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post #41 of 102
I've been waiting for this product for years. The question is will Apple position it as the default for new iMac purchases (like the number pad free keyboard was) or is this an optional extra?
post #42 of 102
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Originally Posted by palegolas View Post

This is nice and all... Handy, even... but it looks like it's constructed with no physical click mechanism... which means the only option is touch-to-click. A pure touch trackpad? I don't like it. Touch-to-click generates too many errors for me. I hope it's mechanical or pressure sensitive for clicking.

If it's literally a free-standing implementation of the touch-pad from the Air/MBP, I'm all over this. I've been hoping for one of these for some time now (well, since I got my late '08 MBP anyway). I think it'll have some kind of clicking mechanism because touch-to-click wouldn't be enough to serve the clicking purpose. I agree with you though, no matter how used to touch-to-click I am, I still get errors too.
post #43 of 102
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Originally Posted by Perfectionist View Post

Fake. Look at the second image: this would never be Apple design. DIfferent parts even look different. Not possible in the era of Apple unibody design.

What in the world are you talking about? It looks exactly like the wireless keyboard. The only thing I'd interpret as "different parts even look different" (and that's a loose interpretation) in the second picture is that you're seeing the top glass layer of the touch surface on top of the aluminum base.
post #44 of 102
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Originally Posted by Rob55 View Post

If it's literally a free-standing implementation of the touch-pad from the Air/MBP, I'm all over this. I've been hoping for one of these for some time now (well, since I got my late '08 MBP anyway). I think it'll have some kind of clicking mechanism because touch-to-click wouldn't be enough to serve the clicking purpose. I agree with you though, no matter how used to touch-to-click I am, I still get errors too.

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I've been waiting for this product for years. The question is will Apple position it as the default for new iMac purchases (like the number pad free keyboard was to maintain uniformity for MacBook users who also owned a desktop)?

I think they will offer it as a configurable option when ordering from Apple. Wireless or wired keyboard, Magic mouse, wire mouse, or magic trackpad. Maybe it will be positioned with updated Mac Pros as for graphic design use?
post #45 of 102
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Originally Posted by shubidua View Post

Am I the only one feeling sorry for Steve here? It's like when he had to introduce the unibody MacBooks and everybody knew about them already. The guy likes to make a show out of these keynotes, but with all those leaks, there isn't much to work with.

I love rumours & speculation, however the leaks are taking the fun out of it.

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Looks interesting! I just wish some of these secret products did not slip out right before Steve Job's announcements. I like the "surprise factor."

I totally disagree with the two of you. I'm so over the months (years...) of speculation, rumor, fanboi hype, etc, only to be ultimately disappointed because the product never lives up to what the expectations had become with the build-up.

Before someone says "uh, don't read the rumor sites if you don't like them," it's not so easy to avoid all the rumors, since they're so often mixed in with the real news and reviews.

I'll tune in to the keynote live blogs today like a good little Machead, but only so I'll know if I should stop by Sprint for that EVO 4G I've been waiting for, or to see if Apple's actually managed to keep some surprise iPhone feature that actually makes it the top phone on the market again secret long enough for Steve to be the one to announce it.
post #46 of 102
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Originally Posted by Dunks View Post

I've been waiting for this product for years. The question is will Apple position it as the default for new iMac purchases (like the number pad free keyboard was to maintain uniformity for MacBook users who also owned a desktop)?

My guess is that it will be an option. I'll probably buy one since I keep wishing my MM worked like a trackpad.

I'm not sure the number pad free keyboard is the size it is to, "maintain uniformity for MacBook users who also owned a desktop." The size actually has much better ergonomics than a "full-size" keyboard: you don't have to stretch your arm out so far to the side to reach the mouse. Also, you can keep it centered in a line between you and the screen, so it's more pleasing in that way, too. Besides, unless you're an accountant, who needs a number pad?
post #47 of 102
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... Before someone says "uh, don't read the rumor sites if you don't like them," it's not so easy to avoid all the rumors, since they're so often mixed in with the real news and reviews. ...

Someone already said that in post #19.
post #48 of 102
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Originally Posted by Eye Forget View Post

After the iPad keyboard, not a chance. The keyboard needs too much work. The biggest issue I have is if you don't hit the keyboard with the fleshy part of your finger, there's no response. Too slow as well. For an iPhone it's great, for the iPad, marginal at best, for my main Mac, not a chance.

You misunderstood the guy. He meant that it could be used in conjunction with the physical iPad keyboard and give you multi-touch input in lieu of touching the iPad screen.

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post #49 of 102
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Originally Posted by jasenj1 View Post

Are there any utilities out there to make a Touch or iPhone a trackpad? That would seem like a very useful utility - add in some way for apps to put buttons on the display and I think you'd have something pretty spiffy. If Apple wanted to get cute, they could make a library to do it at the OS level.

I've always been a trackball person, but multi-finger gestures are pretty nice. I'd be willing to give a desk based trackpad a try to see how the ergonomics work compared to a trackball.

- Jasen.

Yes, there are several, actually. Have been for at least a year. One of the reasons I kept my two original iPhone EDGE models after upgrading to a 3G and 3G[s] were to use them as air remotes for the Mac Mini home theater. Check out the following apps for the iPhone:

Touchpad
iTap
Air Mouse.

There are probably others as well.
post #50 of 102
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

I guess if it's real, I'd like to hear their use case. I always figured that the trackpad idea was the best that could be done with the constraints of a notebook computer. But once you can have a detached device, it seems that a more conventional mouse is a lot more efficient. Magic Mouse seems to offer the best of both worlds, the control of a regular mouse with multitouch gestures of Apple's trackpad.

I've got a Magic Mouse, and it remains virtually unused in my drawer because it's not a great mouse, and it's no MacBook Pro trackpad. The use case is to use it as a mouse replacement, just like you do on your laptop. The multitouch trackpad is, to me, much more efficient, and much easier on the wrists than pushing a mouse around the real desktop.

This is definitely one of those things that boils down to personal preference, of course.
post #51 of 102
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Originally Posted by monstrosity View Post

too slow

I think this had more to do with him having this news almost 8 months ago -- not that he was the first to post a comment today. Just not Daring Fireball style.
post #52 of 102
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Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post

Someone already said that in post #19.

Yes, I meant in response to me directly.

That wasn't my real point anyways. I don't think the hype machine and secrecy works to Apple's benefit any more. Or maybe it does after all. I've been waiting to get the EVO for a couple of months, but did hold off to see if Apple's got a real surprise up there sleeves, but it's still mostly just annoying in the long run.
post #53 of 102
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

I guess if it's real, I'd like to hear their use case. I always figured that the trackpad idea was the best that could be done with the constraints of a notebook computer. But once you can have a detached device, it seems that a more conventional mouse is a lot more efficient. Magic Mouse seems to offer the best of both worlds, the control of a regular mouse with multitouch gestures of Apple's trackpad.

I was hoping to love the Magic Mouse. I ended up taking it back because my hand would start to hurt after 8 hours of editing. The low profile was almost too low compared to the Mighty Mouse...just my 2 cents.
post #54 of 102
Its great when Apple have an event, the rumours and excitement around the world is fantastic. Lets face it, we are all lovers of Apple products, they are the best and make what we do at work, home and play more fun. They interact with the way we work, and best of all they "just work"

I am sure that this product (if its real) will have great functionality and be well researched and investigated by Apple. As mentioned above, we will just have to wait just a few more hours to see what is going on.

Cant wait, should be a good Keynote whatever, Although I think its all about Iphone and Ipad. Might see the new Apple TV, which would be nice.
post #55 of 102
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Originally Posted by Damn_Its_Hot View Post

I think this had more to do with him having this news almost 8 months ago -- not that he was the first to post a comment today. Just not Daring Fireball style.

It's slightly amusing in that light if it were the real Gruber, which I don't believe, but there are so many adolescent "first" posts cluttering blogs and forums it's just lame.
post #56 of 102
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Originally Posted by Daemonk View Post

Looks like one heck of a universal remote. Just a slate with no pre-defined UI.

To be a universal remote it would need some other features, IMO

1) It must have IR so it can learn and control other devices
2) It must have virtual buttons to control devices with no onscreen menu
3) It must fit comfortably in one hand
4) It must be operable with one hand-- the basic things like volume channel selection
5) It must be modal
--- Virtual buttons for non-screen operations while looking at the remote
--- Multi-touch gestures for on-screen operations while looking at the screen
6) it must be sturdy (few/no moving parts)
7) it must have a Valcro-like bottom surface, so it doesn't slide down between the couch cushions
8) It must cost less than $50 -- this is a basic remote
9) the iPod Touch or iPad is the "Big Daddy" URC

IMO, The MagicMouse is the ideal size, shape and weight,

-- It already has BT
-- Remove the laser and switch-- no mousing around
-- Add IR
-- Add "squeeze" gesture sensitivity (Multi-Touch area on sides
-- Add LEDs under semi-opaque surface that indicate virtual buttons
-- Squeeze gesture switches between Virtual button mode and MT mode

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post #57 of 102
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Originally Posted by maccherry View Post

Oh snap! Did you snap your fingers and snake you neck when you said that? Did I read some attitude in them words?

"IT WAS VIEWED AT AN ANGLE". OHHHHHHHH.

I read no 'tude in this at all -- I thought the same thing when I read the "stretched Apple" comment.

What is with all the emphasis added that would change the tone just a bit. Did you have your mail set to "plain text, ALL caps"?

It seems maybe YOU have been offended for some reason.

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post #58 of 102
John Gruber posted: "first"

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Originally Posted by DistortedLoop View Post

Welcome to my ignore list. FIRST person ever to earn that honor on this forum. Guess you actually really were first at something.

I think you missed the joke: John Gruber supposedly first hinted at this device in his blog perhaps as early as last October. "first", get it? a snippy person would say you weren't in the loop, or that your loop was distorted.
post #59 of 102
Lookis to me to be a photo of the underside of a wireless keyboard
post #60 of 102
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Originally Posted by Rod76 View Post

Can't wait to pre-order this if its real. I can't see myself using this as a mouse replacement, but I can see this being a great tool to augment my Magic Mouse.

Even with BetterTouchTool there are some things I'd like to split between two devices for specific functions. There are just certain gestures that BetterTouchTool has a hard time with and there are a lot of false positives. This (alleged) touch pad would completely alleviate that.

I couldn't find my post in the many places I visit, but I did say, before we knew what Apple's next input device, the Magic Mouse, would be, that I wished Apple would take the square trackpad from the MBP and create a mouse out of that. I did! I honestly did!!

If this is an actual product soon to be announced, then I am just glad that Apple listened to me.


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post #61 of 102
I just can't see operating something like Photoshop or Illustrator with this. I use a 9-button logitech mouse, all of which are programmed to shortcut various key commands. For standard browsing, iTV, etc... maybe.
post #62 of 102
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I hope it comes in a wired version. I hate having to replace batteries every couple of weeks.

I've been running my Apple Bluetooth keyboard for months, never turning it off, on the same batteries. Granted, it's on my Mac Mini connected to a TV set so I don't use the keyboard that much, but still...
post #63 of 102
I wouldn't mind if this thing worked like a notepad -- so you could sit back in your chair and sketch notes, drawings and the like into your computer. It would be a lovely thing when working on a proposal at the early stages, or when doing corrections of a document.

just my thoughts (I work in organic chemistry, to interfacing images and text is key to me)
post #64 of 102
It looks like a fake, but if it is not a fake, it could mean only one thing...

The end of conventional Mac OS to be replaced by iPhone OS with it's own App Store.
post #65 of 102
Dear Apple,

As a Mac desktop and laptop user here's what I want for my desktops: A keyboard / trackpad combo unit laid out exactly like the keyboard / trackpad on the MacBook Pros.

The keyboard should have black keys, just like the MacBook Pros (white keys on something you handle most of the day? really! what were you thinking?). The key layout should exactly match that of the most recent MacBook Pros. The trackpad should exactly match that of the most recent MacBook Pros. You could even make the keys glow in the dark like that in the MacBook Pros.

This seems so obvious. It's something I've wanted since my first iBook. One set of input memories for my hands and brain.

While this rumor is a step in that direction, it places the trackpad to the side rather than below the keyboard. Like the mouse it would replace, it would require a different set of motions than a trackpad positioned just like the laptops.

Thank you for your consideration.
post #66 of 102
I'm willing to wait for the presentation before I judge. Not convinced this is anything yet.

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post #67 of 102
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The end of conventional Mac OS to be replaced by iPhone OS with it's own App Store.

There's no way Apple is getting rid of OS X. That would nullify so many of their other products and software like Logic. It's just yet another input device they will sell.
post #68 of 102
I seriously doubt this for 2 or 3 reasons.

1. It solves a problem Apple does not have. They just introduced the Magic Mouse, and while it's not perfect, this moves away from that in terms of usability. I'd figure they'd incrementally improve the MM instead of crafting a whole new breed of input devices.

2. Apple is moving away from input devices altogether -- why would they throw even more resources at something they're trying to eliminate?

3. The rubber bottom. I think it's probably photoshopped form an Airport Extreme or an Apple TV, or perhaps a Mini. Those have rubber bottoms to keep them from sliding around on a surface. The bottom of this thing, with the battery compartment holding it up, would never even contact a flat surface except at the front edge. They wouldn't waste all that rubber when a little strip or perhaps 2 feet at the front would do the trick.

Edit: Looking at the pics again, perhaps the bottom is plastic -- it looks like there's little feet. I still wonder what utility it serves?

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I hope it comes in a wired version. I hate having to replace batteries every couple of weeks.

I get a couple of months out of my wireless magic mouse and wireless keyboard. You should at least get the same or better life on the pad.
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Originally Posted by T'hain Esh Kelch View Post

They should have incorporated a screen..

the only company I've seen do that is Wacom and they probably hold several patents that would make it difficult for anyone else.

that said, I agree. I would be happy to see some compet in that market cause $2200 is steep.

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Wouldn't it be an iPad at that point?

not at all. there's no CPU brains it in to do actual work. just enough to display and send back input.

you could take it two ways.

1. Is the Wacom Cintiq route. They are used by a lot of creatives for drawing and such. Being able to have a digital sketchpad where you can look at the previous work and the new at the same time (without moving your head) is invaluable for coloring and shading comics for example

2. a changeable keyboard. there was a concept idea maybe 2 years ago. the idea was that you would basically have a flat keyboard which would adjust according to language, DVORAK v QWERTY preference, even shortcuts in programs like Final Cut and Logic

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post #71 of 102
Meh. I'll keep my original fingerworks multi-touch pad thank you very much.
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Originally Posted by Doxxic View Post

My thoughts exactly.

Except when you are sitting on a couch and the screen is your tv...

That's exactly why I've been desperately waiting for such a device for the last 18 months. Mac Mini connected to a large TV in the lounge, used for watching things like BBC iPlayer or for my son to play on the internet and be able to keep an eye on him.

If you've ever tried to use a mouse on your knee or arm rest of a sofa for any length of time you'll see how absolutely essential a Bluetooth trackpad is.
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Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post

Apple may as well just set up a webcam in their labs and save everyone the trouble.

As for a trackpad for desktops, what a ridiculous idea. Trackpads are HORRIBLE compromises for portable computers - the best of a very bad job etc. A mouse blows a trackpad away in every possible way every single time, and no I don't care about pinching/zooming/twiddling when I'm in 3D Studio Max or Photoshop.

No worries then. It probably won't work on Windows anyway.

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Apple may as well just set up a webcam in their labs and save everyone the trouble.

As for a trackpad for desktops, what a ridiculous idea. Trackpads are HORRIBLE compromises for portable computers - the best of a very bad job etc. A mouse blows a trackpad away in every possible way every single time, and no I don't care about pinching/zooming/twiddling when I'm in 3D Studio Max or Photoshop.

I disagree completely. I was thinking about getting the wacom equivalent to this several months back, but heard about some issues with it. I'd love multi-touch capability at work on my iMac, this could be the trick.
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post #75 of 102
Anyone who thinks this is a universal remote is not thinking it though.

I could imagine an iPhone being one, but not a trackpad. Besides, the physical piece of hardware is designed to be placed on a table, which is anti-living room.
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post #76 of 102
If it's a fake, it's a good one. Would be interesting, too bad track pads are a tactile nightmare to use.
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2. a changeable keyboard. there was a concept idea maybe 2 years ago. the idea was that you would basically have a flat keyboard which would adjust according to language, DVORAK v QWERTY preference, even shortcuts in programs like Final Cut and Logic


If you are going to have a third input device sitting on your desk anyway, the touch screen/ keyboard could have almost unlimited features. I think this is where the technology is eventually going. Not ideal for word processing but for graphics, 3D, video editing, etc, it could be useful.

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Originally Posted by DistortedLoop View Post

Welcome to my ignore list. FIRST person ever to earn that honor on this forum. Guess you actually really were first at something. LOL.

Re: the actual device: I WANT THIS. I prefer the MBP trackpad to a mouse any day.

Your ignore list is going to fill up quickly if that innocuous post sent you over the edge. ....
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Because it's being viewed at an angle.

OH oh oh, I see. I thought that was a thick side when I first looked at it. It seemed very un-apple like to have something so thick looking. That makes much more sense and now that I look at it I don't even know how I saw it as a side, it is clearly the bottom. Silly me.
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post #80 of 102
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Originally Posted by OnePotato View Post

I hope it comes in a wired version. I hate having to replace batteries every couple of weeks.

I don't think so. My wireless keyboard has lasted for 4 months now and my mouse for about 2 months. Not sure where you got two week usage.
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