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Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post

The whole tethering debacle with AT&T is a clusterf**k now, and I don't know how ANYONE can be happy with it.

1) AT&T gives you 2GB to work with for $25 [OK, fine]
2) AT&T charges you an extra $20 a month for "official" tethering [OK, fine]
3) However, even though you are paying extra for tethering and AT&T even says that those who tether use more data, they still cap you at the same 2GB as those who don't tether [*&^$ YOU AT&T!]

DUDE: If you do not like the plan, don't use it. If you don't like the iPhone, stop using it. If you don't like Apple, stop buying their product.

But DON'T use the word SHOULD. That is a judgement call and which one of us is to say whose judgement is correct...

Unless there is an absolute truth, of course.
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post #42 of 89
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Originally Posted by Jerseymac View Post

First argumentative post and it has to be a reply to me. I thought for once someone might agree.

Yes, it is part of Apple's product strategy to limit a first gen product. Then they come out with a better one for less money. That's why I started visiting this site. To try to know when it's safe to "pull the trigger" on something new.

Do you mean to suggest Apple is delibertly withholding tethering on the ipad so I'll buy the next one that will have it?

If they did...would it be illegal, immoral, un-ethical, a good business move, or simply the way thing are at the moment?
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post #43 of 89
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Originally Posted by stevegmu View Post

Yeah, I don't understand the big deal, either. The whole point of the 3G iPad was to have connectivity almost anywhere with the cheap pre-paid plans, not to tether them to an iPhone. Since I got the iPad 3G, I'm not using the iPhone for internet anyways, so the reduction in iPhone data plans is a good deal. Tethering makes no sense to me.

It doesn't make a lot of sense when AT&T charges an extra $20 for tethering, but in a lot of countries outside the US there's no charge so if you carry your iPhone everywhere and you already have a decent data plan on that, why would you want to pay an extra $25-30 a month for an iPad plan too? Tethering to an iPhone (through WiFi) you get similar speeds, no cables, and no setup once you have configured your iPhone and iPad once.
post #44 of 89
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Originally Posted by Orlando View Post

Are they discussing the iPad 3G? I thought they were discussing tethering any iPad (including Wifi only versions of the iPad) to an iPhone so we can access the internet using iPhone's 3G connection.

Okay, and that's fine. My only issue on the thread (and it may not be a part of that particular post) is that people shouldn't complain about the lack of tethering on the iPad WiFi, when you can get 3G functionality by buying the other model. Buy the one that meets your needs, don't buy the one that doesn't and complain that Apple is not allowing some kind of workaround.
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post #45 of 89
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Originally Posted by dazweeja View Post

It doesn't make a lot of sense when AT&T charges an extra $20 for tethering, but in a lot of countries outside the US there's no charge so if you carry your iPhone everywhere and you already have a decent data plan on that, why would you want to pay an extra $25-30 a month for an iPad plan too? Tethering to an iPhone (through WiFi) you get similar speeds, no cables, and no setup once you have configured your iPhone and iPad once.

Okay, that makes sense to me, thanks for clarifying. But I wonder how many of those complaining were living or planning on traveling in those countries.
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post #46 of 89
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Originally Posted by stevegmu View Post

Yeah, I don't understand the big deal, either. The whole point of the 3G iPad was to have connectivity almost anywhere with the cheap pre-paid plans, not to tether them to an iPhone. Since I got the iPad 3G, I'm not using the iPhone for internet anyways, so the reduction in iPhone data plans is a good deal. Tethering makes no sense to me.

The point is, for those of us that didn't want to spend the extra $130 for the 3G iPad, we want tethering from the iPhone to the wifi iPad. There's no reason for the $20 extra they can't make it a MiFi/MyWi. There's no need for "corded" tethering.

Jailbroken iPhone with MyWi installed is amazing. I'm uber excited for iPhone 4.0, but this lame tethering restriction will keep me from upgrading.
post #47 of 89
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Originally Posted by Robin Huber View Post

Okay, and that's fine. My only issue on the thread (and it may not be a part of that particular post) is that people shouldn't complain about the lack of tethering on the iPad WiFi, when you can get 3G functionality by buying the other model. Buy the one that meets your needs, don't buy the one that doesn't and complain that Apple is not allowing some kind of workaround.

Personally I think the "workaround" is a legitimate feature request. Why would you want to spend more money on a 3G iPad and a second data plan if an option like tethering could be implemented?
post #48 of 89
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Originally Posted by Robin Huber View Post

Why do some Mac lovers employ the language of trolls when they don't get everything they want right out of the gate? A little patience, please.

How long have Mac users been waiting for net video that doesn't crash their machine?
post #49 of 89
Load of crap. Its easy as hell to implement teathering, especially since iPhone OS already supports it. This was done to make ATT look less bad in all of this. Possible because of the really cheap rates and lack of contract for iPad data.
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post #50 of 89
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Originally Posted by Robin Huber View Post

Simple elegance versus complex options. It's up to you.

I'll choose more capabilities for less money. Thanks.
post #51 of 89
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Originally Posted by AppDev View Post

What they meant was connecting to a phone that is serving as a hotspot. The newer android phones can do that.

Palm can do it too. The iPhone is pretty far behind the curve at this point. But typically Apple products take longer to catch up to the rest of the industry, feature-wise.
post #52 of 89
what's the likelyhood of apple allowing the iPhone to be a mobile wifi hotspot? it might disincentivise forking out $130 more for the 3g ipad, but it might exclude blackberry users from being able to tether, and it would also be useful for social applications once apple comes out with iChat. any thoughts?
post #53 of 89
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Originally Posted by esummers View Post

They don't mean jailbreaks. I expect AT&T doesn't care as long as you pay them $45 a month for 2GB limit.

Well, most people who are bothered enough about this can do the jailbreak and have it. Plus, (I'm not holding my breath, but maybe...) an appstore app will get approved that lets the iPhone tether to the iPad.

Seriously: if you even know what tethering is, you're probably someone who can install the jailbreak, get a program like MyWi. Then you can complain because it can't be done even though you do it.
post #54 of 89
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Originally Posted by Robin Huber View Post

Simple elegance versus complex options. It's up to you.

Adding simple tethering/HotSpot can't be any more "complex" then simply trying to turn on/off Bluetooth -- something that should be easily accesible


post #55 of 89
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Originally Posted by dazweeja View Post

It doesn't make a lot of sense when AT&T charges an extra $20 for tethering, but in a lot of countries outside the US there's no charge so if you carry your iPhone everywhere and you already have a decent data plan on that, why would you want to pay an extra $25-30 a month for an iPad plan too? Tethering to an iPhone (through WiFi) you get similar speeds, no cables, and no setup once you have configured your iPhone and iPad once.

What's the difference, if I pay $30 for unlimited data on the iPad and $30 for unlimited data on the iPhone, when Verizon or Sprint charge $60 for limited data on a phone that allows free tethering?
post #56 of 89
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Originally Posted by Mac31 View Post

The point is, for those of us that didn't want to spend the extra $130 for the 3G iPad, we want tethering from the iPhone to the wifi iPad. There's no reason for the $20 extra they can't make it a MiFi/MyWi. There's no need for "corded" tethering.

Jailbroken iPhone with MyWi installed is amazing. I'm uber excited for iPhone 4.0, but this lame tethering restriction will keep me from upgrading.

So you are just trying to be cheap, yet blame Apple and AT&T?
post #57 of 89
It's pure greed on the part of both Apple and AT&T. Apple can sell their iPad 3G at higher dollars and AT&T can charge more for something they promised years ago. We really need a carrier in addition to AT&T to have some competition. We'll see if Apple makes any changes in response to Droid. Hopefully they'll make changes to the benefit of their customers rather Ghana lose market share to a device that does respond to customer desires.
post #58 of 89
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Originally Posted by 8CoreWhore View Post

And Apple KNEW they were advertising those rates to thousands of new buyers that would never get the option for unlimited.

yeah Steve actually demanded that ATT change the rates a month after sales started, just to screw folks. otherwise he was going to cut the iphone contract 2 years early and take the phone to Verizon exclusively.

and there were two shooters on the knoll

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Originally Posted by Robin Huber View Post

Right, but they were discussing iPad 3G. Why worry about tethering that to a 3G phone? It's got it's own. Maybe I'm missing something? Really, not being sarcastic or bitchy, just want to know.

it's called being cheap. they would rather pay $130 less for a wifi only ipad they can tether to an iphone etc and save that money, plus the monthly rate

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post #59 of 89
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Originally Posted by Rot'nApple View Post

Just wondering, when iPhone Videochat is introduced by Steve Jobs, If this feature is a datahog to use, and AT&T skimpy 2GB is almost out, will a "caller" be able to call "Collect" to the other party who might have more GB left on their plan then you?

Also, I bet AT&T will yank your MB's for accepting an videochat phone call just as much as they will for placing one!

Hope iPhone OS 4 will have the option to tell the caller you are not accepting videocalls, go to regular call mode and just talk. That way at least you are just using minutes.

Speaking of minutes, with this new plan does AT&T still offer rollover?

The new data plan limitation will be secondary in this matter - I wouldn't be surprise if AT&T will tag additional feature charge just to use the new Videochat service. So, if I want to use all the new capabilities of the new iPhone 4G, it will easily cost me almost $100/month. This is what a "typical user" will be in near future. That is some serious cost to a normal user. I think AT&T is totally sending a wrong message here. I am surprised that Apple has nothing to say in this matter. This will certainly impact Apple's iPhone and iPad sales.

It is really sad that Apple is coming out with some killer devices, but it requires donating your blood to pay for the cost to operate them on AT&T. Apple really need to find new providers because I am getting tired of AT&T and their tactics.
post #60 of 89
Jailbreak and MyWi works great with the iPad and MacBook. Won't upgrade to 4G either.
post #61 of 89
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Originally Posted by Orlando View Post

Personally I think the "workaround" is a legitimate feature request. Why would you want to spend more money on a 3G iPad and a second data plan if an option like tethering could be implemented?

I sort of agree with you both. Apple should allow this feature for people that own both iPhones and iPads, but don't necessarily have a need for the dedicated and more expensive 3G model. Some people don't have a need for 3G data on iPad regularly, but may need 3G data for short periods of time, randomly. Perhaps once or twice every other month.

Let's just imagine that iPad had launched in a world where tethering was available on iPhone/AT&T with the current data caps. For the type of user described above, to not allow it doesn't make sense.

To me, it seems that whatever task you would normally have performed on your iPhone, would transfer to your iPad (e.g. reviewing, revising and uploading a file a colleague just sent you on Dropbox) while you're in a taxi, or on a construction site. Since the task is simply transfering from one machine to another, it's not as if you're suddenly using more data. You are simply accessing it on a bigger screen, within an app that's offering enhanced functionality beyond the iPhone version. Therefore it should be free, especially in light of the fact that their current $20 tether fee gives you NOTHING. No extra data bucket. NOTHING.

Putting the iPhone into hotspot/tether mode could be enabled with a simple toggle. Perhaps seamlessly by having iPad tell iPhone it needs a data connection. It adds value to the iPhone/iPad ecosystem and fits into Apple's design philosophy of simplicity, elegance, and ease.


How AT&T loses in any meaningful way....I don't see. The data caps are in place. If you abuse, you pay.


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Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post

Adding simple tethering/HotSpot can't be any more "complex" then simply trying to turn on/off Bluetooth -- something that should be easily accesible

I can't believe we've not seen this fixed. It can't be that hard to have key toggles pop up, or have them called upon via a gesture. Perhaps even as an overlay, Dashboard style.

I don't understand why they've yet to implement various elegant tech that ALREADY exists within OSX. Like Expose for example.
post #62 of 89
Shocking... Truly Shocking
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post #63 of 89
Once tethering is official you can do it to the iPad via a 3G cellular USB router. Hook up iPhone and turn on wifi hotspot. Aluratek makes one with a li-ion battery that will not have the iPhone burn through its battery as myfi does.

No jailbreak necessary. No fear of software updates.

Works well with Rogers official tether. Now if only Apple could disable wifi access on iPad...
post #64 of 89
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Originally Posted by JimDreamworx View Post

Once tethering is official you can do it to the iPad via a 3G cellular USB router. Hook up iPhone and turn on wifi hotspot. Aluratek makes one with a li-ion battery that will not have the iPhone burn through its battery as myfi does.

No jailbreak necessary. No fear of software updates.

Works well with Rogers official tether. Now if only Apple could disable wifi access on iPad...

What model of the Aluratek do you use? Is it something small and easy to to carry in a small bag?
post #65 of 89
Tethering? I could not care less at this point. However, if the need ever arises, this restriction can definitely be circumvented - gooooooo Geohot!
post #66 of 89
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Originally Posted by Robin Huber View Post

Right, but they were discussing iPad 3G. Why worry about tethering that to a 3G phone? It's got it's own. Maybe I'm missing something? Really, not being sarcastic or bitchy, just want to know.

Well, if you already have an iPhone and opted for tethering for the iPhone, and if it will work with the iPad 3G, you won't need to subscribe for a separate "3G", for the iPad 3G -- just use its Wifi capability??? Just speculating here.

If the story is correct, that is not allowed for iPhone to iPad tethering. Others claim that you could do it with other phones, like the Android. I heard the same.

But, this possibility would be moot for iPhone/iPad owners who do not want to shift to other smartphones. So, these Apple mobile gadget owners are pissed. What was not being considered were the ramifications, which are not necessarily beyond the realm of possible reason(s). For example, Apple did not allow multitasking until they resolve the problems assoicated with multitasking using iPhone OS devices. Offhand, I do not have to technical expertise to speculate about these possible reasons. Security issues, perhaps??? Other reasons???

I have played with the demo of the iPad several times in the Apple Store, so the nuance of its field operation remains a mysetery for me.

There are events I am awaiting before I buy my iPad. I am tempted to get one now, especially before my visit to California next week, but the last time I went to the store, no stock.

I am inclined to buy the iPad 3G myself, when I do buy one, to ensure 3G connection (temporal ATT subscription) only when and whereever needed.

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post #67 of 89
The bigger issue here is if there data is correct and the mass majority use less than the 2gb cap whats that say about there infrastructure on there 3g network if it's bogged down and spotty now. Won't it still be bogged down and spotty later? I think the answer is yes.

Also I noticed AT&T mentioned that this tethering thing is an apple problem now ( I didn't really read the whole article) but from the short bit that I caught isn't this just saying that AT&T jumped the gun ahead of Apple. Now Apple has to play catch up which makes them look a little bad?

all in all F AT&T in fact F all the cellular companies in the states, overseas cell plans are better in my opinion. Even if Apple releases an iPhone for Verizon, Verizon has already stated that there 4G network will capped and you'll pay for the data. Either way still screwed, just that your reception may get better. YAY im stoked at getting screwed either way. Oh well I'm happy my iphone is on a pay as I go. no contracts or outrageous bills to pay

keep up the good work Apple, just choose your partners better.
post #68 of 89
Tethering impossible? <shrugs and continues listening to Dutch radio app in the background while simultaneously typing this reply on his jailbroken iPad tethered to his jailbroken iphone>
post #69 of 89
I have a lot of respect of Apple for its achievement but THIS IS A JOKE!!! Two devices from the same company using virtually the same OS can't work together while someone else's device just work???? WTF Apple????
post #70 of 89
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Originally Posted by stevegmu View Post

So you are just trying to be cheap, yet blame Apple and AT&T?

What's wrong with being cheap? I have Apple products and we already pay up the ass for our iPhone plans. So sue me for wanting to save $60 a month. It's a heck of a lot of money for a student working part time. It's hard enough to buy the products in the first place.

I'm not blaming them, it would just be nice if they treated us like other countries' carriers treated their customers. It's obviously too much to ask when people like you call people like me cheap and have no problem paying their outrageous fees. Sorry for wanting to save a few bucks that could, you know, buy groceries. A one-time purchase is one thing but a monthly fee is something different.

As far as I'm concerned, Apple loses next to nothing in allowing the iPhone to be a hotspot. Its just AT&T losing money and I could care less if they do. It's not like they're incredibly popular.
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Originally Posted by Singapura View Post

Tethering impossible? <shrugs and continues listening to Dutch radio app in the background while simultaneously typing this reply on his jailbroken iPad tethered to his jailbroken iphone>

Using this as a challenge, decided to test and see how hard it would be to do this.
1. googled iphone 3gs jailbreak.
2. 5 min later, downloaded spirit.
3. Unzipped spirit, opened app and clicked on jailbreak. About 3-5 min process.
4. iphone reboots, jailbroken verified by cydia app on the phone.
5. launched cydia, downloaded mywi.

Total time involved 15-20 min.

Conclusion: I am become darth iphoner.
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post #72 of 89
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Originally Posted by Mac31 View Post

What's wrong with being cheap? I have Apple products and we already pay up the ass for our iPhone plans. So sue me for wanting to save $60 a month. It's a heck of a lot of money for a student working part time. It's hard enough to buy the products in the first place.

I'm not blaming them, it would just be nice if they treated us like other countries' carriers treated their customers. It's obviously too much to ask when people like you call people like me cheap and have no problem paying their outrageous fees. Sorry for wanting to save a few bucks that could, you know, buy groceries. A one-time purchase is one thing but a monthly fee is something different.

As far as I'm concerned, Apple loses next to nothing in allowing the iPhone to be a hotspot. Its just AT&T losing money and I could care less if they do. It's not like they're incredibly popular.

If money is that tight, you should consider getting a TRAC phone, or other pay-as-you-go phone, and only using iPad on WiFi.
This is the US, not Europe. I guarantee you wouldn't be happy with European cell service, either.
Has anyone checked to see if iPad is even capable of tethering, without significant battery drain? There could be a hardware issue behind this.
post #73 of 89
If AT&T allows the iPad to tether, then apple will as well. a simple carrier or software update will enable it
post #74 of 89
This is an Apple issue. Nothing to do with AT&T.
IPhone Tethering has been available in the UK since 3.0. But the iPad can not be tethered to iPhone via Bluetooth or USB because Apple have chosen not to implement that.

This deliberate omission gets us to the bizarre situation where Android users may tether iPads while iPhone users can not.

Apple can fix this in software, either by introducing WiFi base station functionality on the phone or by enabling Bluetooth functionality on the iPad.

Until that happens, users who find this situation unacceptable can solve the problem themselves.
1 jailbreak with Spirit
2 install MyWi from Cydia
3 pay for it - This entire process takes 10 minutes and is entirely reversible.

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post #75 of 89
There is absolutely no reason to tether an iPhone with an iPad. You need two devices to get online? You can't pony up for the 3G iPad---but you can afford both devices?

Tethering a laptop is another matter. I agree that 2GB cap after paying a $20 fee is RIDICULOUS.
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post #76 of 89
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Originally Posted by SDW2001 View Post

There is absolutely no reason to tether an iPhone with an iPad. You need two devices to get online? You can't pony up for the 3G iPad---but you can afford both devices?

Tethering a laptop is another matter. I agree that 2GB cap after paying a $20 fee is RIDICULOUS.

Aren't you contradicting yourself? In one breath, you're questioning the need for two devices to get online, then in the very next breath, you say that tethering a laptop is OK. And besides, doesn't nearly everyone have their cell phone on them most of the time anyway? So of course you're always gonna have two devices if you use an iPad or a notebook.

What's the difference? The iPhone supports Bluetooth tethering. The iPad supports Bluetooth. Apple doesn't want to add trivial Bluetooth networking support to the iPad because -- well, they're Apple.

If you're gonna tether with your laptop, you can leave the iPhone in your pocket and work with your laptop in your lap or on a table. If you wanna tether with an iPad, you could theoretically leave the iPhone in your pocket and walk around/sit down with the iPad.

Apple just wants you to spend the extra $130 and AT&T wants another $25/month from you. I say why if the hardware/software support is already there (just disabled for the sake of being douchey)
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Originally Posted by SDW2001 View Post

There is absolutely no reason to tether an iPhone with an iPad. You need two devices to get online? You can't pony up for the 3G iPad---but you can afford both devices?

Tethering a laptop is another matter. I agree that 2GB cap after paying a $20 fee is RIDICULOUS.

Why is tethering a laptop a different matter? You can't pony up for the 3G stick for your laptop --- but you can afford both a laptop and an iPhone?
post #78 of 89
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Originally Posted by SDW2001 View Post

There is absolutely no reason to tether an iPhone with an iPad. You need two devices to get online? You can't pony up for the 3G iPad---but you can afford both devices?

Tethering a laptop is another matter. I agree that 2GB cap after paying a $20 fee is RIDICULOUS.


There is absolutely no reason to tether a laptop with an iPhone. You need two devices to get online? You can't pony up for the laptop with 3G built in?

Tethering a laptop is exactly the same.
post #79 of 89
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Originally Posted by Robin Huber View Post

Okay, and that's fine. My only issue on the thread (and it may not be a part of that particular post) is that people shouldn't complain about the lack of tethering on the iPad WiFi, when you can get 3G functionality by buying the other model. Buy the one that meets your needs, don't buy the one that doesn't and complain that Apple is not allowing some kind of workaround.

Makes sense to me.
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Originally Posted by Macrooster View Post

The bigger issue here is if there data is correct and the mass majority use less than the 2gb cap whats that say about there infrastructure on there 3g network if it's bogged down and spotty now. Won't it still be bogged down and spotty later? I think the answer is yes.


Well, if you ignore the small minority that's responsible for 40% of the usage (as you've done) I suppose that makes sense.
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