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No, it's not a 'laptop' choice, it's a new type of device for those who cannot afford and do not need a high powered laptop. Is a pushbike an automobile choice for those who can't afford a car?

And no, the desktop is not dead.

I'd argue that the desktop could find a revival with this new tablet segment coming to existence. Many probably can get more mobility and more machine at a lower price by buying a tablet and a desktop.

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I'd argue that the desktop could find a revival with this new tablet segment coming to existence. Many probably can get more mobility and more machine at a lower price by buying a tablet and a desktop. ...

I think this is exactly where the computer market is headed. Laptops will become, once again, mostly for true "road warriors": people who actually, really need to do seriously processor intensive stuff on the road: graphic artists using photoshop, programmers who need to run IDEs and compile code, spreadsheet warriors, and the like, and that doesn't include that many people. It does not, for instance include a programmer who is on vacation and at most needs to log into a server to edit a script. It doesn't include a photographer who just wants to review the days camera shoot. It doesn't include someone who needs to give a presentation and check her email.
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Wait, if numbers are so important than the iPhone 4 has just a 5 MP camera instead of the common 8 MP we see now in the industry. Oh, wait, Steve Jobs says the iPhone 4 camera is better than the others...

App Store for iPad has 10,000 apps and the iPhone has over 100,000! More than any other app store. Steve Jobs says the more apps, the better!

That's an erroneous comparison. Having more pixels aren'g giving you more choices. IOW, you aren't getting the option to sift through pixels to find the one that suits your needs for the photo.

Jobs clearly stated that to achieve higher pixels they would have had to shrink the pixels. This makes the device more marketable for those that don't understand the basics of how these cameras work, but it doesn't make the picture better and can introduce noise to the image (or so I'm told).

Using the appropriate sensors are what can give you a better image. Jobs said that is what they focused on with the iPhone 4 camera. Of course, you can't put the type of sensor on a spec sheet for marketing so you aren't going to find that data even if a vendor is using a quality design. We'll just have to wait for the inevitable image comparisons to see if Jobs was being truthful or using a clever marketing spin and half-truthes.


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Actually the Evo battery life isn't all that bad. Like with any smartphone if you understand how to manage your device that makes a world of difference.

Looks pretty bad to me, or at least inconvenient. '3G' talk time is 7 hours but since it's a CDMA phone it still uses the '2G' network for the call (which is fine because it uses a better voice algorithm than GSM's '2G'). And since it's not EV-DO Rev. B there is no simultaneous data.

That is hours less than the iPhone 4 on '2G' and the same on '3G'.

The problem is when you turn on '4G'. I've read at least review that showed a drop in talk time down to 3.5 hours. To me, that is unacceptable for a feature that is touted in the name of the device. That pretty much means the user has to keep '4G' turned off to use the device.

I remember when the original iPhone and iPhone 3G came out. People complained that the battery was shit, even saying that their old phone was better, yet every comparison I read showed the iPhone besting other phones expect for CMDA Blackberries when comparing '3G' talk time for the above stated reasons. The issue seems to be that the iPhone is more useful than other phones, but people just didn't realize how much more they were using it to surf the web and whatnot.


I find it interesting that other smartphone vendors aren't focusing much on media usage with their phones. It can be hard to find specs showing internet and media playback times.
iPhone 4
Talk time:
Up to 7 hours on 3G
Up to 14 hours on 2G

Standby time: Up to 300 hours

Internet use:
Up to 6 hours on 3G
Up to 10 hours on Wi-Fi

Video playback: Up to 10 hours
Audio playback: Up to 40 hours
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post #84 of 130
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Originally Posted by str1f3 View Post

This not Apple's fault. How do you search for good music on iTunes? How about a music store? The answer is you can't. You go on word of mouth. When you're dealing with this much content, there are some that will get lost in the fold. It is up to the devs to promote their product.

For me an example of this is Air Video. I found about this through an App of the Day website before most knew about this app. I follow many Mac sites and no one mentioned it. Then, all of a sudden, it blew up. To me, it is one of the top 10 apps on the App Store.

You can't be serious!

Was looking at a pilot using a flight planning app. Tried to find it through iTunes on the desk and iPad. No luck. Thought I remembered the name "flight plan", but it was really myPlan or something. What category was it under? Weather!

Searching is useless, as is browsing. They should not allow the different editions of the same program take up space when browsing. They should have an advanced search tool, where you can drill down into details such as price range, publisher, etc.

If your needs are anything other than the top 36 apps, it is impossible to find anything, or to browse and be inspired. It is nothing that any other online merchant schlepping thousands of products hasn't figured out already!
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You can't be serious!

Was looking at a pilot using a flight planning app. Tried to find it through iTunes on the desk and iPad. No luck. Thought I remembered the name "flight plan", but it was really myPlan or something. What category was it under? Weather!

Searching is useless, as is browsing. They should not allow the different editions of the same program take up space when browsing. They should have an advanced search tool, where you can drill down into details such as price range, publisher, etc.

If your needs are anything other than the top 36 apps, it is impossible to find anything, or to browse and be inspired. It is nothing that any other online merchant schlepping thousands of products hasn't figured out already!

I strongly agree with this point. Apple needs to do some major work on the App store to make apps more discoverable. The current organizational structure is seriously deficient.

This is like in the very early days of the web. At one time there were a couple of sites that listed the new web sites that had come on line recently and you could pretty much keep up with what was going on that way. Fairly quickly, that got to be overwhelming and more organized directories popped up, which were useful to find things. In short order, though, the directories just couldn't keep up, except for special case, targeted directories, and the rise of the search engines came about. Now, directories are pretty much out of date as soon as they're updated and finding anything requires a good search engine, often even on individual websites.

I'd say the App Store has reached the size and rate of growth where the current directory approach just doesn't work anymore, for users or developers. The search capabilities need to be seriously improved, or an entirely new scheme for discovering apps implemented. I also think they should start rejecting apps for miscategorization and misleading keywords.
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You can't be serious!

Was looking at a pilot using a flight planning app. Tried to find it through iTunes on the desk and iPad. No luck. Thought I remembered the name "flight plan", but it was really myPlan or something. What category was it under? Weather!

Searching is useless, as is browsing. They should not allow the different editions of the same program take up space when browsing. They should have an advanced search tool, where you can drill down into details such as price range, publisher, etc.

If your needs are anything other than the top 36 apps, it is impossible to find anything, or to browse and be inspired. It is nothing that any other online merchant schlepping thousands of products hasn't figured out already!

While I agree that they need a much more robust search system in the App Store I don't think the situation is that dire.

Everything you mention can be done on Google, Bing and Yahoo and i guarantee that the product you were looking for is accessible from those search engines and likely reviewed.

PS: If you're like me, you get sent to iTunes Preview quite often because you use an internet search engine to find apps or are reading an app review found via your RSS, but you hate that iTunes Preview always launches iTunes instead of actually letting you preview it in the browser. If you are running Safari 5 there is now an extension that keep iTunes from opening automatically.
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I'd say the App Store has reached the size and rate of growth where the current directory approach just doesn't work anymore, for users or developers. The search capabilities need to be seriously improved, or an entirely new scheme for discovering apps implemented. I also think they should start rejecting apps for miscategorization and misleading keywords.

Could you give us some examples?
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

That just goes to show that paper specs and real life application are two very different things. Something that is often argued here when defending Apple.

I remember when the iPhone was still without any real smartphone competition like it has now with Android. Specifically I recall sitting in a movie theater waiting for some premiere to start and everyone who had a phone out, actively using it, had an iPhone. Surely it wasn't the only phone in the place but it was certainly the most actively used.

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I know for you battery life is a key point its the reason you went with the new 13" MBP and its something you talk about alot so I know for you that is something you look for. There were other options the Evo offered for me that pushed me over in that direction.

Personally, I probably won't ever be satisfied with battery life on my mobile devices. They are all well under the time I think they should be to be "ideal", but we are still at the beginning of mobile computing. Think about a watch battery.

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A few other factors being truly unlimited data and being an IBM employee 25% off my family plan each month.

I used to work for IBM Global Network Services up until AT&T bought them out in 1999. At that point AT&T didn't think they needed to retain IBM's CCIEs. In their defense I was paid way too much and technically a contractor so I can see why they wanted to trim the fat after the purchase. We were still using Token Ring and BNC connectors in 1999. lol
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post #89 of 130
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You can't be serious!

Was looking at a pilot using a flight planning app. Tried to find it through iTunes on the desk and iPad. No luck. Thought I remembered the name "flight plan", but it was really myPlan or something. What category was it under? Weather!

Searching is useless, as is browsing. They should not allow the different editions of the same program take up space when browsing. They should have an advanced search tool, where you can drill down into details such as price range, publisher, etc.

If your needs are anything other than the top 36 apps, it is impossible to find anything, or to browse and be inspired. It is nothing that any other online merchant schlepping thousands of products hasn't figured out already!

Even if you have advanced search by the criteria you mentioned you will still end up with at least 200 results in any given category for anything below the $7 mark. Even after you get the results you still won't know which is the best app for you because you won't be going through the details for every app and iTunes reviews are almost meaningless. I can almost guarantee that 80% of all users will never use this feature anyway. It's too much trouble. This is not even counting what would only be an even worse experience on the iPhone.

As for the example you mentioned, I would think that it's the developer who chooses the category and not Apple. I may be wrong though.

Anonymouse mentions the progression of the search engine, and while I think Google is a really good search engine, even that is still "not there". If you are looking for a specific kind of app for your needs, you will be spending hours sifting through search results and most of them will not lead to application results but aggregate app sites and forum posts.

The issue to me is not that the App Store needs a better way to find apps. The only exploring I do on the App Store are the top10 lists. The issue seems to be finding the quality apps through a lot of the garbage residing in the App Store. The burden is on developers to push their app if they really believe in it.
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As long as you need a desktop to load up and sync your iPad, no.

dunno about all that but a cube or mini does the same and a white MB has great power >>more power than any mac from 5 yrs ago .
and MBP 17 >> 15 " HIGHEND MODELS are rockectship blasters ///.

seems like we could buy a combines 4 pcs mac system for 5k
i iphone 4
i ipad 2nd gen
1 ipod 160g
1 mbp 15" 2 gpu 3.02 ghz
one 46"samsung plasma screen or 20 " sony oled screen
i bose radio for each room
one ATV to bind them under darkness in mordor
where the shawdow's lie


sadly english is my first lang


peace

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I would have to agree but begrudgingly. This is the first generation of apps. They will get better. There are a few high quality apps like Omnigraffle but I wonder where are the Mac dev apps?

Where is PDFpen, Acorn, Pixelmator, Transmit, Picturesque, Skitch, Notebook, etc.? Hopefully these are actively being developed. I would also expect an iMovie for iPad and GarageBand (though Apple may have to allow full access to the iPod app).

The iPhone and iPad are still in their infancy with lots of room to grow and improve. Apple continues to prove that they can pull off intelligent iterative evolution of their products, so continue to expect great things.

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Jeebus!!! How long has the ipad been out? Can we give it a half year? A year? If patience is a virtue...I don't even want go there.

Relax, take a deep breath. If you are a technofile you have it pretty damn good with these iDevices right now. The Telecoms are another story.

What are the odds that if Apple never moves to another wireless network in the US, they turn around and BUY AT&T.

I could actually imagine this scenario and it could make sense.

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What are the odds that if Apple never moves to another wireless network in the US, they turn around and BUY AT&T.

I could actually imagine this scenario and it could make sense.

The chances are close to zero.

Also, if they want to own such a junky business, why would they want to do it only in the US? If not only in the US, are you suggesting that they would get into telecom services globally?
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Jobs clearly stated that to achieve higher pixels they would have had to shrink the pixels. This makes the device more marketable for those that don't understand the basics of how these cameras work, but it doesn't make the picture better and can introduce noise to the image (or so I'm told).

Using the appropriate sensors are what can give you a better image. Jobs said that is what they focused on with the iPhone 4 camera. Of course, you can't put the type of sensor on a spec sheet for marketing so you aren't going to find that data even if a vendor is using a quality design. We'll just have to wait for the inevitable image comparisons to see if Jobs was being truthful or using a clever marketing spin and half-truthes.

Yeah, my complaint is that geeks usually don't seem to understand cameras, people that went to the effort to learn about pipelining, cores, functional units don't seem to apply that level of understanding to inquiring how cameras work. In all frankness, I don't think I understood cameras five years ago. Anyway, comparing two devices with just one number can result in the less optimal choice. There are sites dedicated to comparing and understanding cameras to the same detail as the computer hardware sites.
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In all frankness, I don't think I understood cameras five years ago.

Matching your frankness, I still don't know much about cameras, but I do know that megapixels is far from the only factor when choosing a good camera.

We see this same scenario when people compare Macs to PCs to show how overpriced Apple's products are.
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post #96 of 130
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No, it's not a 'laptop' choice, it's a new type of device for those who cannot afford and do not need a high powered laptop. Is a pushbike an automobile choice for those who can't afford a car?

Apple haven't tried to strangle anything, why would they have ported iWork if they didn't want people to create basic content on the thing. My point is that this will never be a high end content creation device with the current spec, it's relatively inexpensive because it has lower powered components which cost less to mass produce and place into this type of product. It's not a top end replacement, it's a new way of doing what 90% of the population need to do on their 'computer' - music, web, email, video, casual game play and reading - a media consumption device, however the boundaries are pushed, the A4 processor is not going to edit billboard size images at 300dpi in photoshop, for that you need a high power desktop...

And no, the desktop is not dead.

yes delete out from your fine feathered post the word
HIGH END

ad the ipad with numbers and pages will suffice to do enough computing for most of the planet
the a4 does iphoto i movie i tunes well enough i surmise
as the ipad grows up in power nad connection to coud computing
NO ONE TRULY needs both a MBP And an IPAD if your strapped for cash
a 160g ipod can hold most of your media file
a white plastic mb can hold more
even a shared mini can do triple time in a family of 3
one mini back up and 3 ipads
vs a 3 mbp's ???
add the iphone 4 stuff ands my mind boogles at the over lapping stuff betwixt all the apple products

and late late at night in bed you can still not sleep you whip out your ipad >>> laydown and watch some video podcast or a tv show ..... while sleep over takes you
try that with a MBP .. or mini
>>>>the desk top is dead ..
the desk top can be 8 mini's stacked yes sirrreeeee

but with a4 chips
with GCS AND other new low power apple computing
with 2 or 3 or 4 gpu chips sharing work loads
we do not need a cray anymore to rendered high end stuff

the desktop killed it self
the clouds will be the final knife


i would love a ipad
i just can't see it beating my 2 chip mbp
yet on my 1 hr subway ferry commute i see more and more ipads poping up
that one hand rerading gameplaying movie watching looks cool


apple has given us too many choices




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I'd argue that the desktop could find a revival with this new tablet segment coming to existence. Many probably can get more mobility and more machine at a lower price by buying a tablet and a desktop.

PS: Where the heck has brucep been hiding?


I also think this is a possibility. My MBP is three years old now, and when I replace it next year I'm planning on getting an iMac and an iPad instead of a laptop.
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Looks pretty bad to me, or at least inconvenient. '3G' talk time is 7 hours but since it's a CDMA phone it still uses the '2G' network for the call (which is fine because it uses a better voice algorithm than GSM's '2G'). And since it's not EV-DO Rev. B there is no simultaneous data.

That is hours less than the iPhone 4 on '2G' and the same on '3G'.

The problem is when you turn on '4G'. I've read at least review that showed a drop in talk time down to 3.5 hours. To me, that is unacceptable for a feature that is touted in the name of the device. That pretty much means the user has to keep '4G' turned off to use the device.

I remember when the original iPhone and iPhone 3G came out. People complained that the battery was shit, even saying that their old phone was better, yet every comparison I read showed the iPhone besting other phones expect for CMDA Blackberries when comparing '3G' talk time for the above stated reasons. The issue seems to be that the iPhone is more useful than other phones, but people just didn't realize how much more they were using it to surf the web and whatnot.


I find it interesting that other smartphone vendors aren't focusing much on media usage with their phones. It can be hard to find specs showing internet and media playback times.
iPhone 4
Talk time:
Up to 7 hours on 3G
Up to 14 hours on 2G

Standby time: Up to 300 hours

Internet use:
Up to 6 hours on 3G
Up to 10 hours on Wi-Fi

Video playback: Up to 10 hours
Audio playback: Up to 40 hours

A couple of takes on the device.

http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/29/htc-evo-4g/

Of course, you can read the title, but fair.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3763/s...st-impressions

Again, the battery life really sucks. If you have to turn off not only 4G (which is why you bought the phone, right?), but GPS, WiFi, and Bluetooth to get through the day, why did you buy this in the first place?

Admittedly, there are some pretty good reviews, but they all talk about bad battery life, esp. with 4G on, but even, though less so, with it turned off. I think that the good reviews should take one star off their ratings because of the crappy battery life. Who wants to have to monitor all their phones functions just to get through the day? You have to do that here. Just wait until Flash gets on this model.
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That just goes to show that paper specs and real life application are two very different things. Something that is often argued here when defending Apple.

In any case, I own a MBP, iPad and iPod Touch so something different seemed in order. An iPhone would have felt kind of repetitive.

Also with the Evo it comes with one charging plug that you can put in an outlet and doubles as a USB charger so you can simply plug into any 2.0 USB and allow it to charge. Add a car charger for 15.00 and I think I am pretty much covered.

I know for you battery life is a key point its the reason you went with the new 13" MBP and its something you talk about alot so I know for you that is something you look for. There were other options the Evo offered for me that pushed me over in that direction.

A few other factors being truly unlimited data and being an IBM employee 25% off my family plan each month.

Except that Apple's battery specs are pretty much met or exceeded with its phones and Touches.

As you know, we get pretty much the same kind of charger with the iPhone, so the iPhone still has battery life advantages.
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Yeah, my complaint is that geeks usually don't seem to understand cameras, people that went to the effort to learn about pipelining, cores, functional units don't seem to apply that level of understanding to inquiring how cameras work. In all frankness, I don't think I understood cameras five years ago. Anyway, comparing two devices with just one number can result in the less optimal choice. There are sites dedicated to comparing and understanding cameras to the same detail as the computer hardware sites.

It's true. There's very little understanding of how cameras work, or what makes a good image (or the True visual acuity of the human eye in all its complexity).
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Originally Posted by Onhka View Post

Could you give us some examples?

I don't think this is a case where examples are necessary. It's simply a frustrating experience, at least for some number of people, searching for things in the store.

But there is too much emphasis on top lists, and the current category setup is just to simplistic for 200K+ items, and search not good enough to have any confidence that you've found all the possibilities of what you're looking for, or too many results to wade through.
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I also think this is a possibility. My MBP is three years old now, and when I replace it next year I'm planning on getting an iMac and an iPad instead of a laptop.

And that would be a very good idea for many people. I'm finding my iPad to be a very useful device, much more useful than people who don't have one imagine. There are some things for which it's clumsy, and some things for which it simply isn't suited for. But for 80% of what might be done on a laptop for work or play, it often does it better than that laptop.
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Of course, you can read the title, but fair.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3763/s...st-impressions

Again, the battery life really sucks. If you have to turn off not only 4G (which is why you bought the phone, right?), but GPS, WiFi, and Bluetooth to get through the day, why did you buy this in the first place?

Speaking of AnandTech (which I'm sure you've read already, but others haven't) is there latest review of the 13" MBP. There are some commenters "threatening" to stop reading AT if they continue to post articles about Apple products. They vehemently hate anything Apple produces for no other reason than it's produced by Apple. It's pretty funny stuff.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3762/a...cpugpu-balance
Also, the Nokia N900 they reviewed tells me Nokia still isn't close to "getting it". In order to use the FM radio you have to enable Bluetooth. This is something I keep disabled because it is a battery drain and a potential access point to my phone.

One argument is that it's because they are on the same chip. While that's true, that is no excuse for poor driver support. Apple and most mobile vendors use chips that contain WiFi + BT and both aren't required to be on to use one.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3764/t...motorola-droid
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Speaking of AnandTech (which I'm sure you've read already, but others haven't) is there latest review of the 13" MBP. There are some commenters "threatening" to stop reading AT if they continue to post articles about Apple products. They vehemently hate anything Apple produces for no other reason than it's produced by Apple. It's pretty funny stuff.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3762/a...cpugpu-balance
Also, the Nokia N900 they reviewed tells me Nokia still isn't close to "getting it". In order to use the FM radio you have to enable Bluetooth. This is something I keep disabled because it is a battery drain and a potential access point to my phone.

One argument is that it's because they are on the same chip. While that's true, that is no excuse for poor driver support. Apple and most mobile vendors use chips that contain WiFi + BT and both aren't required to be on to use one.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3764/t...motorola-droid

Yeah, I've read those. I like Anandtech, but you're right, some of the posters are still in retarded mode. Ars Technica still gets posters saying that they have too much Apple related articles. PC Weenies are still out in force. As I said on another thread, they hated the Mac and its users when Apple was small and used mostly by pros. Now they hate Apple and its users because Apple is big and many of their PC using friends have moved over to it. They still have that inferiority complex. We get the overflow here sometimes.
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I know just by your posts battery life is a high priority for you and in many cases it is for me also. Like you I just recently went with a new MBP 13", the main factor was battery life.

The only two smartphones that I would put in the same catagory as the iPhone would be the Nexus One and the Evo. I wouldn't even put the HTC Incredible there because of its OLED screen which is next to useless in the sun.

I would say the new iPhone overal is still going to be a better device and the software still beats our Android in some cases but like I said I think I just wanted to try something new having so many other Apple products.

The Evo is fun and I am not sorry I got it at all, however if in the next month I decide differnetly Sprint has a 30 test drive where I can return it get all my money back, cancel my contract with no ETF at all. So my desire to test something out was kind of a win/win situation with the new iPhone not released yet.

Well I started out at 19 with GE Capital in Stamford CT and after a few years they moved my division to Atlanta and soon after that we were outsourced to IBM Global Services. Only thing that really changed for me was who signed my check....lol. Token Ring I remember that term very well. Working on the OS side I remember my first big class was on something called DASD Fast Write, which was nothing more then Cache....lol.

The best thing was Token Ring over Ethernet. Now, that was a laugh!
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Yeah, I've read those. I like Anandtech, but you're right, some of the posters are still in retarded mode. Ars Technica still gets posters saying that they have too much Apple related articles. PC Weenies are still out in force. As I said on another thread, they hated the Mac and its users when Apple was small and used mostly by pros. Now they hate Apple and its users because Apple is big and many of their PC using friends have moved over to it. They still have that inferiority complex. We get the overflow here sometimes.

Well said.
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How you can tell the Evo is a true contender is battery life is the only knock anyone has been able to give it at this point. That was even the best SJ could do.

I think it's a major issue with any portable device so it's a good one to focus on when choosing a device or comparing it unfavorably to the device you prefer. However, it's not the only knock I could give it.

In comparison to smartphones in general I think it's too big. It's also too heavy but that is a more minor point. I think it had to be bigger to accommodate the WiMAX chip and the needed battery; I can't imagine they wanted it to be that big from the start.

Another issue, as already discussed and partially a sub-issue of the battery, is marketing a feature that can't really be used if you want to maintain decent "industry standard" battery life.

Potentially another issue is the lowering of the pixel density while its former brethren use the same aspect ratio and resolution on smaller displays. This is also a plus in that apps aren't going to need a rewrite to work properly, so this is a wash, IMO.

I think the 1.3Mpx front-facing camera is an issue, but if it uses VGA resolution for video chatting then that is fine. I just don't think we've grown to a point that you can have real time video conferencing with that resolution. For still pics and personal video that would be fine, but I can see many just flipping the device to get 8Mpx stills and 720p video. Why only 720p@25fps, not 30fps?

As we've already discussed, Sense UI has it's pros and cons. Some areas they improve over te Android UI and in others they completely ruin it. It's almost like there are two teams working on it that never interact with each other.

Potentially another issue is Qualcomm Adreno 200 over the PowerVR used in the 3GS. I recall it being less powerful, and that's compared to last year's iPhone. What will the iPhone 4 have?
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Actually that information is a bit off. You have a screen on the Evo where you can turn all those off and set it so when your device needs to access. 4G it will do so and then turn it off when not needed.

Switching those on and off is a main screen menu that you can access with one swipe of your finger.

On the sprint site which is all that should matter because those are actual owners reviews the Evo gets a 4.8 out of 5 stars with 214 reviews in a few days.

However if there is a weak point battery life would be it but the phone and the Android OS really helps you manage that issue and turns it for me into a non issue. But I still have three weeks to decide if it stays a non issue.

Since the phone is still new, it's fair to say that just like for Apple's products when they first come out, that there's a lot of, ah, should we say, "fanboy" purchasing? Not all, of course, but much more than with later buyers. I would expect a greater percentage of them to be satisfied.

The idea of having to turn features off and on just for the purpose of saving battery life, especially the 4G, is a pain that shouldn't exist at all. The only thing I have off on my iPhone is the Bluetooth, because I just don't use it, but I know a lot of people who do. I don't turn off the WiFi and I get through the day, and most of the evening, except for the "crazy" days. I'm sure you know what I mean by that.
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I do understand what you mean and I am not saying that battery life is not important. But damn I just needed something new to play around with....lol. Like I said before the main reason I got this phone is its a great phone for the most part and with all the other Apple stuff I have I just simply wanted to try something different.

I'm NOT knocking your reasons. We all like to try new toys. I've got a friend with more money than sense, and he's got contracts with all four carriers here. He just buys new phones to play with them. If he doesn't like them, he throws them into a drawer, after asking me if I want to play with it for a few days. I get a lot of new junk to try out that way.

I thought I was bad, but he saves me a lot of money that way. I just wish he would do it with software, so I wouldn't have to buy so much of that.
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See some of the things you see as a disadvantage I see as an advantage. I like the extra size and it still fits in my pocket just fine.

Of course, there is no one-size-fits-all gadget.

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As far as the Wimax of course for me that is an advantage because I get full 4G all the time with speeds around 4mbps.

I wonder what the upload rate will be on both EV-DO and WiMAX. A big benefit of the iPhone 4 is the 5.8Mbps HSUPA.

Also, I don't think Sprint will hold this fast speed for very long. AT&T has already deployed 14.4Mbps HSPA in many cities and I and others have gotten over 3Mbps on our current iPhones.

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One other thing I noticed via a speedtest is this phone actually takes full advantage of my WiFi. I have 30meg service at home and I get triple the download speed compared to my daughters iPhone. I would assume that has something to do with the antenna.

That's good, the iPhones have never taken full advantage of WiFi and I'm not sure why. They do have 802.11b/g/n now while the EVO 4G seems to still be at 802.11b/g. While that looks like another negative it's possible Apple is leaning toward power savings and the 30Mbps on the EVO 4G could be better than what the 802.11n rate is. We'll have to wait and see.

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Another feature I like is the hdmi output. I ripped a dvd to my Evo and simply plugged it into my HTDV and it looked great. Can't simply do that with an iPhone. A simple app sync all my itunes music and synced all my pictures and non DRM video. So its not like it makes things harder for me.

HandBrake is a great free app for ripping DVDs to H.264 and the iPhone should be able to play that 640x480 video without issue out of the component cables from an iDevice. It's not HDMI, which would be a nice option to have especially since iTunes content is DRMed, but they can't even offer a mDP-to-HDMI adapter so I wouldn't hold your breath.

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We often talk about the average user, the average users isn't going to know or notice anything when it comes to 25-30fps. I am an avid gamer and my eye can't tell the difference.

True, just pointing it out and wondering why they didn't go with the standard 30fps.

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As far as a camera to be honest I am not sure I use my cell phone cam once a year.

Me neither. In fact, I'd love an option to not have a camera in my phone.


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I do understand what you mean and I am not saying that battery life is not important. But damn I just needed something new to play around with....lol. Like I said before the main reason I got this phone is its a great phone for the most part and with all the other Apple stuff I have I just simply wanted to try something different.

I don't think anyone here is knocking you for testing it out. I've done the same with plenty of gadgets over the years, though lately I have stopped. I guess I'm just getting old. I'm almost halfway through the average lifespan.
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Typing isn't all that easy either unless your resting it on your legs.

How else do people type on tablets/laptops? Do you hold your laptop in the air while typing on it?
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Typing isn't all that easy either unless your resting it on your legs.

If you're going to be doing a lot of typing in various environments the case they sell is quite nice for that. If you are going to be using it at a desk then the dock with a BT keyboard of the dock with a keyboard are solutions one can use.


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How else do people type on tablets/laptops? Do you hold your laptop in the air while typing on it?

While I'm typing this on my MBP in bed with my legs propped up I'd say that most notebooks are probably used on a desk or desk-like surface.
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Yeah I have a friend like that where just about every month he is getting a new phone and paying full retail for it. I love technology as much as the next guy but that gets to the point of being insane.

Not sure if I would have went for the Evo if I didn't know I had 30 days to give it a good try and could break out of my contract with nothing lost. So far I enjoy the phone but you can be sure that the day I can get my hands on a new iPhone I will be testing that out and making sure the Evo is really the right phone for me.

Unlike Solip who I think travels alot, my mobile isn't a big issue for me, however it would be next to impossible for me to give up my MBP because I carry that thing around everywhere. So the new battery life on that along with the other upgrades was a nice bump for me.

My iPad I am still on the fence about. Still hard for me to get use to holding it and I am still always afraid its going to slip out of my hands. Typing isn't all that easy either unless your resting it on your legs.

The thing that bothers me about the phone is still the battery life with 4G. 4G is the big selling point. If you only get 2 hours or so of battery with it on, it just seems to be an idea whose time has not yet come. I just don't like having to think about turning things on or off. It should just work. I expect that second generation models will have that more under control. I could understand if the service was twice as fast. but from reviews, it seems to be about 25% faster. That's good, but not startling.

I'm finding my iPad to be one of the best purchases I've ever made. I suppose it depends on how you use it, but I like to try a lot of software. With my computer, I tend to think of any program that's under $50 as being free. With this, if it's $5 then I don't think about the purchase if it looks interesting. I've already got 9 screens filled up. Some are just to demo to others, but the breath of programs is amazing already. even though a few are saying that there's little good or interesting, I say they're wrong. Those people seem to have a very narrow interest level. Already, there are programs that cover the spectrum. And as when comparing programs to Android phones, I find programs that have little or not equivalents n that platform, and a lot of programs there seem more primitive and less well done. Maybe it's because of the fractured environment there, or perhaps it's because Android buyers buy half as many paid apps to free apps than iPhone buyers do. I don't know.

I find typing on it to be a bit more difficult, mostly because I either hit the keyboard docking button on the lower right side, or because I hit the ABC key on the right side. I don't know why the ABC keys have to be where they are, or so big. It seems to me that they and the keyboard dock key should be out of the way on the top. Otherwise, it's fine. I even got used to the swipe for the apostrophe. I can type with one hand with the iPad on a forearm, like you need to do with Windows 7 tablets. I suppose we will need to do that with any tablet. At least it's light and small, unlike the older Windows models which are 5 or more pounds. But you should be sitting, then it's easy.
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Of course not but you can put it on a flat surface and type. Try doing that with an iPad. Even in the store they have then on little stands that are slanted just right. Put an iPad on a table or floor and you can spin it across the room like a top.

Sure, but as Sol already mentioned, there are cases. Apple's case is very good. Bend the front part around the back and slip into the slot provided, and the device sits solidly and just at the proper angle for typing. you can stand it up to look at video if you prefer it that way. It really works well. All other tablets will be somewhat similar. Even flat ones will need a bit of angle.
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Sure, but as Sol already mentioned, there are cases. Apple's case is very good. Bend the front part around the back and slip into the slot provided, and the device sits solidly and just at the proper angle for typing. you can stand it up to look at video if you prefer it that way. It really works well. All other tablets will be somewhat similar. Even flat ones will need a bit of angle.

And the smartly went with (waited for?) a 10" IPS display that would also get them a good amount of usage time. I can't imagine the other tablets coming to market promoting their higher resolution but using a cheap TN display to do it. I wish the backlit was brighter on the iPad but you can't argue with the panel choice. It's pretty stunning.
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And the smartly went with (waited for?) a 10" IPS display that would also get them a good amount of usage time. I can't imagine the other tablets coming to market promoting their higher resolution but using a cheap TN display to do it. I wish the backlit was brighter on the iPad but you can't argue with the panel choice. It's pretty stunning.

I generally have it turned down 50%. I then turn the readers down another 30% or so. I find it to be much brighter than needed, except outdoors, where I do turn it up more.
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10,000 apps and not one good way to sort through them...


Could Google put something together?
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If Apple is about quality over numbers then the App Store is still in serious need of a diet. Cut more of the fat, Apple. There are plenty of waste of space and time apps that don't belong in a quality conscious store.


I agree completely.
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What exactly do you expect from an application that is commonly priced at $4.99?

High quality leading to vast sales?
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...that you have a corresponding BETTER chance of having some truly great apps, merely from statistical probability.

McDonalds has served billions, but I'm not sure that they have any truly great burgers.
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