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Ok, I need to know how to go through with this process for my company that I am about to start. I am 18 and I think the age to get one is 18 so Im cool on that. I just need to know who to contact to get this stuff in palce. It's important that I get this stuff copyrighted.
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[quote]Originally posted by TigerWoods99:
<strong>Ok, I need to know how to go through with this process for my company that I am about to start. I am 18 and I think the age to get one is 18 so Im cool on that. I just need to know who to contact to get this stuff in palce. It's important that I get this stuff copyrighted.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't know anything about it, but I would start by reading the
<a href="http://www.loc.gov/copyright/" target="_blank">United States Copyright Office web page</a>.
post #3 of 30
<a href="http://www.uspto.gov/" target="_blank">United States Patent and Trademark Office</a> might be of interest too.

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Good lookin out.
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post #5 of 30
Have a copyright declaration notorized and you're set with copyright.

Have you registered your domain name? I guess you have because that's the easiest part.

Patent is quite difficult, but can be the most rewarding. Go to the patents office site to research.

Trademarks do not need to be registered. A non-registered trade mark can be accompanied by the symbol (TM). Just make sure no one else in a similar business is using the same TM and you'll be okay. If business takes off you can go through the registration process with the patents office.
post #6 of 30
Can you tell us what kind of business you're going into without tipping your hand too much?

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post #7 of 30
What are you trying to get a patent on?

post #8 of 30
I think he's trying to patent his rapping. I bet his comapny is flogging his CD's outta his trunk!
post #9 of 30
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No, I'm not rapping . I actually haven't registered a domain name yet. I definitely am very shortly for our website. What I can tell you is that it does tie in with the comment about rapping. I have a lot of good ideas so I cant really get into detail, but I'm not going to have the company based in one direction. I will be approaching BET with the first idea though. Me and my friend thought about starting a company, but his interest snt really there. Im finally getting this thing off the ground and will be helped by my buddy in New York. I'm actually very serious about this. I think the only thing I need is to get letters, logos, whatever trademarked and material copyrighted.

It will be a hip-hop trend like no other. My gf doesnt wanna be seen with me in the shirt that Im making to let people know about us.
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Oh yeah, how do I register a domain and how much will it cost me?
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post #11 of 30
go to <a href="http://www.google.com" target="_blank">www.google.com</a> and type in "how do I register a domain name".

There are a ton of options.
post #12 of 30
The patent office is for inventions. Doesn't sound like you are inventors.
post #13 of 30
Some decent web hosting and registration is about 600 a year.

Of course, my decent may not be your decent, or vice versa.
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Christ! Any way I can buy now pay later on that? lol
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post #15 of 30
[quote]Originally posted by tonton:
<strong>Trademarks do not need to be registered. A non-registered trade mark can be accompanied by the symbol (TM). Just make sure no one else in a similar business is using the same TM and you'll be okay. If business takes off you can go through the registration process with the patents office.</strong><hr></blockquote>

This is erroneous advice and certainly is not legal. We just met with our attorney to discuss this same issue. You MAY NOT use the TM or ® logo WITHOUT registering it. If you do, you are actually breaking the law!

May I suggest spending the $500.00 or so dollars to meet with a good attorney for an hour to understand the process and reasons why you should or shouldn't do what you want to do.

Copyrights are very powerful, patents can be very dangerous if you figured out how to do something that others have been unable to figure out.

I hope this helps a little bit.
post #16 of 30
[quote]Originally posted by Mike:
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This is erroneous advice and certainly is not legal. We just met with our attorney to discuss this same issue. You MAY NOT use the TM or ® logo WITHOUT registering it. If you do, you are actually breaking the law!

May I suggest spending the $500.00 or so dollars to meet with a good attorney for an hour to understand the process and reasons why you should or shouldn't do what you want to do.

Copyrights are very powerful, patents can be very dangerous if you figured out how to do something that others have been unable to figure out.

I hope this helps a little bit.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Could you explain farther? What is the difference between a Trademark () and a Registered Trademark (®)? Why do you have to register regular trademarks?
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post #17 of 30
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the info. I actually was going to inquire about getting a trademark so I wouldnt have any problems anywayz. No way I can afford to meet with an attorney, but I will file my request for a registered trademark.
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post #18 of 30
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So the R (I dont know how to do the synbol) for a registered trademark? What I am wanting is my company logo to be protected so nobody else can use the letters & symbol associated with it. LIke for instance I was looking on Eastbay's website and here is a Maryland Nike cap, and right below the Maryland Terrapin logo is a TM. I would think this would registered also however.

I am working on final logo designs, and I am going to ask you guys for an opinion on which one should make the cut.

Also, does anyone know how the f*ck I would get a logo I create on my computer onto a t-shirt? Or even image/drawings I make?

Once I make our first thing to get the message out, I will post pics of it too.

Thank you for all your assistance.
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post #19 of 30
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Oh, and does it cost money to get something trademarked/copyrighted?
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post #20 of 30
I would suggest trying to find a small business counseling center in your area. Most cities have them... a friend of mine in Atlanta works for one, and I've seen ads for them here in Boston. Basically, retired executives and lawyers or what not will sit down with you and talk about all of this, help you devise a strategy, advise you, etceteras. It's also free for you to use.

I think this would be the proper route to go prior to doing anything serious. They'll be able to help you put things in order and get everything in line. So give that a shot first...
post #21 of 30
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Question. Do I have to have a finalized product for me to trademark if I want one? I'm in the process of working on the logo, but I want to declare for a trademark ASAP. So can I declare now and send things later?
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post #22 of 30
heh, did anyone ever think about maybe going to the US Patent and Trademark Office's web site? You can do the whole thing online...

<a href="http://www.uspto.gov/teas/" target="_blank">http://www.uspto.gov/teas/</a>
post #23 of 30
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Here's a bit that I found on <a href="http://www.uspto.gov" target="_blank">www.uspto.gov</a>

<a href="http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/tac/doc/basic/register.htm" target="_blank">http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/tac/doc/basic/register.htm</a>


When can I use the trademark symbols TM, SM and ®?

Any time you claim rights in a mark, you may use the "TM" (trademark) or "SM" (service mark) designation to alert the public to your claim, regardless of whether you have filed an application with the USPTO. However, you may use the federal registration symbol "®" only after the USPTO actually registers a mark, and not while an application is pending. Also, you may use the registration symbol with the mark only on or in connection with the goods and/or services listed in the federal trademark registration.


I will probably register for it so Im legally protected however this seems to state that by using you have established a trademark on something.
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post #24 of 30
My lawyer went over this with me some years back. By consistently applying the TM symbol to your mark, you establish a pattern of use, and therefore if someone else tries to use it in the future, you have a sort of trail of bread crumbs you can retrieve and show that you were using the mark beforehand.

Basically, it boiled down to the fact that it wasn't necessary for my business, and it was going to cost me money I didn't need to spend. That's what the TM symbol is for though, you read it yourself on their site. Again though, before you go and drop hundreds of dollars on registering this with the USPTO, go find one of those small business help centers, and get advice there. They're there to help you, and you've got nothing to lose and everything to gain by doing it. Don't be stubborn
post #25 of 30
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I agree. Either me or my friend will do something about going to a business center and getting some advice. The thing is I just dont want to end up in any legal hash with someone stealing my ideas. If I had it registered, all I'd need to do was contact USPTO and have them deal with whoever it is. Im all about keeping the idea I have. I think I can at least delcare interest and apply for the registered trademark before I foot any kind of a bill. I'm willing to pay if it means I can get what I want, but I dont want to necessarily fork out lots of $$$ if it isnt doing me much good. I figured all trademarks had to go through the process of legally being registered, but I guess not.
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post #26 of 30
Hey I would be willing to do web design or whatever...

Heres the latest thing I've made...did it yesterday for my friend's site:



I really need something to do besides mess around in AI forums <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> .

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post #27 of 30
[quote]Any time you claim rights in a mark, you may use the "TM" (trademark) or "SM" (service mark) designation to alert the public to your claim, regardless of whether you have filed an application with the USPTO. However, you may use the federal registration symbol "®" only after the USPTO actually registers a mark, and not while an application is pending. Also, you may use the registration symbol with the mark only on or in connection with the goods and/or services listed in the federal trademark registration.<hr></blockquote>

You were saying, Mike?

I think Tiger has clearly confirmed my post. Please don't slander people when you don't know what you're talking about.
post #28 of 30
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Spart: When we launch the site it should be summer. I'll keep you in mind when we get everything sorted out.

If anybody is a designer and wants in I'm definitely listening.

I am working on our logo right now.
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post #29 of 30
[quote]Originally posted by TigerWoods99:
<strong>Spart: When we launch the site it should be summer. I'll keep you in mind when we get everything sorted out.

If anybody is a designer and wants in I'm definitely listening.

I am working on our logo right now.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yea I'd definitely be willing and would do it for free too....doesn't hurt to have references for freelance web design.
post #30 of 30
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You'll definitely reap the benefits when we hit it big time. And Im certain if we follow through this will be huge.
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