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Newly revealed documents suggest that Apple could launch Safari 5 with a new "Reader" feature, the addition of Bing search support and expanded HTML5 support. In addition, evidence of the final release of Mac OS X 10.6.4 has also surfaced [Update: Xcode 4, too].

French website MacGeneration reported Saturday images of new English-language support documents alleged to be from Apple, containing a list of features in Safari 5. It suggests the software update will include 25 percent faster JavaScript performance than Safari 4 and DNS prefetching to speed up browsing.

The document also mentions a new feature, Safari Reader, which adds a Reader icon to the browser and allows users to view articles "in a single, clutter-free page."

Expanded HTML5 support will reportedly add over a dozen new features, including Geolocation, full screen and closed captions for HTML5 video, and more. The update will also allegedly feature new tools that aim to help developers, including a Timeline Panel in the Web Inspector, identifying areas for optimization.

Other features mentioned in the documents include smarter address fields, hardware acceleration for Safari on Windows, search history with date, a "Private Browsing" icon, and improved page caching.

Safari 4 was released just less than a year ago, on June 8, 2009. Apple dubbed it the "world's fastest browser," saying it ran JavaScript 4.5 times faster than its predecessor. It is available for both Mac and Windows.





MacGeneration also reported Saturday that Mac OS X 10.6.4 will see release from Apple this week. The site also had a screenshot of a list of features from an English-language document. It features the same list of improvements that have been seen in the beta builds of the Snow Leopard operating system seeded by Apple to developers.

The update will allegedly resolve an issue that causes the keyboard or trackpad to become unresponsive, fix a problem that prevented Adobe Creative Suite 3 applications from opening, and addresses a playback issue in DVD Player when using Good Quality deinterlacing, among other fixes.



Update: Finally, MacRumors reported Saturday that it has heard that new version of Xcode, version 4, will be shown off this week. Xcode is the suite of tools used to develop software for Mac OS X.
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Will Apple continue to add to the developer tools until we have a nice pro html editor?
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I hope safari 5 for windows will handle html5 as well as safari 4 for mac os x; in apples html5 showcase a lot of features don't work as well as on the mac.

but what about a new mobile safari?
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For some reason, this article brought back some old memories...

Remember when lack of a decent web browser dominated discussions on mac related forums? IE had been left to languish, firefox wasn't yet on the scene, and the few other alternatives weren't terribly compatible. With nearly everyone grudgingly using IE, performance was a HUGE issue. Simple scrolling and window resizing were actually benchmarks that people debated endlessly.

Now though, it seems that web browsing has progressed to such a point that it is no longer an interesting topic for discussion. Or perhaps just that it is no longer one of the most interesting topics. Instead, we've moved on to discuss other things; like flash, web video standards, etc.

I'm betting this thread doesn't get too many comments...
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The document also mentions a new feature, Safari Reader, which adds a Reader icon to the browser and allows users to view articles "in a single, clutter-free page."

Isn't this already a feature in Safari? I ws pretty sure it made a pretty decent RSS reader. It was one of the major features of some version. I do not remember which one, but I do know they made a big deal out of it.
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I actually expected this after seeing Apple post that HTML5 page. Apple is investing a lot in the web, but doing so rather quietly. Safari's webkit base is, no matter what is said in the court of public opinion, leading the charge in improving browser features, and bringing the web into a new age.

Sadly, the same cannot be said for Microsoft, who's idea of leading the way is stealing from others, or do the bare minimum to save face.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Microsoft hater, or an Apple Fanboy. It just seems Microsoft are really dragging their feet here, and they don't seem to care.
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Wouldn't having Yahoo! and Bing search built in be redundant, as Yahoo gave up last year and uses Bing for their results?
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Don't forget Safari Widgets. Apple's take on web browser Extensions.

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For some reason, this article brought back some old memories...

Remember when lack of a decent web browser dominated discussions on mac related forums? IE had been left to languish, firefox wasn't yet on the scene, and the few other alternatives weren't terribly compatible. With nearly everyone grudgingly using IE, performance was a HUGE issue. Simple scrolling and window resizing were actually benchmarks that people debated endlessly.

Now though, it seems that web browsing has progressed to such a point that it is no longer an interesting topic for discussion. Or perhaps just that it is no longer one of the most interesting topics. Instead, we've moved on to discuss other things; like flash, web video standards, etc.

I'm betting this thread doesn't get too many comments...

I agree. However, I've gotten to the same point with processor performance on my MacBook Pro. I have a mid-2009 13" MacBook Pro with a 2.26GHz processor and it's plenty fast. I thought about upgrading to the latest generation but said to myself, "YOU FOOL!"

I use my MacBook for word processing (I spend all day typing), spreadsheet stuff, internet, light Photoshop work, email, etc. That's about it. What the hell do I need a faster processor for?

I'll probably be sticking with this machine for a looooooooooong time.
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Isn't this already a feature in Safari? I ws pretty sure it made a pretty decent RSS reader. It was one of the major features of some version. I do not remember which one, but I do know they made a big deal out of it.

yes it is ... and there is already an icon to push in the url window. I will be interested to see improvements. perhaps it will be split view similar to many ipad apps. so feed headlines on left and feed articles appear on right as you click.
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I wonder what they meant about Hardware Acceleration on media and effects. Canvas 2D, SVG and video?
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The search bar needs to at least make secure Google searches an option.
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Awesome. I can't wait to try out these new features.
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Isn't this already a feature in Safari? I ws pretty sure it made a pretty decent RSS reader. It was one of the major features of some version. I do not remember which one, but I do know they made a big deal out of it.

"Click on the new Reader icon to view articles on the web in a single, clutter-free page."

Maybe it's just me, but I think this sounds more like a description for Readability (or other so-called "mobilizer" services), which would make even more sense for Mobile Safari.

(Greetings to the forum members, by the way, from a long-time reader / first-time poster.)
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For some reason, this article brought back some old memories...

I agree. Gone are the days when "Windows IE only" websites were the norm. It's literally been years since I have run into a web site that doesn't work with Safari Mac. Firefox and Chrome sit idly on my system as plan B browsers if something doesn't work. But so far no issues anywhere for me. Oh sure, there have to be a few sites out there that still code and test for IE only but they either don't care or don't know.

Meanwhile, my employer (a Fortune 50 giant) is still on XP and IE 6 with no signs of an upgrade on the horizon. When I do go "out" on the internet IE 6 has problems rendering a LOT of sites and constant pop-ups stating the site no longer supports IE 6 and encouraging an upgrade.
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full screen mode would be a nice addition to Safari. Chrome and Firefox already have full screen mode
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I liked the speed of Safari 3. I felt that 4 was a bit slower on some things. I didn't know how to revert back to 3 once I updated to 4. I turned off the image cacheing of my visited sites because that slowed it considerably and was a resource hog. I only use Safari 4 in private mode because of that.

One thing I dislike about Safari in general is that there is no button by the address bar to click to make the browser go to the address. I must always use the return button on the keyboard. What is so difficult about adding a button on the address bar? When I copy and paste an address into the address bar I must move from my relaxed comfy chair seated position and grab the keyboard to press return.

Another Safari dislike is the size of the bookmarks section. I wish the whole thing had much bigger text with lines a little bit farther apart which would make them easier to read and click. I'd also like to quickly arrange my bookmarks alphabetically instead of needing to drag and drop them into place.

I wonder if Safari 5 will allow people using Leopard (10.5.8) to view all of their HTML 5 demonstration videos. Safari 4 with Leopard didn't work with the VR demo.

I won't be downloading Safari 5 until I hear plenty of positive comments. I wish I had not downloaded Safari 4.
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everything is leaked before the BIG announcements

Can you imagine the buzz surrounding any BIG announcement - should Apple ever be able to do so, without any leaks. Hell it would 6 o'clock news!

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If Safari 5.0 is intro'd then it better be more than under the hood features. Safari needs a make-over and lessons from FireFox, IE9, and Chrome on design.
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If Safari 5.0 is intro'd then it better be more than under the hood features. Safari needs a make-over and lessons from FireFox, IE9, and Chrome on design.

Please please NO. I like having choice. Safari is, for me, the best browser just because it is only a browser and I don't have to do anything to it, like add plugins, etc. to get what I need. Apple has made those design choices for me and made them well. All I have to do is choose the browser. Why does everyone want everything to be the same. To me Apple is the one providing choice to the end user by not making the end user a designer.

And its not that I'm not a 'POWER USER' as I write all manner of software in PHP, Python, Javascript, OBJ-C, C++, etc., etc. I just don't need the choices (and problems) that come with a browser like Firefox.
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How can this not be obvious to anyone with any perception at all?

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Under the hood improvements are good, but honestly I already like the speed of safari (webkit nightlys). I want progress bar back as well as a choice for tabs on top. Having a 13 inch macbook I found myself gravitating to Chrome more and more because it does not take away any space on my screen, but I miss the progress bar all the same.
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post #23 of 75
I am looking forward to whatever the new version of Safari may bring us. Likely it will be faster with more features.
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If Safari 5.0 is intro'd then it better be more than under the hood features. Safari needs a make-over and lessons from FireFox, IE9, and Chrome on design.

Share some of the things you'd like to see redesigned...
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[[..a "Private Browsing" icon..]]] Just what I was wanting!!!!
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If Safari 5.0 is intro'd then it better be more than under the hood features. Safari needs a make-over and lessons from FireFox, IE9, and Chrome on design.

Chrome took a lot of interface elements from Safari. If you compare Chromium and Safari (please tell me that you use Chromium not Chrome) they are very similar.

I am not so sure if this report is legit.
The latest Safari Webkit nightly doesn't support closed captions in HTML5 so i don't see Safari 5 doing it. So if one element of this thing is certainly wrong, how can not be a fake?

The whole article could be made up by someone making a conservative guess.
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Will Apple continue to add to the developer tools until we have a nice pro html editor?

Did you notice the mention of HTML5 Ruby? If true, then maybe you could include a Ruby library that will do text to HTML conversion for you.

Edit: I forgot that there is another 'Ruby' project not related to the language. Probably an error on my part.

2nd Edit: HTML5 Ruby is a tag for East Asian typography. Here is a link:

http://www.quackit.com/html_5/tags/html_ruby_tag.cfm

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post #28 of 75
It's that boring; it's mostly all true. Anyway, I'm still going to look forward to them announcements, give me something to play with, and best of all a stevenote to watch if there the only thing that comes out of Cupertino. I would love that Bing support.
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full screen mode would be a nice addition to Safari. Chrome and Firefox already have full screen mode

Full screen mode would be very nice.
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Isn't this already a feature in Safari? I ws pretty sure it made a pretty decent RSS reader. It was one of the major features of some version. I do not remember which one, but I do know they made a big deal out of it.

I'm reading this a little differently. Instead of it being an RSS reader, it will take any webpage, extract the largest text frame, and drop it into a book style page like on the iPad. Couple this with Flashblock, advertisers won't be happy. If you could click on a link and have it default to the reader it would be even better. Web developers would be pissed.
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"Click on the new Reader icon to view articles on the web in a single, clutter-free page."

Maybe it's just me, but I think this sounds more like a description for Readability (or other so-called "mobilizer" services), which would make even more sense for Mobile Safari.

(Greetings to the forum members, by the way, from a long-time reader / first-time poster.)

I agree -- sounds like Readability to me. Definitely a useful feature to add to Safari.

Also, if true, then I think this might be the closest that any major browser vendor has come to including ad blocking functionality in the browser. True, it's not exactly designed for that purpose, but it does have that effect since most of the "clutter" is ads.
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A couple things that don't seem to be addressed:
  • WebKit2. Are tabs finally seperate processes?
  • Please bring back the option for tabs-on-top.


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It suggests the software update will include 25 percent faster JavaScript performance than Safari 4

Are we coming to the end of our JS speed ups. 4.5x faster last time. All these changes will surely increase the app size, I just hope they make the app itself launch faster.

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The document also mentions a new feature, Safari Reader, which adds a Reader icon to the browser and allows users to view articles "in a single, clutter-free page."

This is nice, but I wonder if this is how you're expected to read your iBooks on Macs and Windows. It would be a great way to increase Safari installs, if not marketshare.

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Expanded HTML5 support will reportedly add over a dozen new features, including Geolocation, full screen and closed captions for HTML5 video, and more.

GeoLocation is expected, I just hope that the next Mac notebooks also include a GPS chip and OS support for utilizing it in the browser, Dashboard Widgets, etc., not just via your ISP or router.

This full screen is curious. I've always hated the way it's designed in every browser and glad Apple didn't include it, but with HTML5 video there is an issue with full screen. Sublime video found a way with new WebKit nightlies to enable it, but you have to use a keyboard command as you click an element on screen, which is less than ideal. I have to think that the only reason this is being used now is for HTML5 video, which is one thing Flash video has over HTML5 video, not to play catch up with old feature. I wonder if Apple has found away for a simple bit of JS or a special WebKit command to enable fullscreen mode with a single click.


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I actually expected this after seeing Apple post that HTML5 page.

Yep.


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"Click on the new Reader icon to view articles on the web in a single, clutter-free page."

Maybe it's just me, but I think this sounds more like a description for Readability (or other so-called "mobilizer" services), which would make even more sense for Mobile Safari.

(Greetings to the forum members, by the way, from a long-time reader / first-time poster.)

It doesn't sound like they are copying that app. They may also have it export it to EPUB format for iBooks. Welcome to the forum... as a poster, haapum.



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This is why they restricted the HTML5 demo to Safari
How can this not be obvious to anyone with any perception at all?

It seemed pretty obvious to me.
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I'm reading this a little differently. Instead of it being an RSS reader, it will take any webpage, extract the largest text frame, and drop it into a book style page like on the iPad. Couple this with Flashblock, advertisers won't be happy. If you could click on a link and have it default to the reader it would be even better. Web developers would be pissed.

I agree with you here. We all know Safari already got that RSS reader feature thing but reading the article, I think what they are going to do is extract the main text field and present it in an uncluttered way much like Appleinsider's iPhone page with images are optionally displayed only they would do it better unlike Appleinsider which is buggy for example here, browsing the forum from the news section and back messes up the history/back button navigation lead outs.

With only the texts and no adverts, flash animations etc. reading articles and blogs willbe much more straightforward and perhaps rewarding.
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......With only the texts and no adverts, flash animations etc. reading articles and blogs willbe much more straightforward and perhaps rewarding.

Yeah, I think this makes sense. It's all gonna happen magically and look like an iBook or something with your font, size and perhaps background.
... I'm sure it'll have the ad-makers furious.
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"Click on the new Reader icon to view articles on the web in a single, clutter-free page."

Maybe it's just me, but I think this sounds more like a description for Readability (or other so-called "mobilizer" services), which would make even more sense for Mobile Safari.

(Greetings to the forum members, by the way, from a long-time reader / first-time poster.)

Just checked out Readability. Already love it. So easy. There is a little bit of a lag time, but Safari's version should be super quick since it will be native to the browser.
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I really wish Safari would have an option to reload all your web pages after it crashes.

This actually happens to me quite often and always makes me restart my browser using Firefox, which of course has that feature...
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full screen mode would be a nice addition to Safari. Chrome and Firefox already have full screen mode

I concur
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I actually expected this after seeing Apple post that HTML5 page. Apple is investing a lot in the web, but doing so rather quietly. Safari's webkit base is, no matter what is said in the court of public opinion, leading the charge in improving browser features, and bringing the web into a new age.

Sadly, the same cannot be said for Microsoft, who's idea of leading the way is stealing from others, or do the bare minimum to save face.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Microsoft hater, or an Apple Fanboy. It just seems Microsoft are really dragging their feet here, and they don't seem to care.

Hmmm really?

http://www.neowin.net/news/internet-...tml5-compliant

I am pretty sure that IE9 was the first to announce the use of GPU's to accelerate stuff.
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Share some of the things you'd like to see redesigned...

I have IE and Chrome on my Windows 7 work laptop and Safari and Firefox on my SL Mac for home use. So the following is based on my usage on the two platforms and 4 web browsers.

1) Let's start with tabs. Give me a more graphical and logical way to add a tab. Similar to Chrome, Firefox, and IE where the new tab icon is to the right of the last tab.

2) Give me sorting for bookmarks like IE with favorites. I don't see that feature in Chrome and I don't believe Firefox has it either (my Mac isn't handy at the moment).

3) Let me easily choose who I want to add as a search provider like IE or Firefox. Maybe Google, Bing, Yahoo, Dictionary.com, Wikipedia, Ask.com or some other search provider. I don't want to be stuck with Google as my default search provider.

4) Make adding add-ins as easy as on Firefox. Maybe I want to enhance my browser experience beyond the standard features. Apple is good at vetting code so make them a part of the App store.

5) This is actually related to #4 as Firefox has an add-in called Stumbleupon or something like that. Basically you click on the Stumble button and it takes you to a new and interesting web site that you would not have found on your own. Apple could expand their Genius tech (providing that you opt in for them to scan and send your bookmarks back to the mother ship) and use it to suggest like websites from people who have similar bookmarks saved. This feature would reduce some of the need for search.

Those are off the top of my head as things that bug me about Safari.
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If Safari 5.0 is intro'd then it better be more than under the hood features. Safari needs a make-over and lessons from FireFox, IE9, and Chrome on design.

Chrome is like a Ferrari and Safari looks like a VW Beetle. Your'e right. What used to be the best looking browser is now just boring.
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