Originally Posted by BR
Yup, I'm just a macho right winger. You know, the socialist, science minded, anti-war right winger. Of course. You have me pegged there sego.
You support one. You post support for manifestos written by one. You are happy to be labelled the same as one.
If it walks like a duck...but then I did say you were probably unaware of it.
How about this...when I can draw a picture of Mohammad without getting death threats, Islam can be a peaceful religion.
Like now for example. Islam has been drawing pictures of Muhammad for 1500 years.One Of Hundreds of Examples Chosen At Random
This is again where atheism shades into right-wing politics. At least Harris is honest about it and therefore his position is consistent. Yours is more shaky.
You see there are a few nutters in Islam who WOULD kill you for drawing Muhammad. They would kill other Muslims too. But they are not Islam and never have been - hence the thousands of pictures of Muhammad that exist.
So to argue that these nutters ARE Islam you HAVE to engage in the classic right-wing debate of how many 'a few' actually is - a thousand? Ten thousand? A million?
Maybe you think that is ALL Muslims? That's 1.57 billion more or less.
So how many is it? 1.57 billion ready to kill? Or 50%? 25% ?
You like facts and 'proof' - name your figure.
Then tell me that represents ALL ISLAM (or just evade as usual - probably safer) but the fact is you can't. Only right-wing xenophobe non-thinkers can do that. And to argue it you need to align yourself with them.....align yourself with the Right-wing Fundie US Xians you calim to despise (though who Harris wants to work together with), align yourself with right-wing racist fascists like Geert Wilders...
And you claim to be a Socialist.
Please don't insult my intelligence. And don't insult yourself - accept your bedfellows or reject them - just don't obfuscate or excuse. You're better than that.
I want to hear these moderate Muslims denouncing the shit out of all the terrible violent shit that is perpetrated under the name of Islam.
No you don't.
You don't want to hear that at all. Because then that would torpedo your 'religion is evil' argument.
Until then, the only real threat I see is coming from them, not me.
There's a saying in Arabic: the canal carries water but does not itself drink.
Every genocidal system needs people who were 'just following orders' or 'did not know what was happening'.
The facilitators. I know them when I see them.
Meanwhile you spread the lie that - up to you to put a percentage or number you think is accurate - Islam is a threat to you and your desired cartoon Muhammad-drawing activities.
Why don't you just tell it like it is..wait...we already know....