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No doubt the Apple goon squad dragged him to the dungeon under the Infinite Loop campus and are beating him to a bloody pulp as we speak.

Well, it is a developers' conference. Maybe he'll just get a little extra review love for his apps. You know, like what they affectionately refer to as the GV protocol.
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if nothing else, this will keep the wolves at bay for a month or 2

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It really irritates me when someone like Jobs or Ballmer acts like people don't know what else is on the market when they say there's nothing like their product.

Overall, this is a good evolution of the iphone. Still not as revolutionary as the first though.

It really irritates me when people don't understand business or marketing. What do you expect Jobs to say? "Hey, we have a new phone. It's pretty much like the old one but some things are better. The Sprint EVO 4G's camera has more megapixels. I guess there is no reason to buy this phone." Seriously!
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What part of the announcement do you feel was hype.

In reviews Sprints 4G was only found to be marginally faster than AT&T's 3G but a significantly larger drain on the battery. I would call that being suckered by hype.

At this point, the 4g radio drains the battery in about 4 hours if there is no 4g service. Sprint even tells people to turn the 4g radio off if they are out of coverage. I think they shouldn't have to, but the technology isn't there yet to detect and automatically toggle. If you are within coverage, it doesn't drain the device any faster.

4G speeds also are very dependent on which city you're in. At ppcgeeks, a person posted 3.22mbps dl speed with 4 bars while I've seen other people getting above 8mbps.

Finally, the 4g radio isn't as much of a sell as you think. I mean it's nice and all, but I know it's not something I look at first and I know I'm not alone from what I see people saying about it.
post #165 of 508
He he he 32 GB. I won't say i told you so.

64GB was never going to happen especially with what Apple will announce next.
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post #166 of 508
On my last trip I took an iPod, cell phone, GPS and digital camera and finally realized, this is silly. So I was ready to replace all these devices with the new iPhone announced today.

Unfortunately, the maximum storage staying at 32GB throws a wrench in my plans. I held off buying an iPod touch for several release cycles until its storage finally went up to 64GB. Now I don't want to do the same thing with the iPhone. But I also don't want to carry both an iPhone and an iPod touch around with me. Plus, I figured I could get a good price for the iPod to help pay for the new phone!

Argh...
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But, in this argument about ppi and eye resolution, we have to remember that each pixel is comprised of Red, Green, and Blue spots. Those spots are much smaller than the entire grey pixel they comprise. This is not understood by some posters here. So if there is one red pixel in a field for black it will be smaller than one pixel of light grey (or white), in that field of black.

Good point. Apple didn't go the cheap route and use a cheaper PenTile Matrix display (they throw away something like 33% of the color info?).

http://blog.javia.org/nexus-one-disp...pixel-pattern/

http://www.displaymate.com/Nexus_iPhone_ShootOut.htm

The display does look impressive. Another thread on slashdot actually prompted me to look at the HTC Evo specs. They are actually quite good (on paper), although history has taught us that they tend to skimp on quality in various aspects (EVO still uses the same crappy PenTile display).

http://phandroid.com/2010/03/23/htc-...hed-by-sprint/

In any case, I don't have any interest in switching from my iPhone as I don't have any issues with AT&T, and the new iPhone 4 looks very enticing to me. I do wish they would expand on the Bluetooth profile support a bit (any word on that yet?). I'm also a bit surprised that they stuck to 2.4Ghz for the Wireless-N. Still an improvement in any case.
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post #168 of 508
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But, in this argument about ppi and eye resolution, we have to remember that each pixel is comprised of Red, Green, and Blue spots. Those spots are much smaller than the entire grey pixel they comprise. This is not understood by some posters here. So if there is one red pixel in a field for black it will be smaller than one pixel of light grey (or white), in that field of black.

True however two red pixels side by side will have a space between them where as two gray pixels will not (have as much). But I'm just splitting hairs. The new display is still probably the best out there.

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What is a 6-axis sensor package (i.e., what are the 6 axis, and why is that different/better than a 3-axis, XYZ sensor package)?

I'm still on page 2 so someone else may have answered this, but the 6 axis bit refers to up, down, left, right, forward, back I believe. Sixaxis was also the name of the PS3 controller.
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Isn't Apple using their own internally-developed battery specs?

They are using LiPoly across the board, but they seem to have mastered their own management system to increase efficient and life.
http://www.apple.com/batteries/
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post #171 of 508
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It really irritates me when people don't understand business or marketing. What do you expect Jobs to say? "Hey, we have a new phone. It's pretty much like the old one but some things are better. The Sprint EVO 4G's camera has more megapixels. I guess there is no reason to buy this phone." Seriously!

LOL! No I don't expect him to say all that, but don't talk to us like children. Calling the iPad magical really is a great example of what I'm talking about here.

OR, he could go in the opposite direction and make it even MORE absurd. "What God would use to call people" seems like a pretty good sales pitch
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Happy to see they actually have engineers who understand how photography works, instead of the marketing department using making the choices.

The backlight system he describes is correct. More pixels is good but you also need more light as you add more pixels. Most phone manufacturers add more pixels which decreases the amount of light each pixel can gather. They use other tricks to make up the difference.

The OLED complaint about Apple ignores what they've done (and patented) with this display. It's gathering the surrounding light and amplifying it to enhance the display. You can't yet overpower the sun -- but at least those pixels in the sun, will be brighter BECAUSE of the light hitting the display.

And most consumers aren't going to be looking at processor speed -- IF they can edit HD video they just recorded -- then they are looking at it in terms of "what can I do."

The Android is a good phone and good competition -- but the geeks are all entranced by what they CAN DO -- if you've got X service pack, Y app with Z service and align the right direction. I don't have any of these google phones yet -- but the lack of a store and a "walled garden" and forcing providers to support the features, rather than turn them on and off at will is going to cause a bit of regret once average users get these phones.

I'm wondering how useable these phones will be after 2 years.

But the new hardware features on this phone are really going to create envy for 3GS owners -- it's a really solid upgrade, but that front-facing camera phone is going to mean videoconferencing at home and office.
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So you agree with Jobs then when he says it's as revolutionary as the first? That's all opinion I guess. I'll say that comparatively it's definitely looking to be the best, ESPECIALLY at the price it's going for.

Now my dilemma: Pay $200 Sprint ETF, pick up this for 200 and pay extra each month, OR, get an Evo for 450 and pay less than at&t lol. (Also, I have to consider wireless tethering on Sprint, which is something I use constantly.)

I see this phone as being far ahead of whatever's out there now. Do I see it as revolutionary? Well, yes, in a way I do.

What we've been seeing is that when Apple implements a feature, it becomes an important feature to have. It becomes used. When other companies have introduced the same features, we haven't seen that. One reason is as Jobs has said, Apple sweats the details. They get it right. Android phones have a fair amount of poorly thought out features. The OS is still wonky and crude. It's not just my opinion, but the opinion of even the reviewers in many cases, even if they liked the phone. The same thing is true of the hardware. As I said, a crappy 5 MP camera, which is what these other phones mostly have, isn't impressive. If this camera proves to be as good as it looks to be, then it will make a major difference. The same thing is true of the 720p recording. I've seen that on a couple of other phones, and it's not very good. If Apple's 5 times zoom works in movie mode, it could be spectacular, if it works the way I think it might. We can look to the 5 MP sensor for that. You only need 921,600 pixels for 720p. We've got almost 6 times that. Zooming to 5x will still leave us with more than we need. It will remain sharp throughout the entire zoom range.

This phone can actually be a substitute for the $150 and cheaper digital cameras that people still buy in large numbers. That would be revolutionary. But, even now, iPhones are the biggest contributor to Facebook pictures.

It reminds me of the 8 hour recording time that VHS has in relation to the 5 hour record time of Beta. It sucked. It really wasn't useable. This is like a lot of the features of other phones. The features exist, but they aren't good. Apple's are good. Yes, I know that Beta died out. But Apple isn't Sony, and the iPhone isn't a Beta machine.

I'm willing to bet that Apple's video calling will be used, while that of others won't. That makes that feature, on the iPhone, revolutionary.

The OS is better too. Apple now has covered the features other phones were offering in more poorly functioning fashion. 7 hours for 3G talk. What other smartphone comes close to that? The highest rated Android models all have fairly poor battery life. 40 hours music. Who else has that?

It's the totality of the package that matters. If you want to pick out a feature out here and there from other phones, that's fine. But it tells you nothing about the whole experience. And in that, this phone is revolutionary, as have the older ones been.

I see people who don't like Apple on other sites going meh about this, but that's just because it's an Apple product. I pay no attention to it.

AT&T's plans now cost less than they did. The difference may not be all that much. Sprint and T-Mobile offer slightly cheaper plans because they aren't doing that well, and have no choice.
post #174 of 508
Apple developed- and perfected, I imagine, a new type of steel and glass for iPhone 4. This is revolutionary. No other phone maker I can think of goes to such extremes to not only make their products function as best as possible, but to be as aesthetically pleasing. What other phone is essentially scratch proof? The little things perfected are what make Apple and its products revolutionary.
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Why? No free thought allowed?

I think if there hadn't been so many rumors about it, the person wouldn't have even said it. There's just so much talk about a cdma iphone for Verizon though.

Last i checked, thought can't be heard further than 6 inches away from its source
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I am really excited about it -- if it was onsale today (instead of June 24), I would go get it now. rright now. Just ditch the meeting I have in 7 min and go.

but it isn't, so I'm gonna whine about my one complaint:

only 32G. I waited 2 years and only am getting 32G. The touch has had 64G for a year; I'd cheerfully pay an extra $50 for 64G.

(grumble, grumble)


>> I think they REALLY need a portable storage system that connects to the dock port or something. Here's the real kicker -- how many MINUTES of HD video are you really going to edit with a max of 32G? Maybe 15?

Storage space is as important to video editing as a good antenna and battery life are to a phone. So I'd even go with a thicker phone myself, if it went up to 128G. Everything else about these seems to be a great balance of performance vs. usability - but yes, the storage size is really a problem when you consider the new HD features and video editing.
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Android has a 64GB phone?

Nope. I was hoping to replace three devices (phone, Palm TX and iPod) with one. Going to Android means I'll be able to reduce that to two, but the iPod won't get retired. I won't be able to go to an iPod + iPhone setup (even later) because there's only one checkbox per item in iTunes to manage what does and doesn't get synced.
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LOL! No I don't expect him to say all that, but don't talk to us like children. Calling the iPad magical really is a great example of what I'm talking about here.

I know what Jobs means when he says it's a magical device, although i'd use a different word, i get the jist of what he's saying.

I picked one up for the first time last week and it really is special. 100's of other people queing up to try 20 iPads on display is something i haven't seen since the iPhone and even then not to this extent. There was clearly something magical or special or whatever you want to call it keeping these people on the iPad for so long. Truly amazing device. Lets not get complacent now.
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I am really excited about it -- if it was onsale today (instead of June 24), I would go get it now. rright now. Just ditch the meeting I have in 7 min and go.

but it isn't, so I'm gonna whine about my one complaint:

only 32G. I waited 2 years and only am getting 32G. The touch has had 64G for a year; I'd cheerfully pay an extra $50 for 64G.

(grumble, grumble)

64 would not cost $50 more, so you wouldn't be doing that. That, and 64 GB will be available in a few months for people like you. MAYBE holding that back for a special launch of some kind?
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Are you sure you are actually familiar with the biology of vision itself?
And, for that matter the psycology -- what people see, and how they perceive what they saw?

Please do enlighten us with your expertise. Your initial lecture does not suggest you do.

Equating precision with the size of a reinal cell? But then again, if it cannot display anything, how can it be the arbiter of precision, and more important, perception?

I heard, a team of scientists (one of them a professor at Harvard) won the Nobel prize for their seminal work on the biology of vision. You may want to brush up on their work and those who followed on their research. There is also a great body of work on the psychology of vision.

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I teach vision science in a major California, university, the claims about this display are patently false.

First, I'll overlook the claim about what the human retina can display, that's just wrong. The retina doesn't display anything, it's not a projector. Rather, it is an information gather device that has light projected on to it. It's nothing like a display at all. And, even if SJ meant display as in a projection screen, which is only partially correct, it doesn't change facts about the acuity of human visual perception.

The human retina is actually capable of picking up details finer than the width of a human photoreceptor itself. This is sometimes measured with what's called vernier acuity, the ability to detect if two lines are offset from one another.

Further, there are literally BILLIONS of receptors in the retina, with MILLIONS in a linear inch. There is no way a display of 326 ppi is higher resolution than the millions of receptors in a linear inch in the retina.

I'm very saddened to see this misrepresentation of the capabilities of the display in the new iPhone. It will only give the trolls food.
post #181 of 508
Well I bashed the iPhone 4 design when it was first leaked. Somehow Apple has a way of making it look so good... and have to admit the iPhone 4 is starting to woo me as well. There's an interesting quote from BusinessWeek: Just improving [the iPhone] every year enables competitors to catch up to it very quickly, but I have to disagree. It has been 3 years since the first iPhone and Apple has been "just improving it" ever since. Only now, after 3 years do they have a few legitimate competitors. To the average person, the features of the iPhone 4 are more than sufficient - and also allow easy transfer of an iTunes library. But Apple's biggest competition is not Andoid right now, its their network, or lack thereof. Unfortunately, Apple did not announce a Verizon handset today, solidifying rumors that Apple is in deed tied to a 5 year contract with AT&T which is looking more and more like a ball and chain. As the masses migrate to smartphones, they will inevitably migrate to their networks of choice, increasingly not AT&T in larger cities. Otherwise, the new iPhone looks like a winner. It will sell just as well and better than it has. But if if if they could squeeze Verizon into its offering... boy they would explode in growth.
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Nope. I was hoping to replace three devices (phone, Palm TX and iPod) with one. Going to Android means I'll be able to reduce that to two, but the iPod won't get retired. I won't be able to go to an iPod + iPhone setup (even later) because there's only one checkbox per item in iTunes to manage what does and doesn't get synced.

See ya.
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post #183 of 508
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He did say that they kept the pixel size of the camera sensor the same and added a backlighting feature to help add more photons to the higher pixel density. These are the little things necessary with increased pixel density to actually take a better image.

Other phone manufacturers increase megapixels by shrinking pixels.

Yes. And there are several methods to do that. The backlit sensor is a major feature. Sony first came out with these for their D-SLR's. People don't understand how a sensor works. The circuits are actually ABOVE the sensing sites. This technology reverses the chip, making it more sensitive, as the light doesn't have to go through those layers.

Apple may be using a slightly larger chip as well. I believe I read that about this chip. In addition, Canon, and others, are making chips with less dead space between the sensing sites, allowing the sites to be larger.
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>> I think they REALLY need a portable storage system that connects to the dock port or something. Here's the real kicker -- how many MINUTES of HD video are you really going to edit with a max of 32G? Maybe 15?

My son has a Flip HD which can do 2 hours of 720P video in 2 GB.
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>> I think they REALLY need a portable storage system that connects to the dock port or something. Here's the real kicker -- how many MINUTES of HD video are you really going to edit with a max of 32G? Maybe 15?

Storage space is as important to video editing as a good antenna and battery life are to a phone. So I'd even go with a thicker phone myself, if it went up to 128G. Everything else about these seems to be a great balance of performance vs. usability - but yes, the storage size is really a problem when you consider the new HD features and video editing.

You do realize that a typical Blu-Ray disk with 1080P video takes up anywhere from 17-35 GB on average right? That's with 6 channel discrete HD Audio as well. 720p with mono will take far less.
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post #186 of 508
melgross --
Yeah, it MAY be revolutionary. What Apple is doing better than the rest is how they integrate the features. Nobody seems to get that until they start using it and then the new apps flow in.

It doesn't come out like a new feature -- it comes out like a new ability that affects the gestalt. All fan-boy nonsense aside, those few "cool" new features are going to be combined in new applications.

The HD video editing for iMovie on the iOS and the accelerometer and better antennae and gyro -- that means you can use this device perhaps for Surveying or as a contractor. The iPad is on its way to revolutionizing hospitals with a device that can speak to everything and be used to check your blood glucose.

It's an intermediary -- but I"m really waiting for the avalanche of USB-enabled sensor probes. This really should be the Star Trek tricorder.
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"When Jobs turned to Scott Forstall, senior vice president for iPhone software, for ideas, someone in the audience suggested they try the Verizon network."

I would have paid to hear that

Yeah, but I'd rather if the 576 idiots in the audience with their own wireless base stations would stop crowding the airwaves so they don't disappoint everyone by screwing with the demos.
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post #188 of 508
I have not yet got a clear picture of how this is planned to work.

1) Will the ad banners appear on the iPhone screen only when you use an app, or also when you use the phone without using an app?

2) And further: How often will an ad banner be presented on the screen, and

3) for how long time (if you not cut it off by clicking on it once and then again to make it disappear)?

4) And will its location on the screen disturb your own activity on and with the screeen?

5) And at last: How big and in what format will the ad appear?

Even though I can understand the need for such ads, I must say there are possible serious downsides with them, too. And perhaps this will not turn out as a good idea for the users, at the end of the day. I am afraid many users will take a negative attitude towards such an (for many users: unwelcome and not asked for) intrusion on the screen.
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Oh I'm impressed. I haven't seen the gyro yet. I'm very satisfied with the update. I wasn't impressed with the 3GS over the 3G, but I'm super impressed with the IP4 over the 3GS.

I'm impressed too, but as someone who has had all three, the 3G-->3GS jump was the most significant of the two jumps when actual usefulness of the upgrades is the question.
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Originally Posted by mstone View Post

Another thing to consider is with a 960 by 640 pixel display, the entire screen has 614,400 pixels each with the ability to display only one of the 16 million rgb values. Since human vision does not use rgb it is difficult to compare it to a digital display. The mind interprets colors outside of the rgb color gamut. So in the regard to comparing the iPhone's display to human vision, aside from the resolution issue, the iPhone is also inferior, and to a measurable degree inaccurate, in its color representation.

You have to multiply that number by three, or four, if they're using a doubling of the green sites. Displaying red will give a much smaller "dot" than displaying white, or grey, or yellow, or magenta, or cyan.

There's no such thing as the "RGB" gamut. RGB can have a small gamut, or a very large gamut. Seeing detail has nothing to do with the gamut per se.
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I see this phone as being far ahead of whatever's out there now. Do I see it as revolutionary? Well, yes, in a way I do.

What we've been seeing is that when Apple implements a feature, it becomes an important feature to have. It becomes used. When other companies have introduced the same features, we haven't seen that. One reason is as Jobs has said, Apple sweats the details. They get it right. Android phones have a fair amount of poorly thought out features. The OS is still wonky and crude. It's not just my opinion, but the opinion of even the reviewers in many cases, even if they liked the phone. The same thing is true of the hardware. As I said, a crappy 5 MP camera, which is what these other phones mostly have, isn't impressive. If this camera proves to be as good as it looks to be, then it will make a major difference. The same thing is true of the 720p recording. I've seen that on a couple of other phones, and it's not very good. If Apple's 5 times zoom works in movie mode, it could be spectacular, if it works the way I think it might. We can look to the 5 MP sensor for that. You only need 921,600 pixels for 720p. We've got almost 6 times that. Zooming to 5x will still leave us with more than we need. It will remain sharp throughout the entire zoom range.

This phone can actually be a substitute for the $150 and cheaper digital cameras that people still buy in large numbers. That would be revolutionary. But, even now, iPhones are the biggest contributor to Facebook pictures.

It reminds me of the 8 hour recording time that VHS has in relation to the 5 hour record time of Beta. It sucked. It really wasn't useable. This is like a lot of the features of other phones. The features exist, but they aren't good. Apple's are good. Yes, I know that Beta died out. But Apple isn't Sony, and the iPhone isn't a Beta machine.

I'm willing to bet that Apple's video calling will be used, while that of others won't. That makes that feature, on the iPhone, revolutionary.

The OS is better too. Apple now has covered the features other phones were offering in more poorly functioning fashion. 7 hours for 3G talk. What other smartphone comes close to that? The highest rated Android models all have fairly poor battery life. 40 hours music. Who else has that?

It's the totality of the package that matters. If you want to pick out a feature out here and there from other phones, that's fine. But it tells you nothing about the whole experience. And in that, this phone is revolutionary, as have the older ones been.

I see people who don't like Apple on other sites going meh about this, but that's just because it's an Apple product. I pay no attention to it.

AT&T's plans now cost less than they did. The difference may not be all that much. Sprint and T-Mobile offer slightly cheaper plans because they aren't doing that well, and have no choice.

Beautifully stated.
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I have not yet got a clear picture of how this is planned to work.

1) Will the ad banners appear on the iPhone screen only when you use an app, or also when you use the phone without using an app?

2) And further: How often will an ad banner be presented on the screen, and

3) for how long time (if you not cut it off by clicking on it once and then again to make it disappear)?

4) And will its location on the screen disturb your own activity on and with the screeen?

5) And at last: How big and in what format will the ad appear?

Even though I can understand the need for such ads, I must say there are possible serious downsides with them, too. And perhaps this is not a good idea for the users, at the end of the day.

1) Only in apps, as that is what iAd is specifically targeted for. To allow app designers an easier way to incorporate ads in their apps

2) Depends on the app designer

3) Depends on the app designer

4) Depends on the app designer

5) Depends on the app designer

I think you get the point. If a designer goes crazy with Ads, their app will bomb, and they will go nowhere. These things have a tendency to take care of themselves. Chances are the ads will be unobtrusive IF your app of choice decides to use them. They can't afford something that drives users away.
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My son has a Flip HD which can do 2 hours of 720P video in 2 GB.

It all depends on the compression, and the type of video it's shooting. It also depends on the OS. Does it allow more than 2 GB for a single video file? That's a problem.
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You would call like normal. It's just that the feature would be available if your phone was also contacted to a wifi network.

If that's true, which I suspect it is, imagine how complicated it would be to get the audio and video synced? One traveling over 3G and the other over wifi?
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To answer some questions about the six axis sensors, I want to point out a current limitation of the 3 axis accelerometer. Right now the phone can pick up tilting the phone in any direction and translating the phone up and down. Currently though the accelerometers can't pick up a rotation of the phone if it stays flat. For example if you set your phone down on a table and rotate it so the home button goes from close to you to far away. The gyros will pick up this rotation where currently the accelerometers can't.

Also, gyros will allow the software to determine if the phone is being tilted or translated. Right now there isn't a way to determine if an acceleration was due to gravity, or due to the phone being translated. I would imagine for games like Monkey Ball they may be able to better sense tilt, and that playing while riding in a car would be easier.
"Slow vehicle speeds with frequent stops would signal traffic congestion, for instance."

uh... it could also signal that my Mom is at the wheel...
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"Slow vehicle speeds with frequent stops would signal traffic congestion, for instance."

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Yeah, but I'd rather if the 576 idiots in the audience with their own wireless base stations would stop crowding the airwaves so they don't disappoint everyone by screwing with the demos.

What I'm surprised at is that they don't have a private WiFi station there just for the demos.
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It all depends on the compression, and the type of video it's shooting. It also depends on the OS. Does it allow more than 2 GB for a single video file? That's a problem.

That 2GB limit is typically a limit of the underlying file system. That won't be an issue on an iPhone.
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For someone who claims to teach this stuff, it honestly saddens me that you've tried to equate the cell density of the retina with the density of a display device held 10 to 12 inches away. Your nitpicking assumes you smashed the display up against your retina (of course, then you couldn't actually see the whole display). Your vision really does lose "resolution" the farther away an object is. Otherwise, we'd all be able to see the stripes on the American flag on the Moon.

Maybe you'd like to source some research that says the retina can pick out detail higher than 326 ppi at 10 inches away before making nonsensical arguments.

I mean really, is everyone really so truly saddened by this stuff?

The professor you're replying to is truly saddened at SJ's comments, as if somehow the impending pop-culture explosion of his vision science field is thrown off track by the speech. And you are "honestly" saddened by this comments? Cmon people
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You do realize that a typical Blu-Ray disk with 1080P video takes up anywhere from 17-35 GB on average right? That's with 6 channel discrete HD Audio as well. 720p with mono will take far less.

That does come to mind -- sure. But you'd need a super fast video compressor-decompressor and lose a lot of quality to MASTER video in 17 Gigs.

Apple's Intermediate CODEC is good for editing video. But more or less, I'd say that in REAL WORLD terms, you need about 3X the storage space of the Time of the video on a FINAL HD CODEC. When you layer graphics you've got the source, and then you've got the rendering of the layers in a much less compressed codec.

On top of that, you MIGHT be doing something more than just video editing. My 16 Gig iPod Touch is full to the brim, and that's without ANY video editing going on. So maybe I slim it down to 8 Gigs, and then add all the newer LARGER apps that will be designed for the new HD platform...

... So, by my rough estimate -- a REAL HD video will require about a Gig a Minute -- but for people doing that home movie who can't tell a compressed SD from an HD signal -- maybe they can do an hour with 18 Gigs of free space.
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What I'm surprised at is that they don't have a private WiFi station there just for the demos.

I'm sure they did, but with a limited number of WiFi channels, I would imagine 570 networks just used up all the spectrum.
"Slow vehicle speeds with frequent stops would signal traffic congestion, for instance."

uh... it could also signal that my Mom is at the wheel...
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"Slow vehicle speeds with frequent stops would signal traffic congestion, for instance."

uh... it could also signal that my Mom is at the wheel...
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