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post #81 of 185
6/7/10 at 7:21pm
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I thought the iPhone was quite a spectacular announcement. The iPhone is now one seriously polished product. Crossed all the boxes and a gyroscope ta boot. Should shut the whiners up for 5 minutes.

Nope. Android trolls are screaming about the bezel now. It uses up 46% more bezel space than other phones.
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post #82 of 185
6/7/10 at 7:24pm
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Originally Posted by el-extranjero View Post

Safari will be looked at in a different way, for sure. Extensions had to be inevitable as the competition (Firefox and Chrome) have had them for a while.
I'm glad Safari opens up now to new possibilities.

These extensions seem very different than Firefox and Chrome. They can only use HTML5, CSS3, and JS. They seem more like Dashboard Widgets for Safari than plug-ins for your browser.
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post #83 of 185
6/7/10 at 7:27pm
so anyone complaining it's slowed down on Intel hardware are full of crap and need to check out their personal Library with whatever junk they've added in there that might be incompatible.
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post #84 of 185
6/7/10 at 7:31pm
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post

so anyone complaining it's slowed down on Intel hardware are full of crap and need to check out their personal Library with whatever junk they've added in there that might be incompatible.

Seems about the same speed for me. Then again, I try not to make it a habit to use an atomic clock to see if it's the next version is actually faster.

I have to really say I'm impressed with the reader feature.

As for the extensions, meh. Can't really see me having any real need for them.
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post #85 of 185
6/7/10 at 7:35pm
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Originally Posted by WPLJ42 View Post

I am glad to see the blue progress bar's return. Seems slower though. Also Reader is not available in 10.5.8.

Actually, it is.

But Reader only works once a page is fully loaded. And, even then, it only works on some pages with ads, etc.
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post #86 of 185
6/7/10 at 7:36pm
Safari 5 loads AppleInsider.com a lot better than Safari 4. With Safari 4, my MacBook's CPUs would meltdown immediately.
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post #87 of 185
6/7/10 at 7:39pm
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Originally Posted by christopher126 View Post

Makes me think, what are all the IE programmers doing at MS? Sleeping?

Have you seen the IE9 preview? The IE devs are more on track than they have ever been in the past. They are focusing on hardware acceleration which is exactly where they should be looking.

We are very close to being at a point when JavaScript speed tests won't mean jack. If HTML5 is ever going to replace Flash then GPU acceleration is the key.

Of course Apple/Google/Mozilla/Opera know this as well and are all at various stages of adding GPU acceleration, and they will probably all be to market before IE9, but it's not like the IE devs are sitting around doing nothing.

I'd love if someone could run the demos below in Safari 5 as I won't get a chance to install and test it for a few days. The IE9 preview never drops below 60fps on my PC.

Browser Flip

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post #88 of 185
6/7/10 at 7:41pm
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Originally Posted by mrpiddly View Post

Sunspider on 10.6 if anyone is interested:

Safari 5: 295.8ms +/- 0.8%
Chrome 5: 337.8ms +/- 2.6%


No WebGL even though it has been in webkit for a while.

WebGL is more influx than HTML 5 and considering Apple is the Editor of WebGL via Chris Marrin I think they know how far along it has come.

There is a lot of documentation missing from the Draft Specification.

I'd love to have it ready for prime time, but as you said, we can always test code and write against WebKit Nightly until the time comes for another point release to see WebGL ready fro prime time.
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post #89 of 185
6/7/10 at 7:47pm
I doubt WebGL is ready yet. When its mixed with Canvass and CSS3. That's when Adobe will really be sweating.

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No WebGL even though it has been in webkit for a while.
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post #90 of 185
6/7/10 at 7:52pm
Hmmm... I think I will like reader. Its something that I did not realize was missing. But I like it.
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post #91 of 185
6/7/10 at 7:53pm
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Originally Posted by Firefly7475 View Post

Have you seen the IE9 preview? The IE devs are more on track than they have ever been in the past. They are focusing on hardware acceleration which is exactly where they should be looking.

We are very close to being at a point when JavaScript speed tests won't mean jack. If HTML5 is ever going to replace Flash then GPU acceleration is the key.

Of course Apple/Google/Mozilla/Opera know this as well and are all at various stages of adding GPU acceleration, and they will probably all be to market before IE9, but it's not like the IE devs are sitting around doing nothing.

I'd love if someone could run the demos below in Safari 5 as I won't get a chance to install and test it for a few days. The IE9 preview never drops below 60fps on my PC.

Browser Flip

Flying Images

I'm getting 60fps on both of them, but they do drop down below 60fps. I'd say I have an average of 58fps on the first test and 55fps on the second test. Strangely, I tested this in Chrome 5 and they both drop to 5fps — yeah, five fps — or below.
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post #92 of 185
6/7/10 at 7:59pm
Awesome! I got just about every item on my wish list for Safari. I may dump Firefox yet. Maybe not yet.
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post #93 of 185
6/7/10 at 8:10pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

These extensions seem very different than Firefox and Chrome. They can only use HTML5, CSS3, and JS. They seem more like Dashboard Widgets for Safari than plug-ins for your browser.

Yes they seem to be more like widgets. I guess this is Apple's way of opening up Safari.
Nevertheless, new possibilities.
Unfortunately, It seems stuff like Inquisitor will still not be part of this "extensions" program.
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post #94 of 185
6/7/10 at 8:16pm
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Originally Posted by patrickwalker View Post

Nope. Android trolls are screaming about the bezel now. It uses up 46% more bezel space than other phones.

When they are whining about the bezel you know they really have nothing to say.
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post #95 of 185
6/7/10 at 8:24pm
Macbook Pro i7 with 8 gigs ram. Took Safari 5 on a little trip to the Apple site to view the FaceTime video. Got about 5 seconds of video followed by a freeze frame and beach ball for 20 seconds. Then the video zoomed forward super fast to where it would have been after 20 seconds. Then it beachballed again. Reloaded the page and it played fine. Similar issues with the iPhone 4 video.

Not impressed. Can I have Safari 4 back now please?
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post #96 of 185
6/7/10 at 8:51pm
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Originally Posted by WelshDog View Post

Macbook Pro i7 with 8 gigs ram. Took Safari 5 on a little trip to the Apple site to view the FaceTime video. Got about 5 seconds of video followed by a freeze frame and beach ball for 20 seconds. Then the video zoomed forward super fast to where it would have been after 20 seconds. Then it beachballed again. Reloaded the page and it played fine. Similar issues with the iPhone 4 video.

Not impressed. Can I have Safari 4 back now please?

That's pretty sad. My machine pales in comparison to yours and it handled the video like a champ.
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post #97 of 185
6/7/10 at 8:55pm
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When they are whining about the bezel you know they really have nothing to say.

They're still fun to watch, though.
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post #98 of 185
6/7/10 at 9:18pm
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Originally Posted by el-extranjero View Post

Yes they're see to be more like widgets. I guess this is Apple's way of opening up Safari.
Nevertheless, new possibilities.
Unfortunately, It seems stuff like Inquisitor will still not be part of this "extensions" program.

You can always do a plug-in like ClickToFlash or 1Password does. Or even get heavy handed like PithHelmet, but that often means you can't update your browser as often.


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Nope. Android trolls are screaming about the bezel now. It uses up 46% more bezel space than other phones.

When they are whining about the bezel you know they really have nothing to say.

What's this about the bezel?
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post #99 of 185
6/7/10 at 9:24pm
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Originally Posted by sheff View Post

Did we gain tabs on top? When can we download this thing?

no tabs on top for me please, if I need extra screen I go full screen using glims.

Glims & click2flash still work, yeah!!
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post #100 of 185
6/7/10 at 10:03pm
Wow! Webpages loading blazingly fast in WebKit nightly now after downloading Safari 5. Amazing!
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post #101 of 185
6/7/10 at 10:06pm
CosmoPod may create compatibility problems.
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post #102 of 185
6/7/10 at 10:07pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

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No extensions as of yet to test, but I doubt I'll use them..

the only thing that I might is ad blocker and perhaps a streaming video catcher. I use those two on firefox a lot.
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post #103 of 185
6/7/10 at 10:54pm
Using Safari 5 with Bing on trial! I don't use Chrome....

Reader is great if I might add! Just what I thought but sadly, ads are still running in the background!
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post #104 of 185
6/7/10 at 11:00pm
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Originally Posted by Firefly7475 View Post

Have you seen the IE9 preview? The IE devs are more on track than they have ever been in the past. They are focusing on hardware acceleration which is exactly where they should be looking.

We are very close to being at a point when JavaScript speed tests won't mean jack. If HTML5 is ever going to replace Flash then GPU acceleration is the key.

Of course Apple/Google/Mozilla/Opera know this as well and are all at various stages of adding GPU acceleration, and they will probably all be to market before IE9, but it's not like the IE devs are sitting around doing nothing.

I'd love if someone could run the demos below in Safari 5 as I won't get a chance to install and test it for a few days. The IE9 preview never drops below 60fps on my PC.

Browser Flip

Flying Images

I'm getting 60fps on both of them, but they do drop down below 60fps. I'd say I have an average of 58fps on the first test and 55fps on the second test. Strangely, I tested this in Chrome 5 and they both drop to 5fps yeah, five fps or below.

Sweet! I would say that means Safari 5 is currently the fastest browser for HTML5 rich websites!

I think we should expect to see more articles and demo pages on this in the coming months. The speed a browser can execute JavaScript has reached a point that it simply doesn't matter any more. GPU acceleration is the new "fastest browser" frontier!


Try the FlickrExplorer as well. Wait until everything is loaded and zoom in\\out by clicking. This is the only demo that really slows down Opera (about 30fps in parts). IE9 is still running at close to 60fps. In Chrome and Firefox I actually say 1fps at points.
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post #105 of 185
6/8/10 at 12:40am
Reader is going to make my life much easier, especially for work. Kinda curious how it works though.
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post #106 of 185
6/8/10 at 1:13am
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Originally Posted by WPLJ42 View Post

I am glad to see the blue progress bar's return. Seems slower though. Also Reader is not available in 10.5.8.

I can confirm reader is there under 10.5.8
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post #107 of 185
6/8/10 at 1:28am
Failed to figure out your reader feature, Apple.

Impressing kiddies with how easy you generate PDF on the fly is OK, but why lose so helplessly text/images flow layout of pages which belong to others?
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post #108 of 185
6/8/10 at 2:03am
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Ogg Theora is worth 5 points and each of the Mp3, Ogg Vorbis and AAC are worth 2 points each. We kow Apple won't support any Ogg codecs and it seems none of the other audio codecs are getting love. Their reasoning likely has to do with the OS or QT handling them better, but who knows, maybe the test is bad.

Here are the all tests that they don't pass...
  • Video (Safari 5 doesn't support this, but Chrome 5 does)
  • Ogg Theora codec support

    Audio (Safari 5 doesn't support these, but Chrome 5 does)
  • MP3 codec support
  • Ogg Vorbis codec support
  • AAC codec support

    Text-level semantic elements
  • time element

    Forms
  • autocomplete input attribute
  • list input attribute (Chrome 5 doesn't support this, but Safari 5 does)
  • keygen element
  • output element
  • progress element
  • meter element

    User interaction
  • hidden attribute
  • Undo manager




What extra test(s) is it passing?

I do have Ogg Theora and Ogg Vorbis support according to that website. Perian magic?
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post #109 of 185
6/8/10 at 2:06am
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Originally Posted by Bloodshotrollin'red View Post

Cripes! Safari 5 is really, terribly slow on my MacPro. Pages that were opening in split-seconds with 4.0.5 only a few minutes ago are now taking several seconds with the update. Something is very wrong.

You've just rebooted. Memory caching is happening again.
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post #110 of 185
6/8/10 at 2:07am
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I do have Ogg Theora and Ogg Vorbis support according to that website. Perian magic?

You probably have the Ogg plugin installed. Adds about 7 to the score. I don't know why it says AAC and MP3 aren't supported. Perhaps because they're handled by quicktime.
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post #111 of 185
6/8/10 at 3:08am
The Reader functionality is great, but it's a real shame it doesn't work on AppleInsider itself!

I wonder if Apple has some guidelines for HTML developers to assist the feature?
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post #112 of 185
6/8/10 at 3:31am
As soon as AdBlock Plus and NoScript extensions are available, it's bye bye Firefox!!!
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post #113 of 185
6/8/10 at 4:06am
It's pretty fast from my Win7 notebook, much faster than FF. My new favorite browser.

Still use FF for a lot of thing though since unlike FF, I'm pretty sure it won't save tabs when I quit.

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post #114 of 185
6/8/10 at 4:22am
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Originally Posted by Hattig View Post

The Reader functionality is great, but it's a real shame it doesn't work on AppleInsider itself!

I wonder if Apple has some guidelines for HTML developers to assist the feature?

It works with articles on AppleInsider here. The reader button appears only when the page is almost fully loaded.
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post #115 of 185
6/8/10 at 4:35am
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Originally Posted by patrickwalker View Post

Nope. Android trolls are screaming about the bezel now. It uses up 46% more bezel space than other phones.

LOL

Take away their favorite multi-tasking gripe... Flash is a non-issue, since it doesn't run on 'droid phones either... and all they've got left to whine about are design quibbles.

Apple seems to have taken away their entire reason for existence.


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post #116 of 185
6/8/10 at 4:35am
Forget all the new features for a second ... Safari 5 has something else going for it.

Although I use a Mac Pro 8 core, MacBook and all the latest toys I also use an old iBook G4 a lot for web surfing to test web sites across the range of hardware and well, I just like it. It has 512 MB and runs OS X 10.5.8.

Ever since Safari 4+ web reading has been a real pain on the iBook. The poor thing's hard drive never stopped accessing when on the likes of CNN's web site. Even with Click4Flash the fan soon was on and it got hotter than hell. I suspected it was about time to lay it to rest.

Enter Safari 5 last night...

The iBook is silent, it seems to hardly ever access the drive, it is lighting fast (dare I say very snappy) and plays videos again (it was too slow to even try). It is like a new computer! I haven't had much time to test on higher end and newer Macs but this little machine is the 'Mac that could' again! Thank you Apple
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post #117 of 185
6/8/10 at 4:40am
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Originally Posted by hezetation View Post

no tabs on top for me please, if I need extra screen I go full screen using glims.

Glims & click2flash still work, yeah!!

Glims works? Cool. I was holding off installing for that.
1Password is the fastest updater in the West.

I'd LOVE to see someone release a plug-in like Concierge... steroid driven bookmark tool.


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post #118 of 185
6/8/10 at 4:47am
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Originally Posted by WelshDog View Post

Macbook Pro i7 with 8 gigs ram. Took Safari 5 on a little trip to the Apple site to view the FaceTime video. Got about 5 seconds of video followed by a freeze frame and beach ball for 20 seconds. Then the video zoomed forward super fast to where it would have been after 20 seconds. Then it beachballed again. Reloaded the page and it played fine. Similar issues with the iPhone 4 video.

Not impressed. Can I have Safari 4 back now please?

Oooh, that's not good news.
I have the same MBP (+hi-res/anti-glare), so maybe I'll hold off until the .01 update appears in a few days.

So, what's all this talk of Tabs on top?
Does that mean on top, as in where the window title bar should be? THAT would SUCK.
I HATED that in the Safari 4 beta releases. I even ran some terminal thingie to put them back where they belong.


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post #119 of 185
6/8/10 at 5:13am
Sunspider test



============================================
RESULTS (means and 95% confidence intervals)
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Total: 372.2ms +/- 0.6%
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3d: 44.4ms +/- 4.7%
cube: 15.6ms +/- 4.4%
morph: 13.4ms +/- 10.6%
raytrace: 15.4ms +/- 4.4%

access: 44.8ms +/- 3.0%
binary-trees: 10.2ms +/- 5.5%
fannkuch: 17.2ms +/- 3.2%
nbody: 10.6ms +/- 6.4%
nsieve: 6.8ms +/- 15.3%

bitops: 25.4ms +/- 6.6%
3bit-bits-in-byte: 3.6ms +/- 18.9%
bits-in-byte: 8.0ms +/- 11.0%
bitwise-and: 4.6ms +/- 14.8%
nsieve-bits: 9.2ms +/- 22.2%

controlflow: 4.2ms +/- 13.2%
recursive: 4.2ms +/- 13.2%

crypto: 21.0ms +/- 4.2%
aes: 11.4ms +/- 6.0%
md5: 5.2ms +/- 10.7%
sha1: 4.4ms +/- 15.5%

date: 46.8ms +/- 3.9%
format-tofte: 26.4ms +/- 2.6%
format-xparb: 20.4ms +/- 10.2%

math: 32.8ms +/- 1.7%
cordic: 10.0ms +/- 0.0%
partial-sums: 15.8ms +/- 3.5%
spectral-norm: 7.0ms +/- 0.0%

regexp: 16.4ms +/- 4.2%
dna: 16.4ms +/- 4.2%

string: 136.4ms +/- 4.0%
base64: 16.4ms +/- 4.2%
fasta: 16.6ms +/- 11.4%
tagcloud: 27.4ms +/- 2.5%
unpack-code: 45.2ms +/- 1.2%
validate-input: 30.8ms +/- 17.9%

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post #120 of 185
6/8/10 at 5:46am
After I installed Safari 5, I lost the ability to view my "Watch Instantly" on Netflix! I had to switch to Chrome to watch my show last night! Thankfully Hulu still works! Netflix please fix your site!
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