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post #1 of 28
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<a href="http://www.reseauvoltaire.net/actu/imposture.htm#1" target="_blank">"L'effroyable imposture" or "The Dreadful Imposture"</a>

From the site:
"The US Authorities have tried to make believe that the dammage (sic) caused to the Pentagon, on September 11, 2001 was caused by the crash of a hijacked Boeing airliner on the building. This lie was meant to hide the fact that a bombing attack was in fact carried out by a group of people who had authorized access to the Pentagon and that the target was not the Departement of Defense in general but the new Navy Command Center."

You put this with the book that quoted Prez. Dubya as saying some outrageously cartoonish warlord things ("Give us the carpet of gold or we give you the carpet of bombs"), it seems as if the French have a little 9/11-conspiracy related sub-economy.

What the hell is wrong with these people?

[ 04-03-2002: Message edited by: groverat ]</p>
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post #2 of 28
Buncha loonies anyhow... Not all french, but these reporters seem to be one bubble off level...
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post #3 of 28
i wouldn't blame the french people as much as the media. It would be like people judging America by what the NY Post prints.
post #4 of 28
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[quote]It would be like people judging America by what the NY Post prints.[/QB]<hr></blockquote>

Actually, books like these (and I think these in particular) have been endorsed by Le Monde and other "respected" French papers.
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post #5 of 28
I've already ordered my copy from Amazon and should have it by the end of the week.

I believe an adminstration as evil and corrupt as the current is capable of almost anything.
post #6 of 28
[quote]Originally posted by Nostradamus:
<strong>I've already ordered my copy from Amazon and should have it by the end of the week.

I believe an adminstration as evil and corrupt as the current is capable of almost anything.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Alright, mr. holier than thou. I agree that this administration isn't exactly perfect, but it's no worse, when speaking of morality, than the former.

On the topic at hand:

I'd argue that the EU loves to hate America, but it's sort of a closet-hate. If you ask me it's all because of jealousy: we do everything they don't, we do everything opposite to the way they are taught by the socialists in charge, yet the Euro isn't increasing against the dollar, and Europe's worth isn't increasing in any measurable sense. France may well dislike us the most, because at this point the only economic area they excel in involves culture & tourism.
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post #7 of 28
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Nostradamus, quite a waste of EUR 17,38.

Read the 3rd user review at the Amazon order site. <a href="http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/291236244X/402-9946487-8904133" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/291236244X/402-9946487-8904133</a>
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post #8 of 28
[quote]Originally posted by Splinemodel:
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Alright, mr. holier than thou. I agree that this administration isn't exactly perfect, but it's no worse, when speaking of morality, than the former.

On the topic at hand:

I'd argue that the EU loves to hate America, but it's sort of a closet-hate. If you ask me it's all because of jealousy: we do everything they don't, we do everything opposite to the way they are taught by the socialists in charge, yet the Euro isn't increasing against the dollar, and Europe's worth isn't increasing in any measurable sense. France may well dislike us the most, because at this point the only economic area they excel in involves culture & tourism.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Calm down ! i do not buy this crap, i have a quick look of the site : there was also an article about the help of France to commit genocide in Rwanda. This is not representative of the average French media opinion, it's the first time i hear about this conspiracy theory. The principle media in france is TV : there was no word upon this. Concerning Le Monde, sometimes they make mistakes, they are not as serious as they where in the past. Some french media love theory of conspiration lead by governements , French or US.

I recently see an article saying that the explosion of Toulouse was not the fault of Total but the fault of the chemistry company who made the fuel for Ariane. The french governement is supposed to hide the truth in order to do not pay for the wounded and for the repairs. This was in a serious right (but not winged ) french media Valeurs Actuelles. Personaly i did not buy this either.

Personaly i am not a fan of Xfiles where there is governement conspiracy at every corners of the series. I do not want to enter in paranoia.

So be quiet, this only an opinion of a website, belonging to the author of the book to promote his own idears and to sell his book ...This is a side effect of the liberty of expression, how do you call this first amendement ? (excuse me but i may have choose the bad one : do not know them by heart, nore i do not know by heart the declaration of human rights.)
post #9 of 28
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Free speech is the 1st amendment, powerdoc, you got it. I don't know crap about French gov't so you're one up on me!

(I know your president is Chirac (sp?) and that's about it.)

This is why I ask the question "Do the French actually buy this crap?"

Maybe you should get the McDonald's bomber guy to drop a few explosives in this publishing house!
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post #10 of 28
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>Free speech is the 1st amendment, powerdoc, you got it. I don't know crap about French gov't so you're one up on me!

(I know your president is Chirac (sp?) and that's about it.)

This is why I ask the question "Do the French actually buy this crap?"

Maybe you should get the McDonald's bomber guy to drop a few explosives in this publishing house! </strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually the Mc Donald's Bomber was fired from Israel, this guy has founding no more thant interesting to encounter Arafat when he was surrender by the israelians : i do not see what Arafat have to do with mondialisation. The funny thing with this man (Jose Bove) that he receive an american education , knows all the tricks to be mediatic, and try to turn himself in a martyr.
This guy is a heroe for certain French people, but not for me, demount a Macdo, or destroy transgenic plantation is not my cup of tea, however acting against mondialisation is a lame as trying to stop the evolution.

Your spelling of Chirac is good, the election of France are becoming in 10 days, there is 17 candidates ( at least France is productive for something )

Anyway i must say you thank you for this link, Kinda funny to learn something about your media coming from a Stranger even if it is one with a huge culture like you groverat .
when i say Calm down it was not directed to you, apologize if you have thinked so. :cool:
post #11 of 28
Ah, Nostradamus, as crazy as I sometimes feel, I'll always know that someone is crazier...

This book is just par for the course. People love to hate us. They like to blame someone I guess for their problems.

[added] People are inherently hateful and spiteful. They need an object for their desire to hate, be it Americans, government, religions, etc. These books are an outlet, providing a sense of legitimacy to their otherwise irrational thoughts. Yes, we have our bad spots in America and we're not always right (who is these days?). We are, after all, just more people.

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post #12 of 28
[quote]Originally posted by BuonRotto:
<strong>Ah, Nostradamus, as crazy as I sometimes feel, I'll always know that someone is crazier...

This book is just par for the course. People love to hate us. They to blame someone I guess for their problems.</strong><hr></blockquote>
true many people love to hate the others for their own problems. When you are the leader in something or importants figures, you are a potential target for this. USA is a leader in many things, army economy culture, so it is one of the favorite target for hate.

In France, a crazy guy kill 8 people in the mayor assembly in the town call Nanterre, sometimes after he commited suicide : but he write a letter. The only reason for this murder, was that this man was lame at everything, he did not suceed in politic either so he just decide to kill himself but to kill before as many elected representant as possible just by jalousy, because at his eyes this people have succeed but not him. This is a very sad story : you can be killed just because a dumb personn is jealous of your (little) sucess. Crazy but unfortunately true.

PS : even on this tragedy i am sure that a journalist will write a book discribing a secret conspiracy ...
post #13 of 28
Are the French really more interested in conspiracy theories than Americans? I doubt it.

Kennedy/MLK assassination conspiracies, black helicopter/UN conspiracies, Clinton=murdering drug dealer conspiracies, drugs from the CIA to blacks, UFO cover-ups by the government, Satanists abusing children, Gulf War syndrome, on and on. It's the American way!
post #14 of 28
[quote]Originally posted by BRussell:
<strong>Are the French really more interested in conspiracy theories than Americans? I doubt it.

Kennedy/MLK assassination conspiracies, black helicopter/UN conspiracies, Clinton=murdering drug dealer conspiracies, drugs from the CIA to blacks, UFO cover-ups by the government, Satanists abusing children, Gulf War syndrome, on and on. It's the American way!</strong><hr></blockquote>
We use to say here in France that we use to go in the american way but with ten years late
post #15 of 28
We say the same about Canada.
post #16 of 28
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You don't see many of the Clinton-Eating-Babies or UFO-Raping-Priests conspiracy books endorsed by the New York Times, though. (JFK assassination is a bit more plausible and understandable.)

The reason I decided to look this up is that one of my classmates was talking to the class about how this book wasn't "available on U.S. soil" and she was very indignant about it, so obviously there are interested parties everywhere, but I'm just curious as to why all this tripe is coming out of France. Maybe there are no libel laws in France or something I don't know, I'm just curious.

How in God's name could someone believe that Flight 77 *didn't* hit the friggin' Pentagon?
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post #17 of 28
It's like when a magician makes the statue of liberty disappear; slight of hand.

Flight 77 and all it's occupants were sucked into a secret military 4th dimensional vortex and are all in a parallel universe, where cats chase dogs, mice chase cats, and McDonalds food makes you thin.
post #18 of 28
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>You don't see many of the Clinton-Eating-Babies or UFO-Raping-Priests , but I'm just curious as to why all this tripe is coming out of France. Maybe there are no libel laws in France or something I don't know, I'm just curious.

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What is libel law ?
I am not a lawyer so i will have problems to said if the law permit or not to make false statement, i think the limit deals with diffamation rather than insane theory.
post #19 of 28
...mmmmm.... Chicken McNuggets.....
post #20 of 28
[quote]Originally posted by Arakageeta:
<strong>...mmmmm.... Chicken McNuggets.....</strong><hr></blockquote>

:confused: need some explanations here.
post #21 of 28
(he's making a reference to my post. They serve McNuggets at McDonalds.)
post #22 of 28
Well, like with many other incomprehensible events (Pearl Harbor, JFK, Moon Landing UFO's, Panama, et al) there will always be these basement dwelling jerk-offs writing their own version of things.

French or not...they are idiots most of the time. Most of the time...if anyone really knew what Bush Sr. did to just "arrest and capture" Noriega...<a href="http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/1993/02/02-25-93tdc/02-25-93dops-column2.asp" target="_blank">you are seriously wrong</a>.
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post #23 of 28
[quote]Originally posted by powerdoc:
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What is libel law ?
I am not a lawyer so i will have problems to said if the law permit or not to make false statement, i think the limit deals with diffamation rather than insane theory.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Libel is intentionally telling a lie about someone knowing that it will affect them badly in their life. If I know that you don't have sex with dogs and print something that says you do, I can be sued by you for libel
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post #24 of 28
Of course they buy this crap. Who cares?

On another note, I've been hearing for years many anti-American rants from the French. I'm sure there is a reason for this. Anybody want to tell me the reasons why...
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I chalk it up to the main reasons people feel hate: ignorance and jealousy.
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[quote]Originally posted by sc_markt:
<strong>Of course they buy this crap. Who cares?

On another note, I've been hearing for years many anti-American rants from the French. I'm sure there is a reason for this. Anybody want to tell me the reasons why...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Do you live in France ?, more than 95 % of the french ignore the existence of this book and this "stupid" theory. If Groverat does not show me this link i'll still ignore this conspiracy theory.Personally i try to get informed as much as i can (even if i prefer TV and radio ) but i will never loose my money and my time to read such crappy book.
post #27 of 28
Today i read in my regional newspaper " la montagne" an article about this book.
In the preliminar they said that in the beginning they decided to do not talk of this book in order to not promote it.

This book have been promoted in a TV emission ruled by Thierry Ardisson a TV presentator well known for his taste for polemic and provocation.
By the way with the help of this emission (but not the news on TV that's why i did not ear of it in France since today) he sales a huge number of this books.
considering the sucess of this conspiracy book, as a strange phenomena the dayly La montagne decide to report it.
They said that the book was full of contradiction, imprecision and that the statement that no plane crashed on the PENTAGONE was insane and totally dumbThey said also that there was some good questions in it, but unfortunately this book act as a troll : he is so ridiculous that nobody will ask some question about this tragedy after it's release (it will a shame to take arguments from this book)

The author is near the french greens (ecologists). In France the majority of the greens are belonging to the left.
For this kind of people , the capitalism is a bad thing so they have to find good reasons to deny it : they can hardly deny the economic success of USA so they try to invent some craps about an evil governement rule by the CIA etc and all that kind of crap. So with the reasons of Jealousy and ignorance you can add ideology blindness as a cause of US hate.
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Thanks for the update, powerdoc.
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