Apple's iPhone market share three times greater than Android in US - Page 4

Originally Posted by Postulant

I had not looked at it that way until now. Apple is in third with a single phone. That's pretty damn amazing.

I'm now wondering how many different phones are running Android right now. And how can this single device by Apple trump them all?

Am I correct, or do I have it wrong?

Originally Posted by franksmith22

Haha, you are so right Stevie. It's obvious that solipsism never took any kind of statistics course in his/her life. He/she can now stop with the heavy handed criticism.

Originally Posted by solipsism

I'll put my degrees and value up against yours any day if you think that growing from 1 unit in a quarter to 10k units the next quarter, for example, is more important than looking at the growth of a market as a whole and how everyone grew or shrank within that market to determine trends.

Originally Posted by franksmith22

Well obviously my biostatistics/epi course from medical school was better than what they taught at your place.

There are multiple avenues for analysis, you didn't need to add the 12 yr old part. That's all.

Originally Posted by franksmith22

Well obviously my biostatistics/epi course from medical school was better than what they taught at your place.

There are multiple avenues for analysis, you didn't need to add the 12 yr old part. That's all.

Originally Posted by iCarbon

Actually, that's good for android, 7% of 28 is more than 14% of 9.

over time, it means that the iPhone will have double the market share of android (ignoring all other factors), but that would be a significant erosion compared to the current ratio.

Originally Posted by solipsism

I'll stick with the highly profitable and logical use of looking at the entire market to make my financial decisions. If you think looking at stats with blinders on is a road to understanding then you may want to ask for your education fees back. Next time, choose an accredited school, if there is one that will accept you.


I did, because it's true. The metric he used is only valid within that company to show growth and has no barring with the market as a whole when stated as a percentage. He does this every time there is a post about the market and every time he discounts Apple or anyone's else gains. That's all.

Originally Posted by bartfat

I thought so too.

Originally Posted by Quadra 610

Wasn't Android supposed to leave iPhone in the dust?

Originally Posted by SockRolid

In the gold dust.

Originally Posted by hill60

Is that like the N95 (and others), "blowing away" the original iPhone 3 years ago?

With it's 5 megapixel camera, Carl Zeiss lens... etc, etc.

Originally Posted by patrickwalker

Android will, but it will be a pyrrhic victory. Android is destined to be the default OS on cheap phones, a market segment unlikely to even care if it has Android or not. For these people, they will be happy with a dial tone and probably the ability to text and little more.

Wonder how many Android users even notice it's even running Android?

Originally Posted by RationalTroll

And in this case likely to change.

Right now they're excited about the form factor of the iPad, and today it's the only game in town in that regard. But by the end of summer there will be plenty of option available, and all devices but Apple's will be able to run many of the types of specialized apps those markets need because Apple is the only company in history to prohibit the proven cost-effectiveness of using cross-platform frameworks.

It's not the OS. They all have accelerometers, GPS, multitouch, etc., and most of them will have multi-tasking while Apple offers only what amounts to a game of Freeze Tag.

What matters is the apps. Jobs knows this, which is why he's making all these unprecedented moves to try to eliminate iPhone apps from profitably being deployed to any other OS. He has seemingly little confidence that Apple can sufficiently differentiate its product in an increasingly commoditized market, and instead is pushing to limit deployment options for app developers.

But for all his flailing, developers and their VCs will go where they can make the most money relative to investment, and where they don't face unusual risk of losing that investment every time Apple updates their SDK license: within a year we'll begin to see the effects of limiting developers' workflow options on vertical markets like medical, engineering, education, and many others.

In the meantime, those suffering from Stockholm Syndrome won't connect the dots between Apple's demonstrated untrustworthiness as a development partner and the downstream effects that lost trust has on developers. But it's coming just the same.

Originally Posted by Quadra 610

Well this is really the kicker.

What happened to that "superphone" of Google's? The two phones that were supposed to spank the iPhone were the Droid and the Nexus One. And . . . nada. Nothing. Just a lot of bullet lists of "features" and marketing bluster. And now there's yet another one, the EVO-something or other, that will again be in the iPhone's shadow.

Fact is, no one, but NO ONE, is able to achieve the synergy - that elusive and rare sweet-spot between hardware and software - that Apple can. Why? Because Apple approaches tech at large from an entirely different angle. The kind of thinking that goes on in Cupertino is completely different and of a whole magnitude more focused on specific goals and principles than what goes on anywhere else. Hence, the iPad. No one dared to pull off such a move - and succeed - but Apple.

It isn't about the best camera.

It isn't about the fastest processor.

It isn't about the brightest screen.

It isn't about any one, single "feature."

Originally Posted by extremeskater

However Solip also used the EVO for a bit and I would believe he would agree the 8 megapixel camera on the EVO is fairly impressive. As is the 1.3 webcam.

Originally Posted by Quadra 610

Well this is really the kicker.

What happened to that "superphone" of Google's? The two phones that were supposed to spank the iPhone were the Droid and the Nexus One. And . . . nada. Nothing. Just a lot of bullet lists of "features" and marketing bluster. And now there's yet another one, the EVO-something or other, that will again be in the iPhone's shadow.

Fact is, no one, but NO ONE, is able to achieve the synergy - that elusive and rare sweet-spot between hardware and software - that Apple can. Why? Because Apple approaches tech at large from an entirely different angle. The kind of thinking that goes on in Cupertino is completely different and of a whole magnitude more focused on specific goals and principles than what goes on anywhere else. Hence,

It isn't about any one, single "feature."

Originally Posted by solipsism

The stated specs are impressive, but as previously stated I wasn't able to see how well the images stacked up on a proper display. We all know that megapixels are great for marketing but they are from the only aspect of a camera that makes it a good camera.

For an Android phone, it's the best I've played with, but Android is still lacking in the key aspects that make iPhone and Blackberry owners love their devices. I'm not sure this can change unless a vendor follows suit by making a streamlined ecosystem for their HW that just happens to be based on Android.

Originally Posted by Postulant

So, is android becoming to the phone industry what Windows is to the PC world? You have hardware and software developed in two different locations, resulting in a subpar user experience. Like with PCs, I've noticed that many competitors are trying to compete with the iPhone by highlighting their faster processors, larger screens, and cheaper prices(2 for 1 deals), but have failed to realize that the OS is actually the differentiator, not the hardware. I saw a test performed on Gizmodo(I think) where two recent Android phones were matched against last years iPhone, and despite have faster processors and more RAM, both phones either matched or performed slightly worse the iPhone - negating the "superior specs". I've also seen tests where other phones have had higher MP cameras yet their pictures still paled in comparison to the iPhone's.

Am I spot on or clueless?

Originally Posted by Postulant

So, is android becoming to the phone industry what Windows is to the PC world? You have hardware and software developed in two different locations, resulting in a subpar user experience. Like with PCs, I've noticed that many competitors are trying to compete with the iPhone by highlighting their faster processors, larger screens, and cheaper prices(2 for 1 deals), but have failed to realize that the OS is actually the differentiator, not the hardware. I saw a test performed on Gizmodo(I think) where two recent Android phones were matched against last years iPhone, and despite have faster processors and more RAM, both phones either matched or performed slightly worse the iPhone - negating the "superior specs". I've also seen tests where other phones have had higher MP cameras yet their pictures still paled in comparison to the iPhone's.

Am I spot on or clueless?

Originally Posted by extremeskater

Lets remember the iPhone is going on its 4th Gen. Many of the Android phones are first generation phones. So many of them are going to fall short.

Originally Posted by patrickwalker

Wonder how many Android users even notice it's even running Android?

Originally Posted by Quadra 610

Whaa?

Originally Posted by extremeskater


And every pretty much agrees that the Android market will pass the iPhone.

Originally Posted by extremeskater

Lets remember the iPhone is going on its 4th Gen. Many of the Android phones are first generation phones. So many of them are going to fall short.

The user experience with many of these Android phones is very good considering they are first generation phones and a second gen OS. A few years from now it could be a totally different ball games when it comes to Android.

Originally Posted by djdj

This isn't quite as rosy as iPhone fans would like it to be. Keep in mind that the iPhone has been out for three years now, whereas Android phones have only been generally available for a little over 6 months. For Android to pick up that much market share in such a short time is phenomenal. And its growth rate certainly exceeds that of the iPhone. iPhone sales have slowed, while Android's continue to improve.

Long story short, there are a lot of iPhones out there, but if current trends continue, Android phones will not just outsell, but outnumber iPhones before we know it.

Originally Posted by extremeskater

Lets remember the iPhone is going on its 4th Gen. Many of the Android phones are first generation phones. So many of them are going to fall short.

Originally Posted by Robin Huber

I take your point. But this is also true: While many of those phones ARE first generation, they were not developed in a vacuum, but in the context of wide variety of competing hardware. To a degree, iPhone can only improve itself over its own last model, while the Android competition can use the strengths and weaknesses of many iterations of Android driven hardware on which to base their improvements. So the generational playing field is more level than it might appear.

Originally Posted by solipsism

Android has had years to be developed. It was openly bought by Google in 2005(?) and we was well known before the iPhone was ever officially announced. The fact that Google had to make a switch from copying BB OS to copy iPhone OS is inconsequential as they released the first Android phone the next year, not long after the first 3G iPhone.

On the HW front, these vendors have had years to play around with the Android OS and have been building phones long before Apple entered the market.

I'm surprised that Apple has been able to increase its lead so much against these well worn handset vendors and Android. I figured that Android on phones would have out sold the iPhone by now. To me this shows Apple is much smart company than I gave them credit for and/or these other vendors are more incompetent than I thought.

Originally Posted by franksmith22

Well obviously my biostatistics/epi course from medical school was better than what they taught at your place.

Originally Posted by Robin Huber

I take your point. But this is also true: While many of those phones ARE first generation, they were not developed in a vacuum, but in the context of wide variety of competing hardware. To a degree, iPhone can only improve itself over its own last model, while the Android competition can use the strengths and weaknesses of many iterations of Android driven hardware on which to base their improvements. So the generational playing field is more level than it might appear.

Originally Posted by Robin Huber

Well said. Android: the Windows of the mobile OS world.

Originally Posted by extremeskater

Well it wasn't until Apple starting making hugh leaps that the cell phone industry woke up. I am not sure it was incompetent more then no real competition. How bad is it that the Razr was the best selling phone around and everyone one earth seemed to want one. I mean what a joke. Blackberry was really the smartphone to have and the smartphone market was pretty dead except for business.

Before the iPhone how many consumers actually had data plans, not many that I knew. Most of the data plans were for business users.

The Android market had no real effort put into it until recently. Which again goes to show that the best way to breed innovation is competition. Not to mention everyone saw how fat Apple wallet was getting off this cash cow.

Originally Posted by Stevie

So do you think it will eventually be on 90+% of the mobile phones out there?

Originally Posted by solipsism

The stated specs are impressive, but as previously stated I wasn't able to see how well the images stacked up on a proper display.