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Originally Posted by MacTel View Post

4) Make adding add-ins as easy as on Firefox. Maybe I want to enhance my browser experience beyond the standard features.

Good point, wrong browser. Chrome handles this the best of any browser.
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post #42 of 75
The HTML 5 stuff is nice, but doesn't seem worthy of a keynote.
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post #43 of 75
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Good point, wrong browser. Chrome handles this the best of any browser.

And it's currently the most compliant and fastest browser out today. I see Chrome being a pretty big threat to Firefox as it matures.
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post #44 of 75
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The HTML 5 stuff is nice, but doesn't seem worthy of a keynote.

There isn't going to be an entire keynote on HTML5. If any HTML5 is included in the keynote it will be mixed in with a presentation of Safari 5's features.
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post #45 of 75
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Originally Posted by frankie View Post

I really wish Safari would have an option to reload all your web pages after it crashes.

This actually happens to me quite often and always makes me restart my browser using Firefox, which of course has that feature...

Ooh.. I forgot about that one.
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post #46 of 75
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Originally Posted by DanielSW View Post

This is why they restricted the HTML5 demo to Safari

Not following you. What do you mean by "this?"
post #47 of 75
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Originally Posted by WelshDog View Post

Not following you. What do you mean by "this?"

Apple created these demos to promote Safari, not to promote every modern browser using HTML5 and CSS3.
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post #48 of 75
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I really wish Safari would have an option to reload all your web pages after it crashes.

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post #49 of 75
We don't want Safari to be bogged down with add-ins. You have firefox for that (which incidently also the main reason I stopped using firefox. Too slow to load at start-up and you can't have all of them plug-ins at once or it will either crash or slow). I use web browser to read web sites and not need to be told what the weather is like at the far end of the globe or how I might need to see what's playing on iTunes. Leave Safari as lean as it can be and leave extra functionalities to the HTML code on the website itself. If all browsers are the same or follow each other you are effectively killing the choices.
post #50 of 75
My wishlist things (most barrowed from chrome and firefox).

-Finally solve the compatibility preferences.
-Cloud synced preferences with Safari on your other Macs and PCs using Apple ID
-User Option between tab bar or address bar for tabs. I for one loved the Safari beta.
-Restore after browser crash with save tabs option
-Smart auto hide status bar.
post #51 of 75
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Originally Posted by Splash-reverse View Post

We don't want Safari to be bogged down with add-ins. You have firefox for that (which incidently also the main reason I stopped using firefox. Too slow to load at start-up and you can't have all of them plug-ins at once or it will either crash or slow). I use web browser to read web sites and not need to be told what the weather is like at the far end of the globe or how I might need to see what's playing on iTunes. Leave Safari as lean as it can be and leave extra functionalities to the HTML code on the website itself. If all browsers are the same or follow each other you are effectively killing the choices.

Yeah Apple keep restricting us, because some people cant control them selves and install 25 plug-ins.

Or open up Safari, like Chrome, Firefox and even IE.

Wish features.....

1. Make an option to single click the URL button...you know like EVERY OTHER browser on a Mac or PC, INCLUDING Safari for Windows. I said OPTION, if some people still want to triple click, or click that small little icon at the front of the URL have at it. CHOICE IS GOOD (or if you dont use the an iPhone it is)

2. Bookmark tools. See IE8. In IE and I think FF, I can create a new folder when bookmarking a new page. I can even sort my book marks with a right click while the bookmark drop down is open....in IE. Safari bookmark sorting/organizing is a joke. Sure you can move stuff around or export them and sort them in Finder and re-import them....but its 2010 not 2001.

3. Give use lots of search provider choices.

4. Top tabs like Chrome.
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And it's currently the most compliant and fastest browser out today. I see Chrome being a pretty big threat to Firefox as it matures.

I think that's Google's intent. I think a good part of the VP8 thing is to string Firefox along till they are completely irrelevant, then scoop up their marketshare with Chrome.
post #53 of 75
to nightly builds.

This is what they are adding:

http://www.w3.org/TR/ruby/

With this added and a new Safari Mobile, the Asian markets will be quite pleased.
post #54 of 75
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"Click on the new Reader icon to view articles on the web in a single, clutter-free page."

Maybe it's just me, but I think this sounds more like a description for Readability (or other so-called "mobilizer" services), which would make even more sense for Mobile Safari.

(Greetings to the forum members, by the way, from a long-time reader / first-time poster.)

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post #55 of 75
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"Click on the new Reader icon to view articles on the web in a single, clutter-free page."

Maybe it's just me, but I think this sounds more like a description for Readability (or other so-called "mobilizer" services), which would make even more sense for Mobile Safari.

(Greetings to the forum members, by the way, from a long-time reader / first-time poster.)

I was going to say the same thing. This looks more like Readibility feature. I have used that many many times to read a clutter-free page, and especially for printing, when there are tons of garbage pages that Safari ordinarily would print, but hitting Readibility reduces that anywhere from 1/2 to 1/3 content., just by throwing out unnecessary frames.
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post #56 of 75
"The document also mentions a new feature, Safari Reader, which adds a Reader icon to the browser and allows users to view articles "in a single, clutter-free page.""

So Apple is finding a way to completely bypass googles main source of income. click ads. & driving more people to have to monetize their content by selling it book, app or magazine style through their stores. And website makers & content creators will jump quickly once they realise they are not making any money from ads

combine that with many people using flash to deliver ads & it not being available on all the iproducts that are flooding the world means an end to the ad funded internet

clever strategy & it will work. Apple can get rid of most of its competitors, provide people with clean ad free content & make a bundle at the same time
post #57 of 75
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The document also mentions a new feature, Safari Reader, which adds a Reader icon to the browser and allows users to view articles "in a single, clutter-free page."

I don't get it. Another icon, and it does what, exactly? Do we need this?
post #58 of 75
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Originally Posted by Joe hs View Post

I hope safari 5 for windows will handle html5 as well as safari 4 for mac os x; in apples html5 showcase a lot of features don't work as well as on the mac.

Apple's "HTML5 showcase" hardly uses any HTML5 at all. It's mostly CSS. So why they called it "HTML5 showcase" is the question of the day.
post #59 of 75
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

Don't forget Safari Widgets. Apple's take on web browser Extensions.

Widgets aren't extensions. They are separate applications based on web technology.
post #60 of 75
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A couple things that don't seem to be addressed:
  • WebKit2. Are tabs finally seperate processes?

Wasn't the project started just a 2-4 months ago? I very much doubt that it was finalized and stabilized before WebKit was branched for Safari 5. It's more likely that this is something that we'll see for Safari 6.
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I think that's Google's intent. I think a good part of the VP8 thing is to string Firefox along till they are completely irrelevant, then scoop up their marketshare with Chrome.

Keep Mozilla from adopting H.264 so they can steal their marketshare knowing that H.264 is the future? Now that is evil!


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Wasn't the project started just a 2-4 months ago? I very much doubt that it was finalized and stabilized before WebKit was branched for Safari 5. It's more likely that this is something that we'll see for Safari 6.

You may be right, but I hope you are wrong.
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post #62 of 75
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Originally Posted by insike View Post

Apple's "HTML5 showcase" hardly uses any HTML5 at all. It's mostly CSS. So why they called it "HTML5 showcase" is the question of the day.

Marketing. Above all else Apple excels itself in marketing although this latest stunt seems to have backfired slightly, at least in the more technology-affine community.
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Marketing. Above all else Apple excels itself in marketing although this latest stunt seems to have backfired slightly, at least in the more technology-affine community.

If they can get others to add 3D Transforms then I think it will be a win for Apple.
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post #64 of 75
No it didn't backfire. The other browser makers are feeling sore because Apple showed what Safari is capable of and rubbed their noses in it.

This will push them to improve their browsers and be a win-win for everyone.


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Marketing. Above all else Apple excels itself in marketing although this latest stunt seems to have backfired slightly, at least in the more technology-affine community.
post #65 of 75
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

No it didn't backfire. The other browser makers are feeling sore because Apple showed what Safari is capable of and rubbed their noses in it.

This will push them to improve their browsers and be a win-win for everyone.

As you are aware and as already discussed, just to reitterate Apple's focus with these demos, in a couple instances Apple went so far as to use -webkit- in CSS when adding the appropriate prefix for the other browsers would have made them compatible, or even completely removing the working draft prefix altogether.
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post #66 of 75
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Originally Posted by PG4G View Post

I actually expected this after seeing Apple post that HTML5 page. Apple is investing a lot in the web, but doing so rather quietly. Safari's webkit base is, no matter what is said in the court of public opinion, leading the charge in improving browser features, and bringing the web into a new age.

Sadly, the same cannot be said for Microsoft, who's idea of leading the way is stealing from others, or do the bare minimum to save face.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Microsoft hater, or an Apple Fanboy. It just seems Microsoft are really dragging their feet here, and they don't seem to care.

IMHO it seems more like Microsoft has Captain Peter "Wrongway" Peachfuzz trying to pretend he is Douglas "Wrongway" Corrigan at the helm and he doing one lousy job of it. Seriously it seemed that Microsoft put all its eggs in then Windows 7 basket and when that didn't take off as planned they didn't have anything in the wings to pick up the slack. How do you innovate when some 62% of your user base is still using an OS from 2001?
post #67 of 75
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No it didn't backfire. The other browser makers are feeling sore because Apple showed what Safari is capable of and rubbed their noses in it.

You mean by adding over 100 --webkit prefixed CSS elements despite that many of them had already standardized versions? Interoperability my ass.

Or by claiming that this is a HTML5 showcase despite almost using no HTML5 elements (case in point: 360 rotation done in HTML4).

Or excluding browsers from tests which they could run without problems (e.g. Chrome does fine with almost all tests). If they used browser sniffing to exclude browsers from specific (!) tests which really did support certain feature this at least be understandable.

It was marketing stunt, no more or less, and a bad one at that.
post #68 of 75
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You mean by adding over 100 --webkit prefixed CSS elements despite that many of them had already standardized versions? Interoperability my ass.

Or by claiming that this is a HTML5 showcase despite almost using no HTML5 elements (case in point: 360 rotation done in HTML4).

Or excluding browsers from tests which they could run without problems (e.g. Chrome does fine with almost all tests). If they used browser sniffing to exclude browsers from specific (!) tests which really did support certain feature this at least be understandable.

It was marketing stunt, no more or less, and a bad one at that.

Who said anything about interoperability? You're being conflicting with your own post when you mention code that specifically works with WebKit despite most of it being standardized in modern browsers and then stating inoperability was an implied goal that they failed to achieve when they are clearly pimping Safari *not Chrome, not Firefox, not IE, not Opera.

Then you make a weird comment about it using almost no HTML5, when they clearly do. I think you meant to point out that much of the tests revolve around CSS3 elements, which they clearly address on the site. In the title they state "HTML5 and web standards" which makes sense as most people have no idea what CSS is but are somewhat familiar with the concept of HTML.

As a marketing stunt it remains to be seen how effective it will be. If we see 3D Transforms hit the nightlies of other browsers within a couple months I'd call it a raging success. If we see Safari's marketshare increase more than it has in previous months I'd call it a raging success.

You seem to have a deep hatred for these demos but answer us this: If Apple's goal is prevent people jumping from Safari to Chrome or Firefox, how exactly do they do that by showcasing how Chrome and Firefox are just as good, if not better? Exactly!
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post #69 of 75
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Who said anything about interoperability?

You must have missed His Steveness recent crusade against Flash in which he usually uses the benefits of standardization (from which interoperability stems from) as one of his main arguments against Adobe.

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You're being conflicting with your own post when you mention code that specifically works with WebKit

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Or excluding browsers from tests which they could run without problems (e.g. Chrome does fine with almost all tests). If they used browser sniffing to exclude browsers from specific (!) tests which really did support certain feature this at least be understandable.

Emphasis mine. And thanks for telling me that this page is meant for pimping Safari. I would have never guessed without your help. The point is that Apple is doing so in a very underhanded way. I think someone used the term "intellectually dishonest" and I tend to fully agree.
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

Good point, wrong browser. Chrome handles this the best of any browser.

If Chrome extensions could do a fraction of what Firefox extensions are capable of your objection might even have been valid.
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Originally Posted by Erunno View Post

And thanks for telling me that this page is meant for pimping Safari. I would have never guessed without your help.

Based on your posts you still haven't figured it out.

PS: Who writes "His Steveness" and expects to be taken seriously... L1|<3 4 realzees, y0!
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post #72 of 75
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You mean by adding over 100 --webkit prefixed CSS elements despite that many of them had already standardized versions? Interoperability my ass.

Its clear Apple wants these CSS extensions added to the official spec. How can Apple show interoperability right now, when no one else supports all of these functions.

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Or excluding browsers from tests which they could run without problems (e.g. Chrome does fine with almost all tests).

They didn't want almost all the demonstration to work, they wanted all of it to work. Safari was the only browser that Apple has any control over.

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It was marketing stunt, no more or less, and a bad one at that.

You are very right it was a marketing stunt. One that will push everyone else to improve their browsers.
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I can understand other browser makers feeling snubbed by the way Apple presented these elements. At the same time they are not proprietary to Apple.

Other web developers that have no affiliation to Apple are creating HTML5 demos using many of the exact same tools Apple used in its demo. CSS is open source and intended to be added to the official HTML5 spec.


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Emphasis mine. And thanks for telling me that this page is meant for pimping Safari. I would have never guessed without your help. The point is that Apple is doing so in a very underhanded way. I think someone used the term "intellectually dishonest" and I tend to fully agree.
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Chrome is like a Ferrari and Safari looks like a VW Beetle. Your'e right. What used to be the best looking browser is now just boring.

Not being a fan of Word95 style black Times New Roman on white background, I was pleased to find that someone had located the HTML/CSS for the new Safari Reader functionality and worked out how to install this. I played around a design more suiting to my tastes, which is available for you to download and install yourself.

Custom style mod for Safari 5′s Reader feature
Plain white background, cool grey Helvetica or sans-serif fonts with basic styling to support headlines tables and a clean scrollbar amongst others.

Download at http://www.munjeet.com/comment/apple-safari-reader/

Feedback welcome.
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