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Microsoft has worked hard to replicate a close facsimile of Apple's retail stores, copying everything from the minimalist design, look and layout of product tables to Apple's Genius Bar concept, right down to employees' primary color uniforms and even their iconic lanyards.

Wait, what? Since when are lanyards iconic? I use one every day. It's called wearing an ID. Guess mine isn't cool and iconic though.
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Originally Posted by Jerseymac View Post

Will there be people line dancing?

We can only hope that even now, Microsoft is training their staff, to line dance!
(And to say, "Welcome to the Microsoft Store. . . . I love you.")
post #43 of 235
Imitation still remains the most sincere form of flattery....
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

Does anyone really care?

Really? No.

But this has the potential to be hysterically-boring - a true NON-event. Step right up and see nothing happen! I predict it to fall somewhere between paint drying and grass growing; the grass just might be more interesting...

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"dwarfs"

Well, in all fairness, you can use either spelling -- I personally prefer the "-ves" (like "leaves" or "wolves") because the "v" gives a bit more grit than the "f" sound -- which is kinda necessary when spitting out the following "s."

But consistency (yeah, hobgoblin of a small mind, blah-blah...) of choice is the virtue here. Or maybe not?
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>>> The first was opened 20 minutes away from an Apple Store in Scottsdale Arizona

Hummm... I don't think a 20 minute drive can be considered close. That's farther than from the beach to downtown L.A.
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The Fashion Valley Apple Store is usually #1 in sales for all of California. That store is ALWAYS busy. I'm talking 80-100 people inside there every time I visit. It's amazing!

Microsoft picked a stupid place and an even stupider date to open a Microsoft store. On Thursday, June 24, the Microsoft store will be a good place to stand and take pictures of the crowds bulging out of the Apple Store. In front of the Microsoft store, you won't have to worry about anyone bumping your elbows while you are taking photos.

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I installed a LEGITIMATE copy of XP on my Bootcamp partition. It had a real serial number, hologram, the whole bit. When I start XP now it tells me my copy does not validate.

Those God Damn Motherfuckers. I'd put them 6 feet under if I could, the whole damn lot of them.
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Originally Posted by zoetmb View Post

Apple needed to get into retail because before the advent of the Apple stores, most third party retail did a really lousy job of presenting Apple products. And in retrospect, especially with the closing of CompUSA and Circuit City, it was a genius move, because imagine where Apple might be today if they didn't open their own retail and didn't have these chains to rely upon, as bad as they were.

While this is all true, Apple did not know it until Steve Jobs walked into a retail store and saw the sorry state of Apple retail. Yes, while the millions of "us" knew it, Apple didn't.

But the other major reason was OSX. Apple was still on OS 9 when the stores were first planned. They went to their developers and asked them to start making OSX software. The developers said that they were hardly making any money writing for 5% of the market. It looks like OS X will be even less. Who will buy our products? Apple said we will. We will open our own stores.

And Microsoft not coming up with anything on their own? Just look at their commercials. Their users say that Windows 7 was their idea. I believe it. Microsoft could not come up with any new ideas.
post #49 of 235
Folks who get their iPhone 4's at the Apple store on June 24th should walk in and take HD videos of all the empty space in the Microsoft store. And say "Gee, I wish there were this much empty space in the Apple store. It's so freakin' CROWDED over there!"

Also, "Hey, let's do the Electric Glide!"

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post #50 of 235
Microsoft is opening its fourth retail store in San Diego's Fashion Valley Mall


quite a lot for just one mall
post #51 of 235
I chuckle every time I read this one. Is it really a face off just because they are opening a store? I could see a new phone release, os release, something tangible, but these 2 events (release of a phone and opening a store) appear to be in different classes.
post #52 of 235
is actually a good marketing strategy. when a more popular movie is sold out its good to know you have a second choice. if MS did not open near an apple store, they might not be able to achieve the same level of success.
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Microsoft is opening its fourth retail store in San Diego's Fashion Valley Mall


quite a lot for just one mall

fashion valley is a huge sprawling mall.
post #54 of 235
Wow. That's like my grandmother showing up at my college toga party. Lame.
post #55 of 235
I am looking forward to the videos of the MS store opening, shot, edited, and uploaded from a FaceTime enabled iPhone 4.
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post #56 of 235
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Originally Posted by alangsam View Post

copy copy copy. they cant innovate so they copy (years late). Its a pattern repeated more often of late.

it's their business model (and lately of some other tech companies) to copy apple...
post #57 of 235
MS will fail miserably with their stores. They don't really have anything remotely interesting or even comparable to what Apple has to offer, both in terms of hardware and software.
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post #58 of 235
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The irony of course is that Rob Dyrdek is a HUGE Mac user. If you watch his show, it's all Macs. What a joke and stupid move on the part of the Microsloth!!

It is worse than that.

Rob Dyrdek is featured with Kirk Dianda on one of Apple's Pro Profiles. http://www.apple.com/pro/profiles/diandaanddyrdek/

and working on an iMac
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post #59 of 235
I keep wondering as have others on this thread, exactly what it is that MS Stores are supposed to provide that isn't already being provided quite well by others. Apple solved a real problem with their stores.

MS's unselfconscious duplication of Apple's successful formula makes them seem . . . I don't know, just silly. They may be copying the form, but not the function of an Apple Store. The one being divorced from the other makes them superfluous. The whole effect is a bit like a kid dressed up in his parent's clothes.

Perhaps that explains why, after a year and a half, there are still so very few stores. Were they successful by any measure, there would be nothing to keep MS from overwhelming Apple's stores with sheer numbers. I suspect they are adding a couple more just to keep up appearances, and to avoid the humiliation of admitting defeat.
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post #60 of 235
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Originally Posted by Askew View Post

So what does the Microsoft store sell exactly?

Buggy software

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Wait, what? Since when are lanyards iconic? I use one every day. It's called wearing an ID. Guess mine isn't cool and iconic though.

#1 - Wearing a lanyard ID at any old company is not the same as wearing one in retail, where they are less common. And the design is unique--not an off-the-shelf plastic sleeve provided by Staples or some business supply wholesaler.

#2 - It's not just the lanyard, but the entire look of an Apple Store employee. It IS very specific, unique, and identifiable with Apple. One might even fairly say, iconic.

#3 - Thanks for being an honest troll, advertising all your non-Apple hardware on your signature line. That's refreshing.

#4 - . . . and yes, yours is NOT cool and iconic enough.
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post #62 of 235
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MS's unselfconscious duplication of Apple's successful formula makes them seem . . . I don't know, just silly. They may be copying the form, but not the function of an Apple Store. The one being divorced from the other makes them superfluous. The whole effect is a bit like a kid dressed up in his parent's clothes.

What you have just described is the KIRF mentality. No competitor understands why the iMac, iPod, iPhone, and now, iPad is so successful, so they copy the visible things they can grasp and expect to get the same result. MS KIRFed the Apple store without considering that the Apple Mac and iOS experience is what people find so attractive, not just the tables. Many more manufacturers will copy the specs of the new iPhone, and as much of the design as they can get away with, yet, they will not have reproduced an iPhone. They will never understand that.
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post #63 of 235
You can copy the layout of a Ferrari dealership, but if the showroom is full of broken down Chevy's you shouldn't be surprised when people point and laugh instead of pulling out their wallets.
post #64 of 235
MS is totally shameless. Apple should sue them.
post #65 of 235
I still remember the grand opening of the first Apple store at Tyson's Corner Mall just outside of Washington DC back in 2001. I hadn't planned on going that day but my wife and I ended up at the mall anyway and there was a line of 300 people waiting to get into the store...at 4 o'clock in the afternoon. In those days, Apple was just selling Macs and the iPod was brand new.

It's amazing for a company that still has 93% PC marketshare can't get its userbase excited about anything.
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Originally Posted by jdsonice View Post

MS is totally shameless. Apple should sue them.

MS did open retail stores long before Apple was successful. Yes, they did close them and now they are re-entering but come on - a retail store is nothing that Apple invented! Childish

At leasts these stores from Microsoft do have a very cool 360° video installation
post #67 of 235
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Does anyone really care?

No, but I know what time it is.
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post #68 of 235
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I still remember the grand opening of the first Apple store at Tyson's Corner Mall just outside of Washington DC back in 2001. I hadn't planned on going that day but my wife and I ended up at the mall anyway and there was a line of 300 people waiting to get into the store...at 4 o'clock in the afternoon. In those days, Apple was just selling Macs and the iPod was brand new.

It's amazing for a company that still has 93% PC marketshare can't get its userbase excited about anything.

Why should they? They sell 7 copies of Windows 7 every second. It's the best selling OS in history (http://www.ithinkdiff.com/7-copies-o...-second-77772/)

Oh and they had a huge crowd at the opening of their first store. (http://www.destructoid.com/inside-mi...e-152794.phtml)

But this doesn't really matter, IMO.
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Originally Posted by Doug Halfen View Post

Well, in all fairness, you can use either spelling -- I personally prefer the "-ves" (like "leaves" or "wolves") because the "v" gives a bit more grit than the "f" sound -- which is kinda necessary when spitting out the following "s."

I'll go with J.R.R. Tolkien. Dwarfs

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>>> The first was opened 20 minutes away from an Apple Store in Scottsdale Arizona

Hummm... I don't think a 20 minute drive can be considered close. That's farther than from the beach to downtown L.A.

Maybe at 2 am. That 5 miles can take hours a lot of the time.

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Why should they? They sell 7 copies of Windows 7 every second. It's the best selling OS in history (http://www.ithinkdiff.com/7-copies-o...-second-77772/)

You'd think that with that kind of money they could do better than simply copying Apple.
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post #70 of 235
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You'd think that with that kind of money they could do better than simply copying Apple.

yes or at least learn how to copy well for once, because they suck at that too
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Originally Posted by doyourownthing View Post

yes or at least learn how to copy well for once, because they suck at that too

Thats your opinion. I think that their store design looks much better and they show more than just 5 products. I guess that playing around with the Surface tables and the Xboxes is interesting for people.
post #72 of 235
It would be funny if the line to get an iPhone 4 snaked through the MS Store!
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Pain and misery.

no kidding! i spent half a day with a friends laptop (using parallels) trying to download a windows xp (that she purchased a week ago). it crashed, then i got stuck in a loop with windows launching, but then not being able to find a 'winserv' driver.

i spent an additional 4 hours just trying to reinstall the operating systemto no avail.

i finally just removed everything and gave her back her laptop. she had a friend who was going to help her out with a tower he was giving her. she wrote back that she was going to install windows xp and an anti-virus software. i asked if it was going on the macbook pro. here is her response:

"it's not going on to the laptop, no way, no how.

After way too many hours we got Windows installed but we need to get on line to get the service pak. I hate Windows..."

this is a major reason why i love the mac so much. why is windows so so f'cking difficult?
post #74 of 235
Yeah, I live a couple miles away from this mall and I see that Microsoft store just sitting there lurking in the shadows of the apple store x] but Idk, I have no problem with them except for their Phone OS and their Vista/W7. I just don't understand the point, Best Buy is pretty much a Microsoft store already. Anything that this store could possibly sell is already at Best Buy. But who knows, maybe they will boost sales. (Doubt it)
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Give Microsoft credit for one thing - the store concept is so alien to their core business, direct customers and products that at least they haven't squandered zigabucks of their shareholders' money in a huge rollout. There's a reason for only four stores all this time after the original rollout. They don't understand how stores help them and all they can do is offer technical support for everybody else's hardware using their software. The way it's set up, it's not really a store; it's a display room and a consultancy rolled up into one. But who are the patrons? I don't think Microsoft really knows.

I've seen at least two huge businesses run into similar brick walls when they tried to open new store concepts. Remember Gateway, now practically disappeared from the computer scene? Once a promising direct sales competitor to Dell, they tried to goose their business with a huge and costly retail store expansion. For six years they squandered huge sums on locations that essentially sold only their own PC models, ultimately failing against the big box electronics category killers like Best Buy that offered much wider choices of brands and models. If Gateway was looking at Ford, Toyota and Cadillac to emulate, they were looking at the wrong product/marketing concept. They should have been warned off by the single-line TV retail stores of Muntz and Curtis Mathes.

Apple Stores succeeded by deliberate differentiation - by pushing an alternative computer concept that was superior in many ways to the IBM-Microsoft PC clones, and by inventing a wholly new portable music business with the iPod. The Apple Stores supported sales by offering customers experiences and information that they weren't getting about Apple products from the big box stores.

Many have forgotten the ill-fated foray of McDonald's into roast chicken dinners. First they tried to emulate the success of Boston Market (originally Boston Chicken) with a home-grown competitor. I know, because they opened up ONE retail test-bed store in my town, approximately 10 miles away from Mickey D world headquarters in Oak Brook, Illinois. They fooled around with the concept for a year or so before folding it. I was there one night when a table of young eager beavers sat at a corner table and rather vocally criticized how the operation was running. It soon became obvious that they were a young executive crew from Boston Chicken out on a scouting trip.

A few years later, in 2000, McDonald's ended up buying Boston Market, not having learned anything from its earlier experience. Seven years of sideways results finally convinced the hamburger guys that they should stick to their core competency, so once again BM was set out on its own.

The lessons? In corporate strategy, imitation is seldom the sincerest form of flattery. It's more likely the sincerest indicator of corporate shortsightedness, lack of imagination and irrational desperation at the top. Microsoft folks have probably learned enough already. If their retail stores make it another year, I'll be surprised.

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post #76 of 235
If this is such a non threat (Correct) why so many responses?
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Originally Posted by saarek View Post

Does anyone actually have any sales data to backup the stance that the MS stores aren't making money? If everyone is just assuming this fact we might find out later on that they're doing well.

I have been wondering the same thing since Microsoft took another stab at brick and mortar retail.

My gut tells me that, while these locations are not losing money, they are not very lucrative either and the reason is this. If Microsoft was making money, they would have a strong incentive to publish "some" information to that effect. Any positive data would help to drive up the stock value.

If Microsoft were losing money, they would be absolutely silent about the venture until they quietly killed it.

That fact that we've heard very little, but they're still opening stores tells me that they are right in the middle.
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Originally Posted by ghostface147 View Post

They all copy from each other. Some more than others, but hopefully you don't believe that Apple always creates things first. I would say it's fact that Apple takes existing technology and just implements it better. They still copy the initial idea from somewhere.

That by definition is not copying.
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Pain and misery.

LOL precisely!
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If this is such a non threat (Correct) why so many responses?

Because people like to laugh?
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