Originally Posted by MJ1970
There are so many problems with this, it is worthy of its own thread, so I'll leave it for now.
Then start it.
First, you assume that they don't pay taxes*. Second, you assume that all the things you listed must and can only be provided through taxes. Both of these are untrue.
*One way to get around the whole tax issue would be to replace all income taxes with sales taxes. This would ensure that anyone who buys anything in the US (surely people here illegal are buying things) would be paying taxes. There are other benefits to this approach as well, but that's another thread too.
Yes, I assume they don't pay taxes. That's because on the whole, they don't. Many are paid under the table. Many don't own residences, so they pay no school taxes. Hospitals and schools ARE stressed as a result (do I really need to support that, or will you concede it?).
Replacing income taxes with sales taxes is an idea worthy of consideration. It won't happen, but it would alleviate some of the problems wrt immigration.
I disagree. I think there are some actually very appropriate parallels. Further you have yet to prove the real harms of immigration.
Then list them. I happen to think it's a ridiculous analogy. One has to do with a product that people want to consume. The other has to do with economics.
As for immigration being harmful, let's be clear: Immigration is not harmful. Illegal
immigration is. I have demonstrated clearly why it is harmful from an economic standpoint. I am not making this up. There are specific examples, even near where I live. One of these is Hazelton School District. The town of Hazelton passed legislation making it illegal to rent to illegal immigrants. Why would a coal-region town at the top of a mountain in PA have to do this? Money. In the late 1990s, the school district's ESL budget was $800. Less than 10 years later, it was $800,000. This is an impact that taxpayers feel directly. The same is true for other areas of the country.
And what about the other impacts? Illegal immigrants tend not to assimilate into the culture. They tend not to learn English (I can speak to this personally, being a teacher). They form a sub-culture with its own language, customs, places of residence, etc. It essentially balkanizes the country. This is never good. It is also much different than what happened with the immigrants of the past 100 years.
But now we're starting to play with words here. Let's set aside legal vs. illegal for a moment. What are the harms of immigration in general? What are the risks and problems with it? Who should not be allowed to immigrate to the US? Why? It is these problems that laws should be created to deal with.
No. We cannot set aside legality. That is at the very heart of the matter. Legal immigration in reasonable amounts is good for society.
As for what I mean by free...I mean to make it as easy as possible within reasonable limitations (those might be things like carrying infection diseases, prior criminal history, etc.), to immigrate to the US. Frankly, just being Mexican seems to be the main limitation now.
As for the main limitation, there is a reason you view it that way: The vast majority of illegal immigrants are from Mexico. We don't have a problem with Canadiens streaming over the boarder by the tens of thousands. We have a problem, primarily, with Mexicans. This is because the US offers the promise of a better life, and is directly to the North.
I agree with making it easier emigrate from Mexico legally
. But first, we must contain illegal