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post #321 of 379
6/16/10 at 3:04pm
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Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post

Well, I see you're up to your old tricks again. Let's review:

1. You're always wrong.

2. You're not as smart as you think you are.

3. See 1.

Others having reduced your argument to a tiny heap of rubble, nothing more needs to be said.

Nice rebuttal. I see you excelled in debate.
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post #322 of 379
6/16/10 at 4:05pm
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Originally Posted by minderbinder View Post

Could the company be any more tone deaf to what consumers want when it comes to this model?

The above is stated incorrectly.

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Could the company be any more tone deaf to what I want when it comes to this model?

FTFY
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post #323 of 379
6/16/10 at 4:09pm
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Originally Posted by tonton View Post

The above is stated incorrectly.
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Could the company be any more tone deaf to what I want when it comes to this model?

FTFY

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post #324 of 379
6/16/10 at 4:43pm
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Originally Posted by SSquirrel View Post

Speaking for myself, I would like to have seen Apple move away from c2d and IGPs, but the i3 isn't really an improvement over the c2d, especially if it means losing the Nvidia igp and using an Intel one. i5 and discrete GPUs are what should be aimed for as minimums, IMO.


You stated exactly what I wanted to concerning prcessor choice.

I would also have added that if they were looking at power savings and noise reduction they could also have added the option of an SSD, a la Macbook Air, but that's not an option in this build either. I find it interesting no one has addressed THAT little tidbit.

And the design seems to preclude self upgrade of the HDD as well.

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Originally Posted by SSquirrel View Post

Here in Kentucky sales tax is just 6%, so that still only makes $740.94. All these systems are being shipped from China, we know increased shipping prices aren't the cause of the price difference.

True, for the price increase the fact it is in a milled aluminum case just doesn't seem to cut it.

That having been said, I will more than likely purchase a 2.66 version with a 500GB HDD and give my current iMac Extreme to my mother, who is in great need of anythng newer than her current gateway PC running XP. That, coupled with the fact she is functionally PC iliterate would make this change a viable and welcome one for her.

I can now just run everything through my over large samsung TV and suppliment everything else with iPad appliances, iPhones, and Macbook Pros. Though I DO despise laptops, I now appreciate the minimalist approach when not wanting to dedicate an entire room to an iMac as a computer room/office, having elected to take a roommate in my apartment, as well as the fact I have cancelled comcast television and gone to straight broadband internet, with their television offerings being equal to shite.
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post #325 of 379
6/16/10 at 6:27pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

I love how you people just grab the sale price, maybe to a conversion to same currency, but then don't factor a single thing into the additional charges one country might impose over another. No Eco 101 these days?

I love how people still defend increases in us:foreign currency differentials even though it has been shown multiple times over the past few days to be irrespective of taxation/duty

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post #326 of 379
6/16/10 at 6:31pm
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Originally Posted by cycomiko View Post

I love how people still defend increases in us:foreign currency differentials even though it has been shown multiple times over the past few days to be irrespective of taxation/duty

Again, that is not the only thing to consider when importing goods.
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post #327 of 379
6/16/10 at 6:40pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Again, that is not the only thing to consider when importing goods.

again,

when the normal costs are somewhere around ~US cost + 10%,

and then with an actual improvement in US:local exchange rate and no changes in warrenty requirements, labour prices, taxation, transportation costs and every other thing you like you bring up that doesnt actual relate to anything that is ever being discussed, it goes to ~US cost + 20%

there is something fishy going on

and the mac mini stinks of fish throughout most countries in the world

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post #328 of 379
6/16/10 at 7:18pm
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Originally Posted by Dlux View Post

At this point, the entry point for Mac OS has just risen another notch. ... There's no technical reason that Apple can't offer a stripped-down unit (no disc burning, smaller HD, slower processor) for $500 and reclaim at lot more hobbyists.


They cover that price point with the iPad.
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post #329 of 379
6/16/10 at 7:24pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

It's impressive but it certainly doesn't seem like a practical expense for those looking for a low cost Mac, but maybe we're the ones looking at this wrong. Maybe Apple is focusing these on a different user.

When set up with the cheapest Mac peripherals, what is the total price? How does that compare with the entry level iMac?

Any chance that many people will hook it up to their existing TV, given the HDMI output?
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post #330 of 379
6/16/10 at 8:23pm
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Originally Posted by Dlux View Post

I think that's what people have a problem with. Apple prioritized miniaturization, but for a stationary machine that seems to be an unsavory (and unnecessary) compromise. By shrinking the form factor Apple has both boxed themselves in a corner in terms of user-expandability AND added to the production costs. And for what?


Beauty and simplicity.

I've read comments, however, that they went with form over function this time around. I think that they'll sell plenty of them to various types of consumers.
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post #331 of 379
6/16/10 at 8:32pm
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Originally Posted by Hattig View Post

But it is above that $500 barrier, and above the $600 barrier too. Could they have created a low-end variant to hit the $600 price point - slower CPU, no FW800, etc?

The iPad is available for those who are in that price range.
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post #332 of 379
6/17/10 at 12:44am
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Originally Posted by ruisantus View Post

Here in Portugal it starts at 799 = $980.
In the UK it starts at £649 = $956

I think they didn't convert the price right...

Even when taking sales tax into account. 1 = US$ 1.23 currently. 799 after sales tax = approximately (as sales tax differs per EU country but is roughly 20%) 665 before sales tax. That is US$ 820 before sales tax. In other words, the mini is US$ 120 more expensive (before sales tax) in Europe than in the US, or a whopping 17%.

I wonder why (other than saying that European Mac buyers are less price sensitive than US buyers, or to keep demand artificially limited).
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post #333 of 379
6/17/10 at 1:31am
Currency exchanges fluctuate.

If we take the 699 base US price, the price in dollars in Japan would have been $768 on June 4, $735, and $794 on March 4. Today, it converts at $754. Three months saw 8% of fluctuation, something Apple must take in to account when setting their prices.

The Euro has fluctuated from .69 to .84 to the dollar over the past six months, which is a 22% change in just six months, far greater than the 8% seen in Japan, an uncertainty that must be considered and will thus be included in the price.

The same is true everywhere. These are just two examples, and Apple likely is looking at far longer periods than six months.

 

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post #334 of 379
6/17/10 at 1:33am
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Originally Posted by Stevie View Post

The iPad is available for those who are in that price range.

The iPad can't serve as a living room media server. The Apple TV can, but it can't play 1080p or iTunes Visuals or sync my iPods or download on BT or browse the internet or video chat on MSN and Yahoo or connect to my digital piano for recording, composing and sequencing or connect to my printer.

And I won't tolerate Windows.

So I guess I have no choice but to pay for a beautiful device that's about $200 too much, but is the only thing that suits my needs.
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post #335 of 379
6/17/10 at 4:01am
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Originally Posted by jfanning View Post

I currently have four Macs, two have failed, so am I meant to ignore that fact that I have had a 50% failure rate, or should I only take records for the latest one, which has failed so making it a 100% failure rate?

That's a 50% failure rate for Macs, in your experience. That's quite bad, actually. Of course, we can't extrapolate in any way, but... yours ain't the only story I hear.

Yes, I'm being a mopey mike here, but well... What were we talking about again? LOL
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post #336 of 379
6/17/10 at 4:21am
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Originally Posted by harleighquinn View Post

And the design seems to preclude self upgrade of the HDD as well...

Hard disk upgrading doesn't look too painful...
http://www.macminicolo.net/macmini2010.html

But yeah... Not quite a self upgrade, but just about as difficult(?) as the previous non-unibody model?
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post #337 of 379
6/17/10 at 6:35am
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

The belief / hope/ bet (take your pick) by Steve Jobs is that now or in the near future HD movies will be so readily available to rent or buy over the net that no one would drive to a store to buy or rent a DVD of any size shape or color. I am not expressing my opinion one way or the other here, simply explaining Apple's reasoning for not including BR in any Macs


But as of now, with this product, there is no way to buy or rent an HD movie over the 'net.

It seems to be an unwise decision to exclude functionality.
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post #338 of 379
6/17/10 at 6:37am
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Originally Posted by oxygenhose View Post

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1. As a digital audio connection, HDMI is not the optimum choice, even digital rca coaxial is more reliable,

Why is HDMI less reliable?
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post #339 of 379
6/17/10 at 6:38am
Have there been Geekbench / Cinebench benchmarks published yet? I wonder how it compares to the iMacs / previous versions of the mini.
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post #340 of 379
6/17/10 at 6:44am
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

Apple has made their decision for some reason - and Apple undoubtedly knows more about their reasoning than some whiner on AI.

So is Apple always right? And can't a whiner can't identify Apple's mistakes?
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post #341 of 379
6/17/10 at 6:48am
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Originally Posted by IronHeadSlim View Post

Apple is NOT moving away from Mac OS for us. Stop being ridiculous. The iOS is entry level and for the masses. There will always be an operating system like OS X to program the content. C'mon.

Apple certainly IS moving towards mobile devices. They are now the highest
priority in the company. That is where Apple thinks there is money to be made. That much is clear.

There will always be an OS like OSX? Maybe. It exists today, and is not going anywhere. Literally.
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post #342 of 379
6/17/10 at 6:55am
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

I love the 'Apple tax is higher than the MS tax' argument. Why not do some research on how much a server license with unlimited clients costs from Apple vs Microsoft. It's $499 for Apple and quite a few times higher for Microsoft. .

Microsoft Home Server is available at Amazon right now for $87.92.
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post #343 of 379
6/17/10 at 7:02am
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Originally Posted by 1984 View Post

I wonder if this means the end for the AppleTV? It seems to have been removed from both Apple's main website and their online store.


If you Google on apple TV, this is the first hit:

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/hom...KWG-AppleTV-US
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post #344 of 379
6/17/10 at 7:06am
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Originally Posted by Bruceedits View Post

Could this announcement mean that the new Mac Pro, 6 and 12-core desktops are not far behind? Hope so.

Don't hold your breath if you are waiting for more powerful, cheaper Mac Pros. The current updates were in the pipeline before the explosion of portable devices, but next time around?
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post #345 of 379
6/17/10 at 7:10am
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Originally Posted by kaisersoze View Post

You final sentence implies (in an overt way) that you think it is wrong for any person to ever offer any reasoned criticism of any product unless they can make a better product for less money! Yes, this is exactly what you are saying, and this is preposterous.


That's what Steve has said more than once. Most of these knee-jerk foolish responses are paraphrases of Steve.
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post #346 of 379
6/17/10 at 7:13am
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Originally Posted by BDBLACK View Post

Nobody wants to pay that kind of money for a stand alone desktop.

Lots and lots of people pay WAY more than than that every day for stand alone desktop machines. Look at the iMacs, for example.

WTF?
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post #347 of 379
6/17/10 at 7:26am
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Originally Posted by Stevie View Post

Microsoft Home Server is available at Amazon right now for $87.92.

And that is a comparable product because it has 'server' in its name? Good thinking!
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post #348 of 379
6/17/10 at 7:36am
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Originally Posted by kpluck View Post

Steve knows his users and his users are form over function idiots as a rule. They rather pay a lot of money for a cool looking under powered computer, than have a basic looking mid-tower with a 3 year in home warranty, more RAM, bigger faster HD, and better CPU/GPU performance.

I think that is only one of the target customers for the Mini.

Another is the switcher who already owns peripherals. They would be people who just want a Mac, likely because they know little about using a computer and want something "easy".

Diehards and first timer/amateur/naive users seem to me to be the likely target markets for the Mini.
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post #349 of 379
6/17/10 at 7:39am
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Originally Posted by ascii View Post

I think Apple care about profits, but they also care about the quality of their products and the reputation of their brand. They try to make as much profit as possible from the kind of products they want to build, rather than build the products that will make the most money.

If they are doing that, they are open to shareholder lawsuits.

I think that instead, they are making as much total profit as they can figure out how to make.
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post #350 of 379
6/17/10 at 7:42am
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Originally Posted by SSquirrel View Post

So if you are buying this for a desktop system, rather than a HTPC, why not just save up an extra $200 and buy a white MacBook instead? That way you can output to your desktop monitor, hookup your keyboard and mouse and still have portability too.

You seem to be valuing function over form. That is not the customer that Apple focuses upon.
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post #351 of 379
6/17/10 at 7:45am
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Originally Posted by jetlaw View Post

Take your wife or girlfriend to Best Buy and parade her by the biggest, baddest, PC in the store, then have her walk by the new Mac Mini and ask her which one she would rather have in her house. I assure you, a dissertation on bus speed and expansion slots is not going be very persuasive on her.


Har! Girls! They don't know nothing except looks!!!

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post #352 of 379
6/17/10 at 7:54am
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Originally Posted by MMTM1983 View Post

IMAGINE THIS:

this new Mac Mini with best specs hooked up to a new Sony LED 3D Glossy Flat Screen TV 30"-50", Best Sony Wireless Surround Sound system, PS3/XBOX, Apple TV, Sky + HD, Gaming Seat, Wireless Trackpad, Wireless Keyboard, Wireless Mouse, 2-5TB External HD, Time Machine, and some how connect a cam to all this, Apple really going for the Entertainment Market now...

That system would cost a fortune and would neither sound nor look as good as other cheaper HT systems.

Especially the sound. Sony?
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post #353 of 379
6/17/10 at 7:55am
It truly is a shame that the potential of this machine is limited by the minute BTO options Apple offers; the processor can only be upgrade to 2.66Ghz Core 2 Duo, the hard drive is limited to 5400 RPM with no option for solid state, and the graphics is limited to the 320M integrated Nvidia chipset. With the next screenless With the Mac Mini starting at $699 and the next screenless Mac starting at $2,499, there's a vast void that could easily be filled if they just added a few more BTO options to the Mini. And unlike the MacBook Pro lineup, it's not as though upgrading the entry-level model is going to suddenly encroach on the product above it there's an $1,800 price gap!

I currently have a 15" MacBook Pro that's identical in specs to this new Mac Mni, paired with a 24" LED Display. Because of the iPad, I'm finding that I don't need a laptop anymore. But because I have this gorgeous 24" LED Display, I don't need an iMac either. The Mac Mini seems like a perfect fit for me, only its impossible to order one that exceeds my current computer. And a Mac Pro would be total overkill for my needs, not to mention it costs 2,500 damn dollars.
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post #354 of 379
6/17/10 at 8:00am
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

What IS foolish is comparing the cost of a home built PC (and 99 times out of a 100, the builder forgets to add in all their costs like shipping, tax, operating system and other software, labor, etc) which has no warranty, takes up your time, and may or may not have components that work well together)

You forget that most people who build their own computers know a heck of a lot about the subject.

Adding up costs for a cost/benefit analysis is unlikely to be beyond most of them. WRT components that work well together, that is a matter of knowledge, eh? Getting the optimal combinations is a popular reason for building one's own PC.
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post #355 of 379
6/17/10 at 8:39am
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Originally Posted by Stevie View Post

The iPad is available for those who are in that price range.

I didn't know the iPad had HDMI/Display Port out.
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post #356 of 379
6/17/10 at 9:06am
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Microsoft Home Server is available at Amazon right now for $87.92.

ROTFLMAO.

I asked you to compare a WIndows server with unlimited client licensing that THAT is what you come up with? I guess you're unaware that even the basic Mac Mini with standard Mac OS X (NOT the server version) will do everything Windows Home Server will do.

The Mac Mini server has a full blown Mac OS X Server with unlimited client licenses. That makes is suitable for small businesses or other file serving applications. The equivalent WIndows server with just 25 client licenses is over $2,200:
http://www.software.cc/products/sc-1...08-server.html

You could buy TWO Mac Mini servers with UNLIMITED client licenses for less than the software cost alone for Windows.

Or, if you want just the software, Mac OS X Server with unlimited client licenses is $499 - 1/4 the cost of the 25 user WIndows software.

So much for the 'Apple tax'.
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post #357 of 379
6/17/10 at 12:02pm
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Originally Posted by John.B View Post

This is one of those rare instances where the Apple memory upgrade to 4GB makes sense ($100 vs the $109 NewEgg memory).

Ironic, given that they've finally made a field upgrade of the memory SIMMs a simple task and not minor surgery. [shrug]

On another note, does anyone want to buy a collection of sanded-sharp putty knives? LOL!

Actually, what I would probably buy is a single 4GB module for $120 off New Egg. I read somewhere that it's a little faster with 4GB + 1GB than it is with 2GB + 2GB. That way when I go to 8GB I only throw away the other 1GB stick.
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post #358 of 379
6/17/10 at 12:21pm
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Originally Posted by nvidia2008 View Post

That is a nice machine, actually. 1333mhz RAM, and the 4850 1GB can handle all the latest games at almost-highest settings with about 2x or 4x antialiasing at 1920x1080p. Everything else being kept equal, bump the 250 to 320GB of hard disk and drop in a ATI 5850 1GB and you've got a solid gaming beast.

But don't expect a powerful GPU from Apple. Gaming on the Mac? Well, at least Valve is trying. But the Source engine is pretty efficient and not as demanding as the newer titles.

I shan't say more because apparently my recent post history shows I'm anti-Apple now. Apparently, Lemon, you've become *more* anti-Apple. I understand your frustration. I find it a bit weird, but I'm leaning towards understanding more of what you and extremeskater are saying even though 1 year ago I would have argued against it.

BUT THOSE DAMNED PC CASES ARE SO BLOODY UGLY... GEEZ. Also, no great new games that tickle my fancy, not after the epic that was Mass Effect 2 I finished a few months ago.

I think a more comparable machine for the mini is their HTPC build for £601.98 inc VAT with Window Home Premium. No IGP machine is a gaming box. It has a TV tuner and a Core i3 but just a DVD player. It has the 9300 ION I think but has a slot for a dedicated GPU.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...odid=FS-249-OK

Still...for a mini-ITX board that's one fugly HTPC case to stick it in.

New Overlord DLC for Mass Effect 2 just came out...

http://masseffect.bioware.com/media/video/416/

I've been debating Dragon Age...now on OS X too...but what I really want is a Jade Empire Sequel. My i5 MBP handles ME2 just fine on high settings but it's not that demanding a game.
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post #359 of 379
6/17/10 at 2:03pm
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Originally Posted by sheff View Post



Agreed. Especially the server model should have one for faster backups.

Does it lack wireless n? Isn't that as good as eSata?
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6/17/10 at 2:06pm
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Originally Posted by jfanning View Post

Apple uses "overseas" support centres as well, I got one when I rang about my iMac failing, it wasn't a very nice experience, the language wasn't the issue, it was Apple providing them incorrect information. My Dell has never failed, so I can't comment about their support centres.

I called Dell twice. both times I got people with accents who knew their stuff and helped me. I was very surprised, given Dell's reputation.
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