Apple releases Safari 5 with extensions, expanded HTML5 support - Page 4

What does all that mean to humans, in English?

Doesn't really seem worthy of the 5.0 moniker to me, but then I don't visit very demanding websites.

At All Things D, Steve said HTML5 was on the way in and Flash on the way out. But maybe the whole WWW is on the way out.

I mean, just look how bad web pages look (and have always looked), compared to printed books. Awful layout, awful typography, widows and orphans everywhere. Things not lined up, gawdy ads, spelling mistakes. Amateur hour.

The whole web experience is crappy. Finally we have something better: iPad apps. So it's hard to get excited about a Safari release when I can't wait to close this ugly window and go back to an app.

Whenever you install new software and have to re boot everything seems to go faster and so it is with Safari 5. However, having used it for 30 mins and deliberately opened lots of other software its still going very fast, particularly with tabs.

Here's Safari 5 with today's nightlie (60820) on a newer MacPro.
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RESULTS (means and 95% confidence intervals)
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Total: 231.2ms +/- 0.6%
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3d: 31.1ms +/- 1.7%
cube: 11.8ms +/- 2.6%
morph: 9.0ms +/- 0.0%
raytrace: 10.3ms +/- 3.4%

access: 29.0ms +/- 1.6%
binary-trees: 3.2ms +/- 9.4%
fannkuch: 13.3ms +/- 2.6%
nbody: 7.8ms +/- 3.9%
nsieve: 4.7ms +/- 7.3%

bitops: 17.7ms +/- 3.3%
3bit-bits-in-byte: 2.1ms +/- 10.8%
bits-in-byte: 6.0ms +/- 0.0%
bitwise-and: 3.5ms +/- 10.8%
nsieve-bits: 6.1ms +/- 3.7%

controlflow: 2.3ms +/- 15.0%
recursive: 2.3ms +/- 15.0%

crypto: 14.6ms +/- 4.1%
aes: 8.4ms +/- 4.4%
md5: 3.4ms +/- 10.9%
sha1: 2.8ms +/- 10.8%

date: 27.3ms +/- 1.3%
format-tofte: 15.4ms +/- 2.4%
format-xparb: 11.9ms +/- 1.9%

math: 23.1ms +/- 1.8%
cordic: 6.8ms +/- 4.4%
partial-sums: 11.5ms +/- 3.3%
spectral-norm: 4.8ms +/- 6.3%

regexp: 11.9ms +/- 1.9%
dna: 11.9ms +/- 1.9%

string: 74.2ms +/- 1.0%
base64: 7.3ms +/- 4.7%
fasta: 12.4ms +/- 3.0%
tagcloud: 16.1ms +/- 1.4%
unpack-code: 26.3ms +/- 1.3%
validate-input: 12.1ms +/- 1.9%

Even though I run Mac Pro, Mini, white MacBook, MacBook Pro, G3 and G4 machines, Apple's mobile devices and hold Apple certifications... (Sorry, really hate bragging about my situation; I promise it was indeed really-really the last time I did that)

Safari's speed heavily depended on the size of its databases (top sites, bookmarks).

I had no time yet to test version 5.0 exhaustively enough, but at the first launch nothing told me they changed that somehow. The slowdown became apparent upon days and weeks of browsing.

I just noticed Apple didn't add the Full Page option to Safari 5, as rumoured. However, the Command+<click> option that was added to WebKit nightlies a couple months ago has been included.

This makes HTML5 video capable of going full screen, an issue that has been the Achille's heel of HTML5 video over Flash. Does anyone know if Firefox or IE9 is also including this feature or how it even works (presumably) in JS?

You can test it here » http://jilion.com/sublime/video



You have to set your USer Agent to Safari 4.1 to trick Netflix.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/h...x-in-safari-5/

It's the fastest release browser currently available. Not that it matters much. They are all so fast that your choice is best based on the features they offer.



It add a reader, extensions, and adds pretty much every HTML5 tag available. I can see a couple reasons why it's more than just a point update. It's not like an OS that gets an entirely new look. The content is the webpage.


What?! I spent the better part of yesterday looking at beautiful and clever layouts using HTML5, CSS and JS on Apple's site that are interactive and beautiful. Now look at some examples from 1996.

https://www.msu.edu/~karjalae/internet96.htm We've come a long, Baby! There are websites that mimic printed books, but that doesn't make sense. It's like every default OS calculator mimicking a physical calculator when that is less useful. It's pointless. The point is to enrich the experience, not try to mimic something else for no reason.

We are getting to a point that you won't be able to tell the difference between an iOS app and webcode expect for the speed of the transition. You can already save a webpage to your iPhone Home Page in v4.0 and it will not have the top or bottom top bars. Combine that with Apple's JS to replicate the look and feel of Xcode and you something that looks like Xcode, if not performs like it.

I wonder how long it will be before someone makes a hack that simply opens the Reader when a article link is clicked? No background or just blackens it out completely?

That would be the simple solution, as trying to block the ads is a constant cat and mouse game.

Guys, these tests are impressive, but there are many variables outside of the browser to consider, which is why the test needs to be compared to other browsers. Hence the option in Sunspider to compare to results side-by-side. WIthout posting other browser results it's a pointless as your machine and internet connection can affect the tests.

Sunspider isn't the only test out there. SInce it's developed and maintained by WebKit, for the sake of being unbaised it's good to include other JS tests, too.

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V8 JavaScript test
• Dromaeo JavaScript test Here is an image showing the comparative results of browsers. Anyone want to run all the possible browsers on their Mac or Windows machine to see how things have changed?

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http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/be...r/Default.html (image) Check out mrpiddy's post from Page 2 of this thread as an example.

You should give Firefox a download and cruise the themes, personas and extensions just for the heck of it.

I used to think I didn't have a use for them, until I started messing around, now I can't see how one can't live without them. It just breathes new life in your browser.

Here's some good add-ons to save yourself trouble.

1-Click YouTube Video Downloader
Ad Blocker Plus (can whitelist your favorite sites)
BetterPrivacy (deletes Flash cookies used to track, Safari doesn't)
Clipple (extended clipboard)
Colorful Tabs (useful for a lot of open tabs)
CoolIris (wow!)
Download Status Bar
FastestFox (all Google results on one long page)
Fission (Safari style address bar status)
Flagfox (shows the country of the site your visiting)
Ghostery (blocks web bugs trackers)
Lazarus (form recovery)
Low Quality Flash
Morning Coffee (one click loads your favorite sites for the day)
NoScript (your web cop, malicious behavior and scripts firewall)
NoSquint (remembers your zoom level per site)
OptimizeGoogle
RequestPolicy (control cross-site requests)
SmoothWheel (smoothscrolling)
SplitBrowser (compare two or more sites easily and quickly)
TrackMeNot (randomizes searches to thwart data miners)
TV-Fox
WOT (community based trust alerts of sites)


Thousands of more depending upon your needs.

http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/personal.html

Reader OK, Readability better.

http://lab.arc90.com/experiments/readability/

Safari 5 is not performing for me any faster than Safari 4. I am still with Leopard until 10.7 shows up. Don't care for anything in SL and don't use it.

I'm a bit bored, so

On a MacBook from early 2008, with 2,4GHz Penryn processor and 4GB RAM:

V8 test (bigger is better):

Safari 5: 2591
Google Chrome 5.0.375.55: 4910
Firefox 3.6.3: 399
Latest Webkit Nightly: 2801

Sunspider test (smaller is better):

Safari 5: 372.6ms +/- 6.0%
Google Chrome 5.0.375.55: 406.0ms +/- 6.3%
Firefox 3.6.3: 961.6ms +/- 1.7%
Latest Webkit Nightly: 395.8ms +/- 8.3% (and it didn't show the text while running...)

MacPro 4,1 8GB RAM. All four apps were open on the SunSpider page at the the same time.

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Safari 5.0 (Webkit) 60820
226.6ms +/- 0.7%
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Chrome 5.0.375.55
264.9ms +/- 0.8%
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Opera 10.53. 8343
317.5ms +/- 0.9%
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Firefox 3.6.4
743.6ms +/- 4.1%

I have to question Google's V8 test. The other browser makers seem to use SunSpider, even MS when testing IE, and the V8 tests always makes Nitro in WebKit seem excessively slow. I have to wonder if their test is fair.

it's a test. browser vendors can tweak to only one test, or they can look at a broad range of tests. What would give you the best real world results? One test, or many? Googles tests exist for a reason.

In my sunspider tests, safari ran 20ms slower than chrome but that's so fast that it's pointless to even compare. you'd never in a million years be able to tell a 20ms difference in a page load. You'd have to load the whole test 100 times over on the same page to make it even noticeable.

I agree that more tests are better, as I noted in an earlier post, but I still have to wonder if Google's is slanted in a way that doesn't favour the real world, but instead their JS engine.


Even with Firefox trailing behind so far (right now) I still say the best browser is the one you prefer. It's more than just a slight edge on a JS engine. There are other engines and the app speed itself, along with its features that need to be considered.

For Mac I use Safari. For Windows I use IE with the Chrome Frame plug-in set to default. This gives me the best of both worlds, IMO, as I prefer the interconnectedness of the native browser app to the OS and the increased battery time when using a notebook.

This loads like 1984!
Dial up was faster?
Where are the pics?
Spinning spinning spinning.
And it took hours to get to the download?

CLOGGED LIKE A TOILET

Any test produced by a browser vendor should be automatically eliminated from consideration.

Oops...
There're 2 (two) embedded videos in the article body.
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Where's your momma gone
Where's your momma gone
Far far away
Where's your poppa gone
Where's your poppa gone
Little baby bird
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Now it's taking over two minutes to load AppleInsider's front page with Safari 5. WTF is going on!? Should I run the Java update installer again? Flash Plug-in?
Firefox loads in an instant

Suffice it to say it does not take two minutes to load AppleInsider's front page for most users including me. In fact, it is faster than ever for me. As for Flash, I recommend the most recent version of the plug-in if you don't have it already. However, I don't think Flash is the source of your problems. It is also extremely unlikely that Java has suddenly gone awry. The most likely source of Safari problems is user-installed haxies. Disable any that you have installed. See how it goes.

Ditto. Safari 5 is all of that and it crashes my Apple wifi router so nothing can work on the network until I reset it. I can barely get a page or two half loaded then zilch. That's on Snow Leopard with a 2,1 1GB ram Mac Mini with the Apple router.

This is the first site I've found detailing the new Extensions in Safari 5.

http://safariextensions.tumblr.com/
I was mistaken. These extensions can be added to the Safari app itself and be more than just clever webcode.

What Your Extension Can Do
Safari extensions let you add persistent items to Safari, such as controls, local or web-based content, and scripts that modify web-based content.

• You can create controls by adding buttons to the Safari toolbar, adding contextual menu items, creating extension bars, or injecting controls into webpages.
• You can display HTML content in an extension bar, in its own window or tab, or inject it into webpages.
• Your extension can run invisibly in the background.
• You can modify and reformat web content by applying scripts and stylesheets.
• Your scripts and stylesheets can be applied either universally or selectively, using whitelists and blacklists of URL patterns to determine which web pages they should be applied to.

http://developer.apple.com/safari/li...roduction.html

Shitty ISP I'd bet. Did you download a torrent within the last day, or are you currently?

Three things:

1. Readability is not better. Try visit this Ars review. When it loads view in Readability. Then go back and try it in Safari Reader. One glaring difference you'll notice is Safari loads 'all" 18 pages of the review, Readability doesn't. Same goes for Instapaper. This is a big deal.

2. It is faster than Safari 4.

3. Get SL.

Brilliant find, Ireland! That puts it world above those other two products. I can see this coming to, at least, the iPad in iOS v4.0.

Safari currently has a known bug (this was explained to me by AppleCare). It currently does not support 3-finger up/down swipes for web pages. They have no solution at this time.

your browser scores
208
AND 7 BONUS POINTS
out of a total of 300 points

About: Version 5.0 (6533.16)

Erh? ( http://html5test.com/ )

RIP PimpMySafari

http://pimpmysafari.com/

This:

... is what I've been waiting for so I can finally ditch the ghetto that is Firefox for good.

I don't like the tabs on top like Chrome, plus in the new Safari you can toggle your bookmark bar and get more space on top than with Chrome. I guess it would be nice to have a choice, but I prefer it the way it is.


I am watching Netflix streaming on Safari right now as I type this, I haven't changed my user agent as far as I know, just downloaded Safari 5 and it works fine.


It is not what you *USE* in Snow Leopard that matters, it is a rewrite of the core code that is more efficient and with less issues, that matters. Just get it, for $29 there is no excuse not too, unless you like having your computer run slower and be more buggy. I have it on my Mac Pro (came that way) and upgraded my MacBook Pro and Mac Mini, the performance boost was quite noticeable. There are minor visual upgrades in some apps, but the system runs so much better.

Even with the bookmark bars, tabs and toolbar present on each Safari uses slightly less space than Chrome. However, with the tabs on top it used even less. I loved it! I don't think anyone thinks it should be the only option, but I surely would like it to return as an option, even if it is hidden.

Nice! There is already an extension that will force YouTube using HTML5 video to use the WebKit API webkitEnterFullScreen() to force this action.

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http://www.cyberhq.nl/2010/06/08/res...l5-player.html This one thing was keeping me from switching from Flash to HTML5 video on YouTube as they didn't offer a way to go Full Screen using HTML5.

However, as noted in the link below there are genuine security concerns about going fullscreen with that command in HMTL over letting the browser app have a button and the user click a button to initiate the fullscreen mode.

Here is more info on the API:

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http://ajaxian.com/archives/fullscre...wsers-near-you

There are some great extensions coming out already. The only one I am waiting on is AdBlock to be released, then I can dump SIMBL.

The link that solipsism posted (http://safariextensions.tumblr.com/) is a great resource. Also, it looks like Apple will have an official directory sometime in the near future.

Safari 5 has turned out to be a really solid release.

I'd recommend to use the beta version instead. Among other things non-specified parts (like H.264 and Theora) have been moved to being optional instead of contributing to the final score.

EDIT: Oops, seems like my information is a bit outdated. The author moved the new version out of beta yesterday.

Using the XP version now.

--Noticeably faster
--I've had one crash already
--I've experienced some latency issues, but I'm sure that's my school network. It's been acting oddly this week.

I don't think Microsoft has bad programmers or anyone asleep at the switch -- they've got 3 massive problems in my mind;

1) Lots of legacy code that cannot be removed -- merely patched, because sometimes the bugs are depended on. Since IE was designed to be part of the OS when it didn't need to be, and then was made independent, and was designed to embrace and extend and then distort standards due to marketing strategies -- it's a Rube Goldberg mess.

2) As companies get older, and you get Stock-based millionaires at the company -- things get political. So you are looking for your division to stand out regardless of the overall needs of the company. Steve Jobs seems to have trimmed the fat and gotten Apple developers ON A MISSION -- but that's an absolute rare event at a large corporation.

Bigger companies favor mediocre people who are good at filling out forms and handling bureaucracy -- and they crush the dreams of entrepreneurial genius. That's why most of Microsoft's innovations are from small "think tanks" or acquired companies -- but that's true of a lot of huge corporations.

3) Microsofts success hinders them -- kind of like legacy code. They can't go to a purely standards based platform, because much of the dependency and UTILITY of IE is compatibility with the crap they created. If IE improves too much -- it isn't necessary.

Improvements:
Safari still needs to store passwords AFTER you've successfully logged in. Or at least be smart enough to know that a login failed and NOT store that password attempt.

The Block pop-ups needs to have a white list -- in fact, everything needs to have an accessible button to whitelist or "use dummy data" for a website you are browsing.

There needs to be a "see what this page can know about me" screen. It think it's vital for all browsers. You might block a cookie, but run a flash file, or have history data -- there ought to be a pop-up page you can choose to view, that shows you ALL of the data a tricky Javascript or some server can figure out when you visit. Then some way to manage and tweak things like "looking at browser history that is NOT part of the visited URL."

They need to release some VIEWER or de-archive utility for the average user who saves a .webarchive (I can open them up, and they use a SQL database structure for their cache - but this is not user friendly).

FireFox is awesome for debugging pages -- that's the main time I open it up. I'm hoping with Apple's HTML5, their iAD js libraries and other initiatives -- they come up with a great debugger and "step through code/html" tool very soon. Make the tool scriptable itself with Javascript and have hooks to integrate Python (and maybe PHP) as well.

Using Safari 5 today -- no problems so far.

I've added about 14 Extensions -- really great that they are just zip files containing CSS and Javascript. I expect the Extension market for Safari to explode -- because it's easy, and it's just a skip and jump from the iAD and iOS market.

They are looking immediately useful -- so I won't have FireFox envy for too long. Let's hope something like Firebug migrates but I'm checking out Webla right now!

Pretty cool -- Apple is really hitting on all cylinders.

>> Update -- I think the Safari extensions should be able to deal with all these shortcomings -- it seems Apple is exposing HOW Safari processes the page to the extension developer. So Apple just needs to keep improving and SIMPLIFYING the core of webkit rather than adding features -- it's a much better way to do it -- create a great platform and let developers and even users create the features.

I like this WAY of things rather than cloud computing or "web-based apps." No, give me apps I control that can use web standards -- don't take me to someone's server where I have to "just trust them."