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post #161 of 210
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Originally Posted by GQB View Post

So I assume you're going to buy one so that you can continue to bitch, right?

post #162 of 210
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Originally Posted by DHKOsta View Post

If I'm an expert at one thing, it's abusing my equipment.

I've had my 3G since launch (nearly two years), and it's only ever been protected by an anti-glare film on the screen. After taking a call while driving, I typically stash my 3G between my legs. I often forget about it and when I get out it slides out of my GMC Sierra (an easy four feet) onto the concrete or asphalt and bounces. Conservatively estimating that this has happened once a week, I think this has happened at least a hundred times. Also, I once dropped it about twenty feet onto a wood deck, and my ex-wife hurled it at me once and it put a pretty good ding in a painted drywall surface.

My glass is immaculate, though the bezel and back are a little scratched up.

Also remember that the lcd screen laminated to the iPhone 4 probably lends much strength to the front display overall. Anyone taking this as even a general idea of what would likely happen in an end-use circumstance is kidding himself.

LOL!

I just gotta' comment!

You're joking, right! Your opening line has me crying: "If I'm an expert at one thing, it's abusing my equipment."

Kinda' like the macho guy in the TV commercial that brags: "I have a small business!"

Back to your story... maybe if you were more careful about what was between your legs, your wife wouldn't be your ex-wife... and wouldn't feel like throwing things!

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post #163 of 210
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post

A free fall drop from several feet will not result in a multiple points of direct force impact that is being shown in this photo.

That is the result of several focused blows from an external force directed down on a fixed object.

I'm inclined to agree with that... it's bogus. Mac Rumors has already pulled the article on their site....
post #164 of 210
In other news, a new test posted shows that using only a quarter stick of dynamite strategically placed under a new iPhone 4 can actually cause some damage to the glass front and back side.
post #165 of 210
The iPhone 4 is a sandwich of two such pieces of glass. Why doesn't iFixYouri repeat the test right away on the other side, with video recording this time?
post #166 of 210
Call me paranoid and a conspiracy theorist but something is weird about the glass at that website.

The website that did the test posted another photo of the broken glass.

http://www.ifixyouri.com/blog/?p=62

Look at the hole where the front camera is. There appears to be a crack that runs all the way across it, and it also appears to be flat glass.

Look at any photo of the iPhone 4 on Apple's website and you'll see that the front camera hole is indented, just the like the mic hole.

Am I the only one who see's that?
post #167 of 210
My iphone was knocked out of my hands on...a subway platform! Luckily my reaction time is quick and I'm not one to stand near the edge, so I retrieved the phone with only a bounce on the floor (no case). One can only wonder what would have happened if it were run over by a train, or worse, eaten by one of the gigantic NYC subway rats.

I've bounced the phone on concrete once or twice as well, and it's fallen out of a shirt pocket when I leaned forward a few times. The plastic back has a one inch "hairline fracture" that has yet to impact on my usability of the phone and that's about it. I've owned multiple phones and ipods and have never once had any problem with the glass on the front cracking. That photo of the cracked iphone 4 looks like someone dropped a bowling ball on it...
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post #169 of 210
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Call me paranoid and a conspiracy theorist but something is weird about the glass at that website.

The website that did the test posted another photo of the broken glass.

http://www.ifixyouri.com/blog/?p=62

Look at the hole where the front camera is. There appears to be a crack that runs all the way across it, and it also appears to be flat glass.

Look at any photo of the iPhone 4 on Apple's website and you'll see that the front camera hole is indented, just the like the mic hole.

Am I the only one who see's that?

I just posted about it not being the "official" Apple glass. See my link above. The glass and display are now fused - laminated - yet ifixyouri shows the parts as being separate.
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post #170 of 210
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Originally Posted by TheToe View Post

You know... if an article has 80 replies to it already, there is just a possible chance that someone has already posted what you are about to type.

So before telling us all how bogus this article is because the case is empty, perhaps you could notice that like 20 other people have already reiterated that?

But of course, if you're not going to read the last 80 posts, you're not going to read this either. So just post whatever is on your mind and expect everyone to read your post, even though you haven't read theirs.

Hey everyone. TheToe has volunteered to be hall monitor for the iPhone forum on AI. Let's all give him a biiiiiiiig welcome. When he's done there, maybe he can volunteer to add some splashes of color to everyone else's posts. And even do some spel chekun for us, you know, on the side? And we never did fill that Forum Grammarian job posting...

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post #171 of 210
I read Aluminum Silicate glass. AlON is more like sapphire and much harder and stronger.
post #172 of 210
Interesting... Inconclusive but interesting. I have not had problems with iPod Touch even though I dropped it a few times (from the leg to ground distance while sitting in a car). But I mean come on, if you drop something enough times of course its gonna break, unless they create an aluminum display, but even that can get a bump or two.
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post #173 of 210
Yea well, anyone who does not get a case for their iPhone is just plain foolish. Monoprice has them cheap enough that there is no excuse!
post #174 of 210
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Originally Posted by Mac Voyer View Post

There are about 100 million iDevices in use today. I think the test data is in.

This is my wife's 64GB 3G iPad after a 2-foot drop onto a wood floor. Wood floors are not particularly 'hard'. Granted that's only one data point.


post #175 of 210
Totally bogus claim. No way in hell would theiPhone's glass screen shatter so catastrophically as a result of such a minor fall. No way in hell.
post #176 of 210
As many of you know, a lot of 3rd party companies have already announced their own iPhone-4 protectors. How were they able to announce them so fast? They probably had access to "dummy' iPhones that matched the final products dimensions, but had no guts to them. I would also assume that Apple would not bother putting in the same type of glass they use in the phone. Just plain plate glass and maybe just aluminum or other low cost bezel, since it is just a mock-up.

This is not a true test.
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post #177 of 210
The crack patterns imply a mid-side sharp impact (unlikely from a fall onto an even surface) and an impact, like a hammer or chisel/screwdriver blow to the face.

Fraud.
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post #178 of 210
basic simple FUD
post #179 of 210
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Originally Posted by igxqrrl View Post

This is my wife's 64GB 3G iPad after a 2-foot drop onto a wood floor. Wood floors are not particularly 'hard'. Granted that's only one data point.



Well, they are called "hard"wood floors!

Anyway, I think you have a point about the iPad's durability and Apple's general implication that they're something that you can toss around.

On the other hand, the iPhone 4 uses a different glass than the iPad, so it really doesn't tell us too much about the iPhone.
post #180 of 210
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Originally Posted by rangerdavid View Post

The crack patterns imply a mid-side sharp impact (unlikely from a fall onto an even surface) and an impact, like a hammer or chisel/screwdriver blow to the face.

Fraud.

Yes, one of the responses at iFixYouri claims he has a friend that is an industrial design specialist and says it's evident it was struck by a hammer, as noted in the near perfectly round shape where the damage starts from in the upper right hand corner. I'm pretty sure that's what probably happened, on top of a few other points provided by others: no internals, glass layers not fused together... It's a complete fraud...
post #181 of 210
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Originally Posted by eldernorm View Post

----- there will be 3rd party units that do the same thing for cheaper. And no it does not cost 1.7 cents. 50,000 $ for the cost of the mold, 125,000 $ for the injection machine, trained labor, and material. The cost for 1 is 175,000$ + the cost for 175,000 is 1$. But only if you sell all of them. :-)

It's probably not far from the truth though. Given that Apple may well sell a million of them, their amortized per part cost for the bare part ( not including packaging, distribution, etc.) probably would not be far from a few cents. Contract injection molders don't make you pay for the whole injection machine, just the few seconds it takes to make the part, and that's embedded into the total per part incremental cost of a few cents a piece. The same goes with the labor, though much of it is automated, one person probably watches several machines at a time. It probably only takes a few thousand pieces to pay for initial costs.
post #182 of 210
Why dont just people stop dropping their phones? I've had the 3G for about 2 years and all I get in damage are some scratches on the bezel and some tiny damage on the plastic back, front glass is pristine...
post #183 of 210
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Originally Posted by thekd80 View Post

Call me paranoid and a conspiracy theorist but something is weird about the glass at that website.

The website that did the test posted another photo of the broken glass.

http://www.ifixyouri.com/blog/?p=62

Look at the hole where the front camera is. There appears to be a crack that runs all the way across it, and it also appears to be flat glass.

Look at any photo of the iPhone 4 on Apple's website and you'll see that the front camera hole is indented, just the like the mic hole.

Am I the only one who see's that?

I see it too, and I agree with your assessment. The part they are showing is fundamentally different from the iPhone 4s Apple has been showing when it comes to the camera hole. Note also that the parts lack the speaker grill and this picture, which demonstrates the parts before they were broken and this one of an "assembled" set of white iPhone 4 parts. Notice the white iPhone 4 has not even got the correct Home Button. It's obvious these are cheaper dummies Apple has sent out to allow dimensions etc. to be precisely measured for cases and such.

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post #184 of 210
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Every few years there is a story about how girls at some Middle School suddenly all come down with some vague symptoms like feeling faint, having trouble breathing, etc. Later, after the Fire Department or EPA or whoever checks the place out and finds nothing amiss, it is determined that it was another case of mass hysteria. One girl had low blood sugar or something, and then her empathetic friends feel it too. Before long, rumors of toxic gases spread and soon, the panic that immature people are prone to, seems like the symptoms they heard described and girls (and some boys) start dropping like flies.

Be prepared for the adult iPhone owner version of this phenomenon as soon as the 4 ships. There will be the usual number of breakage mishaps, but they will be singled out and reported as if they are an epidemic. Panic on blogs will ensue. Haters will latch on to the only bad news they can to piss on the iPhone celebration.

Runaway Toyotas fall into this category. Numerous car magazines have tried and failed to accelerate while holding the brake. Can''t be done - the brakes will hold the car even while you floor the accelerator.
post #185 of 210
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Originally Posted by chronster View Post

Wait a second, we saw with our own eyes Apple BENDING THE GLASS to a point where you expected it to shatter, now we're being told it shatters after a fall of a few feet?

I don't buy it. I think this is bs, but the people know when everyone gets their iphone, they won't be attempting to prove them wrong.

(yes, I'm very pessimistic when it comes to anything a company says to sell more shit.)

here's the video of the guy taking a baseball bat to an ipad outside best buy on launch day. he dropped it from ~5ft on concrete (corner hit) and the screen didn't crack. i don't know if the glass is different on an ipad, but i know the ipad is a good bit heavier than a phone, so it's going to hit the ground harder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGUppxoJUVg

it's glass, it's going to break if you abuse it enough..

until i see a video of the this test, I will assume that this was a blunt force impact to the upper right (not a flat drop from 3.5 ft) because that's what the picture looks like.
post #186 of 210
There are at least two impact points in that glass front. This story is retarded.
post #187 of 210
Hmm...

From the OP:-

"The firm also argues that the iPhone 4 sports a design flaw that "will bite [Apple] in the future." Is says that in the new device, the glass sits on top of the unit's aluminum frame, where on previous models it was recessed and protected by a chrome bezel."

Isn't the real frame made of stainless steel?

If you were a manufacturer, what would you do with factory seconds such as glass screens which weren't quite up to standard?

One use that springs to mind is using them in dummy handsets that can be provided to accessory manufacturers in order to duplicate the shape, size, colour and feel of the finished product.

Could that explain this?
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post #188 of 210
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Originally Posted by igxqrrl View Post

This is my wife's 64GB 3G iPad after a 2-foot drop onto a wood floor. Wood floors are not particularly 'hard'. Granted that's only one data point.



Tisk-tisk, look at those finger prints!
Sorry for your loss, hopefully some form of insurance?
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post #189 of 210
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Does anyone ACTUALLY believe this amount damage was caused by a 3 foot drop?? I'm not saying it's ENTIRELY possible that Apple is overplaying how durable the phone is.. but come on, you can drop a $2 juice glass from Ikea on the ground and it won't cause that much damage.

Maybe they want to clarify some details.. such as, was dropped or thrown. And was it dropped on the ground or a steel pipe.. like seriously..


My iPhone 3G slipped out from my pocket while I was maneuvering my paraglider at Pune, India, in March 2010.

It was a free fall on ground from 300 feet!

The display went full white, but the touch sensitivity was on. I actually called home, by touching the relevant locations on white display by judgement, and told my family about this drop, from that same iPhone!

Not only was the glass intact, even the back plastic case was fairly intact, with some damage marks on it.

The sleep button at the top has went in about half mm and has now become harder to operate.

I had the display replaced next day from a local repairs guy, and am using that same iPhone till date.

Now I plan to buy the latest model, whenever it's available in India.

And yes, I am least bothered about the strength of it's glass!
post #190 of 210
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Yea same here. 3 or 4 weeks into owning my 3G, I rested it on my lap as I was driving, forgot it was there and got out of the car My iPhone landed on the gravely parking lot ground and I nearly had a heart attack. The bezel was quite marred, but the glass was spotless!

this is exactly what happened to me, only my glass did shatter terribly! But the the good news, I just put a layer of scotch tape over it and I'm still using it today after 10 months. Sure it's annoying but soon I'll have a new iPhone 4...
post #191 of 210
If this story is true (WHICH I DOUBT) I'm sure Apple will quickly come out with a IPHONE 4case that will prevent the glass breaking.
post #192 of 210
$30 each for colored rubberbands, that's freakin' ridiculous.

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I don't understand how those cracks are on the surface, but not on the edges of the glass...?

On the other hand... $30 for a small piece of rubber does seem a bit excessive, no? Oh wait. It does have color options. Do you at least get all 6 colors for that price? Or could people actually spend up to $180 on getting their iPhone to match their outfit?
post #193 of 210
the kind of fracture you see in that glass came about because the steel frame bent warped what ever you want to call it, in the fall had the big solid battery remained in the unit adding significant lateral bracing to the steel frame, that tork probably would not take place. think of a car in an accident that results in a sprung frame the glass can not bend in such a manner

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as a result a great deal of stress is built up in the glass, and it pops. I had the same thing happen to my sliding glass door last fall as my house settled. let me tell you that was an experience!

in the lab tests apple bent the glass showing that direct impact wont break it... direct impact did not break this, side impact did. Odds are the batteries solid structure probably would have prevented such a break.
post #194 of 210
Windshields (which are also plastic-laminated glass), and sapphire crystals in high end watches (replacing what typically is the glass covering the dial) are very resistant to impact but not shatterproof.

I have a synthetic sapphire crystal on my watch... and I've had it replaced. It's not impervious to damage. It's highly resistant to it, but even thicker than the iPhone's display, and harder than gorilla glass, it chipped on the edges and I had to replace it.

If enough abrupt force is applied, any one of these can chip, break or shatter. Apple never made the claim that it was shatter proof. Just like the makers of Nomex flight jackets only claim that they're fire resistant, not fire proof... or wristwatches that are water resistant are not water proof.

But Apple never once made the claim that the glass is shatter proof. And as several people have pointed out, a corner impact (lateral, rather than frontal, stress) is likely to damage most types of shatter resistant glass.
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post #195 of 210
I prefer my iPhone to be naked.
post #196 of 210
i've read many things already now that make me believe it is extremely unlikely this photo is what they claim it to be. Why no video? Why no details?

Leaving this article up is unfair to Apple, but if it gets mouse-clicks for AI then I guess they will continue to run it.
post #197 of 210
Apparently the glass is glued to the display, so repairing the glass means replacing the display too.

And the back of the iPhone 4 is glass as well, so double down.
post #198 of 210
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

Without explaining how, iFixYouri says it came into possession of a complete iPhone 4 shell with its glass face in tact (sic), but minus its internal componentry.... The firm did not disclose the surface onto which the unit was dropped, nor did it perform any investigation into whether the device was more susceptible to damage sans its internal components...

Guts removed? Didn't disclose the surface? "Several" drop tests? "Aluminum" frame? Really, there's no need to read more. This is inane junk written by idiots and frankly unworthy of reprinting here.

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its durability still falls short on sudden impact, which is "what causes 95% of glass shattering. Not because you bent the glass in your pocket, not because you dropped it and it bent, but really because of sudden impact."

ALERT THE MEDIA! Glass is broken by sudden impact! At least, um, 95% of the time. Design flaw! Apple FAIL!!!

What other kind of impact is there anyway? Gradual impact?

"Bumpers" or their functional equivalent will be available on every street corner and mall kiosk for $4.99.
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post #199 of 210
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What other kind of impact is there anyway? Gradual impact?

Um, yeah, hence the use of a qualifier. To use an extreme example of a non-sudden impact to belabor the point think of tectonic plates. For instance, the Indian Plate impacting the Eurasian Plate and creating the Himalayas.
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post #200 of 210
Well, after spending so much for the durn phone, what's another thirty bucks. Besides you need it to get the phone to work right. Antenna problems and all that; however; being external and perhaps bigger, are they better in the long run? If so, it's worth it.


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Found the description:
http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html
and it appears that they are indeed selling each individual color for $30.

Gotta hand it to Apple. They sure have no shame.
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