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post #41 of 508
6/7/10 at 11:55am
That would be nice, but its built into the OS so its doubtful iAds will be for general use.

The crazy thing about iAds is that those are major brands most of Google's ads are from small companies or other software makers.

Under other circumstances it would be impossible for a small software developer to get an ad and major commercial from Nissan, Geico, Targert, Direct TV, or any company of that level.

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post #42 of 508
6/7/10 at 11:57am
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Anyway... Nice job Apple, though a larger display would have been better.

Its a phone the screen is the right size, if you want it bigger get an iPad.

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post #43 of 508
6/7/10 at 11:58am
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Free thought yes. Free speaking? Nope. He wants to speak, he can do it at his own show.

Whoa there! It's not like the guy was massively disruptive or anything. There was a down period in the demo. Also, the audience laughed with him.

Would you kick out the woman that shouted out "I love you Steve"?
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post #44 of 508
6/7/10 at 11:58am
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"When Jobs turned to Scott Forstall, senior vice president for iPhone software, for ideas, someone in the audience suggested they try the Verizon network."

I would have paid to hear that

It was a Wi-Fi problem. That comment made no sense.

Verizon would have been worse...Verizon max 3.1MB, slower than Wifi, slower than AT&T (7.2MB).
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post #45 of 508
6/7/10 at 12:01pm
Apple's US page hasn't updated yet... Japan is up and running...

http://www.apple.com/jp/iphone/

 

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post #46 of 508
6/7/10 at 12:03pm
All fantastic, except the memory. 64GB would have been nice.
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post #47 of 508
6/7/10 at 12:03pm
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Apple's US page hasn't updated yet... Japan is up and running...

http://www.apple.com/jp/iphone/

Apple US site updated!
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post #48 of 508
6/7/10 at 12:03pm
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It looks great.

I wonder if the gyro will be used to as much advantage as the compass and accelerometer? It looks totally cool.

I can't even imagine the cool stuff that will use the gyro at this point... an altimiter would've been a nice addition also, but I guess GPS data fills in there.

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post #49 of 508
6/7/10 at 12:06pm
at 1:49 it was stated that the iphone 4 would have "quad band HSDPA/HSUPA 7.2/5.8 up. 802.11 n WiFi", but given that the extant iphone supports TRI BAND UMTS/HSDPA (850, 1900, 2100 MHz); the question is by going from TRI to QUAD, what's the new/additional BAND?

the answer from the just this moment updated iphone 4 tech specs at http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html: 900MHZ (so that rules out north america t-mobile at 1700MHz):

* UMTS/HSDPA/HSUPA (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz)
* GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
* 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi (802.11n 2.4GHz only)
* Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR wireless technology

vs 3GS:

* UMTS/HSDPA (850, 1900, 2100 MHz)
* GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
* Wi-Fi (802.11b/g)
* Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR wireless technology
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post #50 of 508
6/7/10 at 12:07pm
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It was a Wi-Fi problem. That comment made no sense.

Verizon would have been worse...Verizon max 3.1MB, slower than Wifi, slower than AT&T (7.2MB).

In a way it does. If I read the live blogs right, the last thing he tried was to grab an AT&T 3G signal on his backup phone. Which proceeded to give him an error that it couldn't find a network signal. Hence the Verizon joke.
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post #51 of 508
6/7/10 at 12:09pm
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Video calling now a reality...wow FaceTime

I couldn't tell from the live blogging coverage but they said iPhone 4 to iPhone 4 no set up.

What identification do you use for calling since it is wifi only? I'm sure mobile me or Aol, standard iChat users but what is the numeric key pad for if it is wifi only?

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post #52 of 508
6/7/10 at 12:09pm
It's pretty good. I don't think it' that far advance that other phones coming out. But I'm sold, it IS gonna be the best phone available when it does come out. I'm grabbing one asap.

Take that BBM!
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post #53 of 508
6/7/10 at 12:09pm
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I would have kicked out the person who yelled that out and then banned who he is with.

Why in the world would you have done that to someone who is speaking the truth?
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post #54 of 508
6/7/10 at 12:10pm
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I can't even imagine the cool stuff that will use the gyro at this point... an altimiter would've been a nice addition also, but I guess GPS data fills in there.

I wish they would throw in an entire Kestrel 4500 weather meter.

 

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post #55 of 508
6/7/10 at 12:11pm
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I am really excited about it -- if it was onsale today (instead of June 24), I would go get it now. rright now. Just ditch the meeting I have in 7 min and go.

but it isn't, so I'm gonna whine about my one complaint:

only 32G. I waited 2 years and only am getting 32G. The touch has had 64G for a year; I'd cheerfully pay an extra $50 for 64G.

(grumble, grumble)

You mean 64GB of storage, right? That's the only shortfall as far as I'm concerned, and it's probably the only reason I'll hold off upgrading until my contract is up in mid-October. They've been known to introduce mid-stream memory upgrades for some products. I can put more storage to immediate use.

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post #56 of 508
6/7/10 at 12:11pm
The specs look impressive. I'll be pre-ordering on the 15th. The features I'm most likely to use will be the camera flash, the 720P video capability, and the multitasking while at the gym, when I get an SMS. My workout app currently requires me to relaunch it if I respond to an e-mail so that will be handy.

The current build doesn't have the Bing option, so I suppose that will be in the new developer build available today. I'll have to go download it just to see what other changes there are (and hopefully a fix for the 3G background feature missing).

I'm also liking the new slim factor. 9.3 mm thick which is really nice if you're like me and always just stuff it in your pocket.
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post #57 of 508
6/7/10 at 12:13pm
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In a way it does. If I read the live blogs right, the last thing he tried was to grab an AT&T 3G signal on his backup phone. Which proceeded to give him an error that it couldn't find a network signal. Hence the Verizon joke.

....and that's because there were a few thousand AT&T customers in one room.....and not a single Verizon one!
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post #58 of 508
6/7/10 at 12:14pm
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sorry, but a 2-axis gyro plus a 3-axis accelerometer does not equal a 6-axis sensor package, as this article claimed. I develop flight software around these sensors everyday. I also develop iPhone apps (ShatterBall, BalloonMaker) and I was REALLY hoping for a 6 degree of freedom sensor package.

What is a 6-axis sensor package (i.e., what are the 6 axis, and why is that different/better than a 3-axis, XYZ sensor package)?
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post #59 of 508
6/7/10 at 12:15pm
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It's pretty good. I don't think it' that far advance that other phones coming out. But I'm sold, it IS gonna be the best phone available when it does come out. I'm grabbing one asap.

Take that BBM!

The gyro may be a significant differentiator. The screen too. It looked very good, and may well be the best cellphone screen now available.

Battery life and the thin profile? Best in breed, or just very, very good?

I thought the new phone looked very impressive.
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post #60 of 508
6/7/10 at 12:16pm
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You mean 64GB of storage, right? That's the only shortfall as far as I'm concerned, and it's probably the only reason I'll hold off upgrading until my contract is up in mid-October. They've been known to introduce mid-stream memory upgrades for some products. I can put more storage to immediate use.

I'm still struggling to hit 16 GB of usage on my 32 GB 3GS. I have a few thousand tunes, and 5 or 6 full length movies that I've encoded, but I still haven't quite hit 16 GB utilization yet.

In any case, I'm not going to wait. The other 16 GB should be plenty for video recording, which is all I'm really seeing as requiring much storage.
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post #61 of 508
6/7/10 at 12:16pm
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I had a suspicion about the seams being for reception. It figures since IMHO Apple would not add such a visual break for the sake of design, so it had to have some kind of functional application for it. It's not their (current) design style.

Easy to say now...
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post #62 of 508
6/7/10 at 12:16pm
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Originally Posted by chronster View Post

The gyroscope, overall thinness of the device, and using the casing as the antenna, it all seems to be what sets this phone apart, but the way Jobs described this thing talking about how nothing on the market comes close, that's laughable.

Look, it's got all the latest and greatest (like a high res screen, 720 HD video recording, a front facing camera) but the evo can be directly compared to this thing.

It really irritates me when someone like Jobs or Ballmer acts like people don't know what else is on the market when they say there's nothing like their product.

Overall, this is a good evolution of the iphone. Still not as revolutionary as the first though.

And if it's already been asked or commented down thread I'll edit this off again.
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post #63 of 508
6/7/10 at 12:17pm
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The gyro may be a significant differentiator. The screen too. It looked very good, and may well be the best cellphone screen now available.

Battery life and the thin profile? Best in breed, or just very, very good?

I thought the new phone looked very impressive.

Did anyone notice the blacks on the new display? Seemed quite a bit blacker than the 3GS. Very curious to see the first hands on for these, although hopefully I'll already have one in my hands by then..lol
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post #64 of 508
6/7/10 at 12:17pm
I'm ready to order nowwwww!!!!
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post #65 of 508
6/7/10 at 12:20pm
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What is a 6-axis sensor package (i.e., what are the 6 axis, and why is that different/better than a 3-axis, XYZ sensor package)?

Could you, for example, construct a virtual room, and use a device so equipped to "look around" as though one were in the room and peering through a picture frame? Could you pan around Google Streetview in a similar manner?

This gyro sounds VERY interesting, and the demo looked great, but I really don't understand it or the implications of its inclusion.
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post #66 of 508
6/7/10 at 12:20pm
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OH, BTW... for those naysayers... It's too bad that the iPhone and the iPad don't have a "proper OS" that would allow the devices to be used for "content creation."

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post #67 of 508
6/7/10 at 12:20pm
Did they say if you can iPhone video chat with someone that is using iChat on a laptop or iMac?
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post #68 of 508
6/7/10 at 12:21pm
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... and where are all of those 'Apple would never design something that looks like that lost iPhone' naysayers from last month now?

Anyway... Nice job Apple, though a larger display would have been better.

they do have a larger display...it's called the iPad!
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post #69 of 508
6/7/10 at 12:22pm
I wanna know how much RAM it has. With the larger display, I don't want the iPhone 4 having page caching issues in Safari like the iPad with only 256MB RAM.
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post #70 of 508
6/7/10 at 12:23pm
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LOL Gyroscope. Nasa will soon be able to replace space shuttle avionics with an iPhone. Assuming there is an app for that.

or... more nefarious enterprises could make use of it
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post #71 of 508
6/7/10 at 12:24pm
Are you now suggesting that these other phone manufacturers are the game-changers?

Where Apple continue to excell is what Steve Jobs refer to as the meeting (or intersection) of "Technology and Liberal Arts" in the design and the conceptualization of Apple products, under the tutelage of Steve Jobs.

Achieving this requires subtlety and finesse, it requires a mindset the whole is not a simple summation of the parts (or as you love to call -- features). A flash of features with no unity is simply ostentatious.

Simplicity is virtue when the heart and soul of the creator comes forth.

You can experience this intersection of "Technology and Liberal Arts" if you are immersed in the Apple ecosystem. What is derided as the "walled garden" in the iOS ecosystem is actually one of the strengths of that ecosystem. The freedom from being exposed to limited risk of exposure to) spams and malwares encourages those who embrace the iOS ecosystem to venture. Thus, instead of being imprisoned, they discover new worlds beyond their horizon.

Sure there are limits, but any developer -- of any age and from all parts of the world -- with something to share will more than likely be allured by the vast target -- 100 million iOS devices.

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To be fair, there are a few things that have been shown that the competitors have already done. What Apple has done is polished it up and better integrated it to the OS. Not to say the iPhone 4 (now that we finally know the name ) doesn't have great specs, but wasn't anything there that made me look at my current phone in disgust. Difference of opinions in the end.

I am interested in the gyroscope though. Would have loved to see a live video of that demo in action.
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post #72 of 508
6/7/10 at 12:25pm
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Apple's US page hasn't updated yet... Japan is up and running...

http://www.apple.com/jp/iphone/

the USA site is up and running now. Very psyched!!!
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post #73 of 508
6/7/10 at 12:25pm
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What is a 6-axis sensor package (i.e., what are the 6 axis, and why is that different/better than a 3-axis, XYZ sensor package)?

Well, the 4th axis is time, and the other two take you off into alternate realities...

This is how the RDF is generated. Now you know.
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post #74 of 508
6/7/10 at 12:25pm
I want to know the amount of RAM too. I want 512, but since there was not mention of it, as there was no mention in the iPad intro, I'll bet it's exactly the same as the iPad - 256.

Hmmmmmmm........
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post #75 of 508
6/7/10 at 12:25pm
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I am really excited about it -- if it was onsale today (instead of June 24), I would go get it now. rright now. Just ditch the meeting I have in 7 min and go.

but it isn't, so I'm gonna whine about my one complaint:

only 32G. I waited 2 years and only am getting 32G. The touch has had 64G for a year; I'd cheerfully pay an extra $50 for 64G.

(grumble, grumble)


The only problem is that an extra 32GB of flash storage would cost about $60 before markup. Flash memory isn't cheap and prices have actually been flat/slightly rising for some time now, after a steep decline last year.
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post #76 of 508
6/7/10 at 12:25pm
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Did they say if you can iPhone video chat with someone that is using iChat on a laptop or iMac?

And what about FaceTime conference calls?? Can you get multiple video feeds of each person in the call?? :-)
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post #77 of 508
6/7/10 at 12:26pm
http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html
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post #78 of 508
6/7/10 at 12:27pm
Oh I'm impressed. I haven't seen the gyro yet. I'm very satisfied with the update. I wasn't impressed with the 3GS over the 3G, but I'm super impressed with the IP4 over the 3GS.
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The gyro may be a significant differentiator. The screen too. It looked very good, and may well be the best cellphone screen now available.

Battery life and the thin profile? Best in breed, or just very, very good?

I thought the new phone looked very impressive.
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post #79 of 508
6/7/10 at 12:28pm
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What is a 6-axis sensor package (i.e., what are the 6 axis, and why is that different/better than a 3-axis, XYZ sensor package)?

So it can work in outer space. I don't know good question. Maybe it provides more accuracy for gaming.

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post #80 of 508
6/7/10 at 12:29pm
The haters are steaming mad today.
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