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post #1 of 18
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<a href="http://www.dailytexanonline.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2002/04/01/3ca80f8b5bfd9" target="_blank">Requisite Linkages</a>

A nice summary of the story is the main picture caption:
"Katie Jahnke, a government senior, had a 10-month relationship with one of her music professors in 1995. Though Jahnke said she thought the relationship was consensual, she suffered anxiety from it and eventually filed a sexual harassment complaint with the UT Office of Legal Affairs."

So after a 10 month consensual relationship she decides she needs to file a complaint against the guy?

At what point is someone to be told, "You screwed up, deal with it." instead of being allowed to file complaints against someone they consensually got naked with?
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post #2 of 18
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong><a href="http://www.dailytexanonline.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2002/04/01/3ca80f8b5bfd9" target="_blank">Requisite Linkages</a>

A nice summary of the story is the main picture caption:
"Katie Jahnke, a government senior, had a 10-month relationship with one of her music professors in 1995. Though Jahnke said she thought the relationship was consensual, she suffered anxiety from it and eventually filed a sexual harassment complaint with the UT Office of Legal Affairs."

So after a 10 month consensual relationship she decides she needs to file a complaint against the guy?

At what point is someone to be told, "You screwed up, deal with it." instead of being allowed to file complaints against someone they consensually got naked with?</strong><hr></blockquote>
This is the negative side effect of a world where people wants to solve all their problems with the help of justice, people see thems are victims, where they are in trouble it's always the faults of others, and they sue them hoping for money (because they felt that money repair everything), they never think that they may have scewed up and be responsible of their trouble.

In France too, this phenomena become more and more popular.
post #3 of 18
[quote]Originally posted by powerdoc:
<strong>... they never think that they may have scewed up and be responsible of their trouble.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

On the contrary, on some level I think people like that absolutely KNOW that they screwed up. It's human nature, though, to want to never be wrong or embarrassed. If they can sue their way out of it to make them look okay in the eyes of the law, then they don't feel like they'll suffer any embarrassment because it's not their fault. Really they're just trying to save face.
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post #4 of 18
what's worse are the people that get trigger happy. One of my clients is the State of California's Department of Health Services, and while out there on a business trip in January I was reading one of the sexual harassment seminar handouts...

The handout recommends against complimenting female co-workers on their personal appearance, touching them in any way other than a handshake, etceteras.

It's quite ridiculous, and I realize that in the workplace there are people who are guilty of this... but it's getting to a point where it isn't even worth your while to even acknowledge the presence of a co-worker of the opposite sex. I'm just glad I'm not working for a corporation anymore...
post #5 of 18
Sexual Agression is still very much alive in the workplace. It's Human Nature
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post #6 of 18
Smack her.
post #7 of 18
He should be smacked even harder. Actually, he probably will be fired, and should be.

He knows the rules against relationships between students and faculty. It doesn't matter if it was consensual on her part, he's not allowed to do it.
post #8 of 18
BRussell's right. I mean risking your career on someone is never a sane idea. Ever since Eve tricked Adam we've been playing the fools for Women. I'm sorry if that sounds sexist but Women do indeed hold a certain power over Men and it's not to be taken lightly.
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post #9 of 18
Fine. Smack them both.
post #10 of 18
Gotta love Ex Post Facto Guilt. Good Lord...none of us are safe is this sets a precedent. Treat your ex's well fellas LOL
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post #11 of 18
Well, here's one <a href="http://www.gutierrez-preciado.com/Memos/romance.htm" target="_blank">solution.</a>

I can see it now: "You wanna have dinner sometime? How 'bout friday? Great! Sign here..."

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post #12 of 18
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Actually, it's not against UT rules for a faculty member to date a student, it's just "discouraged" which can lead to anything from a reprimand to being fired. To me, a 10-month consensual relationship doesn't even constitute a reprimand.

Why should student-faculty relationships be banned? Aren't we all adults by the time you get to college?
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post #13 of 18
Adults?

No Humans don't reach Age of Reckoning until they're 35 LOL.
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post #14 of 18
[quote]Originally posted by CosmoNut:
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On the contrary, on some level I think people like that absolutely KNOW that they screwed up. It's human nature, though, to want to never be wrong or embarrassed. If they can sue their way out of it to make them look okay in the eyes of the law, then they don't feel like they'll suffer any embarrassment because it's not their fault. Really they're just trying to save face.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You are true, but recocnize your errors and don't blame the others for your own faults, make you great, sue others to save your face is not a smart attitude.
post #15 of 18
[quote]Originally posted by hmurchison:
<strong>Adults?

No Humans don't reach Age of Reckoning until they're 35 LOL.</strong><hr></blockquote>

you are absolutely true
post #16 of 18
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>Actually, it's not against UT rules for a faculty member to date a student, it's just "discouraged" which can lead to anything from a reprimand to being fired.</strong><hr></blockquote>If you can be punished for doing it, that sounds to me like it's against the rules.<strong> [quote]Why should student-faculty relationships be banned? Aren't we all adults by the time you get to college?</strong><hr></blockquote>It's a professional ethical obligation, as I see it. Just like with a physician or a therapist - they shouldn't be messin' with their clients. The possibility of a sexual relationship throws the professional relationship out of whack.
post #17 of 18
I thought it was the norm for college instructors to have affairs with their students..
post #18 of 18
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The relationships *can* lead to punishment if it is interfering with the academic environment (grade issues, etc...). It is not against university policy for a faculty member/student to simply date.

It's stupid to do so, I think, but that's not my moral view to force on anyone else.

And why is it always the professor being the predator? That's bullshit, women use their bodies as weapons just as much as men use power. Not that professors are generally the "victim" (if there is such a thing as a "victim" in these situations), but it certainly seems spurious to me to think that we've got serial rapists preying on the pure and innocent.
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