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post #41 of 185
Safari 5 just hit my software updater...
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post #42 of 185
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Originally Posted by sheff View Post

Just tested it out. No tabs on top ...

Thank god!
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Originally Posted by 8CoreWhore View Post

"Released"?

I've got it purring on my 10.5.8 Powerbook.
post #44 of 185
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Originally Posted by sheff View Post

137 on latest webkit compared to 142 for chrome (plus ogg and acc support for chrome).

It would be higher if it had OGG/MP3 support, but then again Video source is the actual test, not the script where the designer of HTML5Test decided to include what types of video containers it has as part of the overall score.
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the reader mode is interesting.

I have to admit, I like it. Clutter free. Does need video support, though.
post #46 of 185
Flash 10.1 beta and/or Click2Flash is causing Safari 5 to crash continuously for me; at least when I go to the AT&T iPhone page which has a central Flash content element (oh, the irony!)

UPDATE: Turns out it is another plugin (SplashID) which among other things requires Safari to be run in 32-bit mode. Once I removed the plugin and switched Safari 5 to 64-bit, there has been no problems w/ Flash pages, so far.

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Thank god!

Waaaahh? At least give me a choice, I don't like part of my screen to disappear for tabs.
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post #48 of 185
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

136/160 on http://html5test.com/

*Still no MP3 or AAC codec support in the browser (obviously not Ogg Vorbis, either)
*GeoLocation has been added

It looks like Safari included all the HTML5 forms elements except Autocomplete:

http://www.findmebyip.com/

143/160 here... Safari 5 on Snow Leopard...
post #49 of 185
Cripes! Safari 5 is really, terribly slow on my MacPro. Pages that were opening in split-seconds with 4.0.5 only a few minutes ago are now taking several seconds with the update. Something is very wrong.
post #50 of 185
i guess some people will be happy to have the old progress bar style back
strange it is not sold as a feature
post #51 of 185
Sunspider on 10.6 if anyone is interested:

Safari 5: 295.8ms +/- 0.8%
Chrome 5: 337.8ms +/- 2.6%


No WebGL even though it has been in webkit for a while.
post #52 of 185
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Waaaahh? At least give me a choice, I don't like part of my screen to disappear for tabs.

I agree. Give me the choice. I like them better on top. More usable and more options.
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post #53 of 185
'Reader' is excellent.

Ugly same Top Sites UI is not. Subtle, with white background, Apple. Think Genius Mixes in iTunes.
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post #54 of 185
Anybody know if it still plays with PithHelmet?
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137 on latest webkit (progress element added) compared to 142 for chrome (plus ogg and aac support for chrome).

Ogg Theora is worth 5 points and each of the Mp3, Ogg Vorbis and AAC are worth 2 points each. We kow Apple won't support any Ogg codecs and it seems none of the other audio codecs are getting love. Their reasoning likely has to do with the OS or QT handling them better, but who knows, maybe the test is bad.

Here are the all tests that they don't pass...
  • Video (Safari 5 doesn't support this, but Chrome 5 does)
  • Ogg Theora codec support

    Audio (Safari 5 doesn't support these, but Chrome 5 does)
  • MP3 codec support
  • Ogg Vorbis codec support
  • AAC codec support

    Text-level semantic elements
  • time element

    Forms
  • autocomplete input attribute
  • list input attribute (Chrome 5 doesn't support this, but Safari 5 does)
  • keygen element
  • output element
  • progress element
  • meter element

    User interaction
  • hidden attribute
  • Undo manager



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Originally Posted by Lorre View Post

143/160 here... Safari 5 on Snow Leopard...

What extra test(s) is it passing?
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post #56 of 185
Bing is now listed as a choice under the "Default search engine" setting.

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post #57 of 185
Holy crap, this is fast (is it the DNS prefetching that is speeding things up?)! And the progress bar is back.

Great update.
post #58 of 185
I am glad to see the blue progress bar's return. Seems slower though. Also Reader is not available in 10.5.8.
post #59 of 185
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Originally Posted by Thataboy View Post

Holy crap, this is fast (is it the DNS prefetching that is speeding things up?)! And the progress bar is back.

Great update.

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I am glad to see the blue progress bar's return. Seems slower though. Also Reader is not available in 10.5.8.

Progress bar has always been a PLIST option.
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post #60 of 185
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Progress bar has always been a PLIST option.

Gold is avail, so is iTunes 9.2 and iAdjSDeveloper
post #61 of 185
Um ... PLIST? What Dat?

With Leopard, 138 / 160.
post #62 of 185
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

[INDENT]• 136/160 on http://html5test.com/...

It's worth mentioning that this is a biased site however. It gives Safari poor marks for not supporting Ogg Theora in video and audio, when in fact it's not required to support those to be 100% compliant with HTML5.

It's more of a handy HTML5 support checklist (because you need to support some video and audio codecs even though they aren't in the spec), than it is a "test" of HTML5 compatibility.

Edit: it would also seem there are lots of HTML5 elements not listed.
post #63 of 185
heck, it feels fast even on a Windows machine... way to go Apple!

Hope there will be some firefox-ish add-ons coming our way...
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post #64 of 185
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Originally Posted by WPLJ42 View Post

I am glad to see the blue progress bar's return. Seems slower though. Also Reader is not available in 10.5.8.

Seems smoking faster to me. Very noticeably faster.
post #65 of 185
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And you **NEED** a Google UK search why exactly?

To have LESS features on the landing google page than the american version?

Or in the misguided opinion that the searches include more regional content for the UK?

I believe the word you are looking for is 'Fewer' as in 'lesser in number'...not 'less'.

Ranks up there with the 'loose' vs. 'lose' mistake.
post #66 of 185
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

It's worth mentioning that this is a biased site however. It gives Safari poor marks for not supporting Ogg Theora in video and audio, when in fact it's not required to support those to be 100% compliant with HTML5.

It's more of a handy HTML5 support checklist (because you need to support some video and audio codecs even though they aren't in the spec), than it is a "test" of HTML5 compatibility.

Edit: it would also seem there are lots of HTML5 elements not listed.

Excluding the optional codec support Safari 5 appears to be more compliant than Chrome 5 and faster. Adding Extensions and being native to OS X should help.

Not that I care since WebKit is already popular enough that developers are no longer ignoring it.
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post #67 of 185
I don't notice any speed increase, though I have a fast connection, so pages load in a blink anyway.
No crashes, but I don't use 3rd party add ons.
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Hope there will be some firefox-ish add-ons coming our way...

Probably not.

Safari 5 is nice, but it seems so bare next to a themed and tricked out Firefox.

I guess I'll use it when I feel like I'm overwhelmed with choice and control.
post #70 of 185
Just downloaded it, and I have to say that I love the new reader feature.

Safari also seems a lot faster and for some reason pages use to hang up on me, they would not load, had to keep on hitting refresh, and now everything loads really fast. Love it, good job apple
post #71 of 185

It seems Panic's 'Coda Notes' Safari Extension might just be the first Safari Extension - They just demo'd it on stage at WWDC'10.
post #72 of 185
I'll eat Kasper's shorts if Safari Reader isn't destined for your TV screen! lol
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post #73 of 185
heads up - reader is sweet!
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Cripes! Safari 5 is really, terribly slow on my MacPro. Pages that were opening in split-seconds with 4.0.5 only a few minutes ago are now taking several seconds with the update. Something is very wrong.

Something is very wrong with YOUR setup. Safari 5 is blazing fast on my iMac 3.06 dualie in Snow Leopard. Go clean your "house."

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post #75 of 185
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I'll eat Kasper's shorts if Safari Reader isn't destined for your TV screen! lol

Yep, sure looks so. And with the rumored 'Magic trackpad', Apple TV may be something.
post #76 of 185
Safari Reader is great! I've always hated trying to read articles while being distracted by all the hoaky blinking, flashing, squirming ads. Nice to be able to make the type larger and perhaps email just the article and not just a link to the page.

So far, Safari 5 seems quite peppy, too!

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post #77 of 185
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Originally Posted by Eriamjh View Post

Methinks Safari 5 is slower than Apple's press announcements.

It's really fast!!

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post #78 of 185
Panic is developing an extension for Coda: http://www.panic.com/blog

I would really love to see these features added on mobile Safari for the iPad.
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Panic is developing an extension for Coda: http://www.panic.com/blog
I would really love to see these features added on mobile Safari for the iPad.

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It seems Panic's 'Coda Notes' Safari Extension might just be the first Safari Extension - They just demo'd it on stage at WWDC'10.

Safari will be looked at in a different way, for sure. Extensions had to be inevitable as the competition (Firefox and Chrome) have had them for a while.
I'm glad Safari opens up now to new possibilities.
post #80 of 185
It's noticeably faster on my 2006 Macbook (Black). The older Safari 4 used to make me cringe whenever I asked it to open a new tab...slow slow slow! Now it purrs like a kitten, er... Snow Leopard.

Great update.
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