensures that publishers get equitably paid for their IP. An effective DRM would thwart piracy, thereby encouraging all kinds of publishing and distribution of IP which would significantly stimulate commerce and therefore boost the economy.

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Reading wired causes cancer?

It will certainly cause your brain to want to explode/melt a bit.
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Originally Posted by Russell View Post

Nice, have they considered the side effects of using this "revolutionary" device?


Can electromagnetic fields (EMF) from power lines, home wiring, airport and military radar, substations, transformers, computers and appliances cause brain tumors, leukemia, birth defects, miscarriages, chronic fatigue, headaches, cataracts, heart problems, stress. nausea, chest pain, forgetfulness, cancer and other health problems?
Numerous studies have produced contradictory results, yet some experts are convinced that the threat is real.

Dr. David Carpenter, Dean at the School of Public Health, State University of New York believes it is likely that up to 30% of all childhood cancers come from exposure to EMFs. The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) warns "There is reason for concern" and advises prudent avoidance".

Martin Halper, the EPA's Director of Analysis and Support says "I have never seen a set of epidemiological studies that remotely approached the weight of evidence that we're seeing with EMFs. Clearly there is something here."

http://www.mercola.com/article/emf/emf_dangers.htm

is the fact that there are so many variables to control in terms of field emissions. For example, each of the above cited sources have radically differing emission profiles and that is just in the EMF radiation ranges. You add in the field effect from sonic activity and you multiply the number of potential sources for the discomfort and malady that were cited as well. The level of exposure, the frequency of exposure, distance from source, and so on all have to be factored in. It is extremely difficult to develop an isolation process that can adequately address all sources of EMF radiation. Especially since the above sources don't even address the microwave signal technology used by telecom and media companies to transmit signals from their sources to distribution centers.

The field of sonic radiation has been languishing due to it not being a current "in vogue" research profile, but there were several studies that were looking at sub-sonic and super-sonic radiation and their effects on humans and animals. In addition to the usual visible and audible sonic artifacts from earthquake, there are numerous sub-sonic events that take place as well. The wavelengths are so long that in most cases they don't even register with normal sensing equipment. Scientists have only begun to speculate on what if any effect sub- and super- sonic radiation have on living tissue and organisms. In which case of course the standard foil hat will not work.

On the other hand there are so many other sources to consider for the litany of maladies above that it is difficult to isolate the causes for such a wide symptomology.
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OMG - does nobody understand elementary particle physics any more??

Of course we do, it's taught in every high school in the USA! Right before creationism and after the geology of this 6,000 year old planet we live on. Oh wait that's just Texas so far isn't it?
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You can also be run over by a truck on the way home from work.

Despite of all those horrors you mention, our life expectancy is 75 years. Compare that with the 30 something of non-techological civilisations. I'll have EMF eyes shut!

So if I get two TVs will I get to 150?
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post #27 of 37
This reminded me of an old story years ago about encryption using a lava lamp:

http://www.giantlavalamp.com/informa...to_Crack.shtml
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Nice. But what authenticates the particle gun?

Security is only as strong as the weakest link.
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Nice. But what authenticates the particle gun?

Security is only as strong as the weakest link.

Duh, the human! But who authenticates the human \
post #30 of 37
This too will pass as a listening(RF) device can be developed and tuned after reversing for some time. The packet can be interrupted by another reader and docked for examination. What has been done to complete success is creating a learning curve to the reversing process, also requiring at least $200k in tools. But thats a steal for some investors.

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We are surrounded by countless EMF's, most of which are quite small and NOT harmful.

Unless we test your assertion on a population in a parallel universe oddly devoid of EMF we can't really know that. We can make reasonable assumptions, but we can't be completely sure.
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It is that moronic "White Album" mentality that fuels casual piracy anyway.

I know what the "White Album" is, but I can't figure out what you mean by "White Album" mentality.
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Didn't Arnold Schwarzenegger use a particle gun in that one movie?

Scary!

No, that was a "railgun". Completely different.

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Wow. This sounds like Star Trek tech. We will have to invent some other future, because our childhood's future is quickly becoming the present.

well, not quite. when i was a child i was promised a jet pack for the year 2000.
i'm still waiting...
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Still don't see how this effects media. If you can output something, you can capture it.
post #36 of 37
Is Apple going to put this "gun" in every shuffle, nano, iphone, ipad, mac, windows pc....

No matter what type of media...movies, music, books, photos and web pages

look better and sound better on the Kindle Fire HD and HDX than any iPad

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"Right out of a comic book!"

no your not. This person is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFlSpM1cnvQ


And I think the iparticlegun is from this music video

Ah ha! I figured it out ROFL.
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