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post #41 of 73
He is most certainly speaking of a time way off as he speaks of the temple being totally destroyed and of false Christs, the Apocolypse, the Abomination that causes desecration in the temple, the gospel being preached to the entire world.

I read somewhere that the abomination represents the UN...
post #42 of 73
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[quote]Originally posted by seb:
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Look out! It's <a href="http://www.escape666.com/SpaceChrist.htm" target="_blank">space christ!</a>

Have you visited that site Noah? How does that stuff sound to you? Does Pastor Harry sound like a crackpot? Or does some of what he says make sense? I do have to agree with him on the Falwell and Roberts stuff. False Prophets or not, those guys are bad. Enquiring minds want to know.
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I have not visited that site, and after looking at it I do not feel I have missed much. That guy is putting prophecies of Nostradamous right up with scripture. <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" /> Sorry, but he gets a crackpot vote in my book.

As far as Falwell and Roberts, I don't watch them and cannot give you my impression. Sorry.
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post #43 of 73
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[quote]Originally posted by Outsider:
<strong>I read somewhere that the abomination represents the UN...</strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't think so. The UN could be represented by the one world government that is prophesied about, but I think it will even go a step further than that. Not sure how, but for the most part the UN is toothless. It will have to much more powerful for it to be what was spoken of.

The Abomination that causes desolation will be an act rather than a person I think. I believe that it will be carried out by the Antichrist where he defiles the new Temple is a very profane way. Which brings us to the next point. When you hear that Israel is building a new temple, then you will know that you are living in the end times, or very close to it. I have not heard of this happening yet...
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post #44 of 73
[quote]As far as Falwell and Roberts, I don't watch them and cannot give you my impression. Sorry.<hr></blockquote>

Robertson and Falwell are only the two most influential "Christians" in the US. Robertson especially has an extremely powerful influence on the social policies of this administration. It's almost impossible not to be aware of his pull and media access. He also happens to be a pathological hatemonger, which is completely at odds with Jesus' teachings.
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post #45 of 73
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[quote]Originally posted by Samantha Joanne Ollendale:
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Robertson and Falwell are only the two most influential "Christians" in the US. Robertson especially has an extremely powerful influence on the social policies of this administration. It's almost impossible not to be aware of his pull and media access. He also happens to be a pathological hatemonger, which is completely at odds with Jesus' teachings.</strong><hr></blockquote>

They may be high profile, but the most influential? If they are so influential why have I, a decidedly open Christian, not every heard them speak or cared to? Billy Graham is much more influential then either of them in my opinion. Also, calling then a hatemonger does not necessarily make it so. No one has pointed me to anything that shows them to be hatemongers, just general opinions stating so. However, that does not mean that they are not, just that it has not been show to me to be conclusively so.
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post #46 of 73
[quote]Originally posted by NoahJ:
<strong>When you hear that Israel is building a new temple, then you will know that you are living in the end times, or very close to it. I have not heard of this happening yet...</strong><hr></blockquote>Oh, they are definitely talking about it.

Noah, have you read the "Christ Clone" books? I highly recommend them if you're into this sort of thing. It sounds weird because of the "clone" talk, but apparently it follows biblical prophecies very closely. Gave me the creeps, anyway.
post #47 of 73
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[quote]Originally posted by BRussell:
<strong>Oh, they are definitely talking about it.

Noah, have you read the "Christ Clone" books? I highly recommend them if you're into this sort of thing. It sounds weird because of the "clone" talk, but apparently it follows biblical prophecies very closely. Gave me the creeps, anyway.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I have read a few books similar, but not those. The Left Behind series is quite good in book form (the movie was really bad, it was sad how they mangled it). I also read a book about the new anti-christ being cloned from a certain man with a final plan... Can't recall the name of the book though.

The only thing about these books is, they are still only fiction. Entertaining, chilling, and above all only fiction.
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post #48 of 73
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We have heard form quite a few people in this thread, but not all have said how they think the end of the world will come about. C'mon now, you know you have a thought about it. Let me, and others, know what you think.

(If you can't tell this is something that I have gained a huge interest in lately.)
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post #49 of 73
36 But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. 37 For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be... Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming. 43 But be sure of this, that if the head of the house had known at what time of the night the thief was coming, he would have been on the alert and would not have allowed his house to be broken into. 44 For this reason you also must be ready; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not think He will. -- Matthew 24:36-39, 43-44 (NASB)
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post #50 of 73
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[quote]Originally posted by roger_ramjet:
<strong>36 But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. 37 For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be... Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming. 43 But be sure of this, that if the head of the house had known at what time of the night the thief was coming, he would have been on the alert and would not have allowed his house to be broken into. 44 For this reason you also must be ready; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not think He will. -- Matthew 24:36-39, 43-44 (NASB)</strong><hr></blockquote>

Thanks for the repeat. I posted that one already.

The actual topic is though, not when is the world going to end, although it seems to be slipping that way. It is, how do you feel it will all end? Cast your vote. Flaming meteors? Man made doomsday device? Return of Disco? Be heard!
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post #51 of 73
Pre 9-11 answer: meteor

Post 9-11 answer: some unimaginably evil person with extremely powerful nuclear bombs set in strategic places across the globe and carefully timed.

It will happen, and when we kill ourselves, the Earth will be all the better for it. In the meantime...

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post #52 of 73
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[quote]Originally posted by BuonRotto:
<strong>Pre 9-11 answer: meteor

Post 9-11 answer: some unimaginably evil person with extremely powerful nuclear bombs set in strategic places across the globe and carefully timed.

It will happen, and when we kill ourselves, the Earth will be all the better for it. In the meantime...

[ 04-12-2002: Message edited by: BuonRotto ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

In response to the last part of your post, how the world will be better for it. How so? Are people really that bad? Do you think that you are one who the earth would be better without?
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post #53 of 73
OK, I'll bite.

No, I do not believe the world will end in my lifetime. Not because I don't believe in the possibility of it happening, but more so because I can't concieve of it happening anymore than the Romans could concieve that their empire would be ended by hoards of Visigoths rampaging through their streets.

As others have mentioned, the Earth will be destroyed when the sun becomes a red giant and consumes the planet.

Although I do acknowledge the possibility of the complete extinction of humanity before the sun consumes the Earth, I again find it difficult to concieve of it actually happening. Humans have proven to be a resilient and adaptable species, able to survive and even thrive in just about every climate this planet has to offer. I believe humans, as a race, could even survive a gobal nuclear holocost.

A far more likely end of the world scenario would be the collapse of civilization as we know it today. The collapse of civilization would most likely result from a man-made cause, or a natural disaster precipitated by a man made event (Shifting weather patterns caused by global warming resulting in massive crop failure, global famine, wars to acquire or protect scarce food supplies which include limited nuclear exchanges, etc., etc). This would be, I think, more likely than a pure, natural catastrophic event such as a meteor or the global eruption of super volcanoes.

If civilization does collapse, I believe it will be with a "whimper," not a "bang." People will not realize it is happening until it has already happened.
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post #54 of 73
[quote]Originally posted by NoahJ:
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In response to the last part of your post, how the world will be better for it. How so? Are people really that bad? Do you think that you are one who the earth would be better without?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes, people are really that bad. Myself included.
post #55 of 73
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[quote]Originally posted by BuonRotto:
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Yes, people are really that bad. Myself included.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Interesting. Brutal honesty. I hope to never think of myself as that horrible. I mean sure, I make some major mistakes, but enough to warrant wishing that I was never born to this planet? Not that bad...
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post #56 of 73
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[quote]Originally posted by jesperas:
<strong>If civilization does collapse, I believe it will be with a "whimper," not a "bang." People will not realize it is happening until it has already happened.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Nice post! You laid it all out very plainly. I liked your last statement and feel that this is something that I can both agree with, and disagree with at the same time.

I don't think that civilization will collapse. But I do think that when what is to come comes, those that are in it for the most part will have little or no idea until it is too late. When that happens is anyones guess however.

I am still working on my prediction as to how the world will end, I have mostly at this point been reading all the other posts and answering the ones that interest me the most. Anyone else care to weigh in on this heady subject? You turn to play prophet and tell the world how the world will end as you see it.
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post #57 of 73
[quote] Back to the topic: Supposedly there is an asteroid scheduled to hit earth in the year 2880.
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I heard this would occur in 2028 on the news then the next day NASA reported their calculation was a little off and it would actually miss the earth. I wonder

Science shows there was an ice age in which the Dinosaurs perished from the earth. Science shows that a large meteor hit the earth in Arizona. Science also suggests that the two could have been related. What's to say that can't happen again Only substitute humans.

I don't believe God intended us to know when the end wil come therefore I try not to worry about it. I know eventually my world will end anyway so I just try to do the best I can while I'm here. Really thats all you can do.
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post #58 of 73
hate the world like all you 'good' christians...
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post #59 of 73
[quote]Originally posted by jesperas:
<strong>If civilization does collapse, I believe it will be with a "whimper," not a "bang." People will not realize it is happening until it has already happened.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sounds very Hari Seldon-ish. Time to set up the Foundations?
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post #60 of 73
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[quote]Originally posted by pfflam:
<strong>hate the world like all you 'good' christians...</strong><hr></blockquote>

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post #61 of 73
I suppose the world could end like Alf's did... a freak boating accident

I think the world will end when God destroyes it.

As far as I know, I don't think there are any more bibical prophesis that need to be fufilled before the rapture...

Will Mot be able to design a decent processor in heaven at least?

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post #62 of 73
<strong>Originally posted by Moogs:
I just caught your post (not sure how I missed it the first time through)...what makes you believe the world itself will survive indefinitely through such events as the distant (but inevitable) extinction of our Sun and other catastrophic astronomical events?</strong>

I understood "world" to mean universe. If someone wants to refer to the current hunk of rock we reside in, I hope they would use "Earth" instead.

Unlike others, I believe we will reside outside of this planet.
post #63 of 73
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[quote]Originally posted by THT:
I understood "world" to mean universe. If someone wants to refer to the current hunk of rock we reside in, I hope they would use "Earth" instead.

Unlike others, I believe we will reside outside of this planet.<hr></blockquote>

Oh, so we need to change our way of thinking to fit yours eh? Figures.

So world means universe and earth means this planet. Well, ok, you answered the question in your sphere of understanding of the questions parameters. Fair enough.
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post #64 of 73
[quote]Originally posted by agent302:
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Sounds very Hari Seldon-ish. Time to set up the Foundations?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Actually, it's T.S. Eliot, "The Hollow Men" IIRC

This is the way the world will end
The world will end
The world will end
This is the way the world will end
Not with a bang but a whimper
post #65 of 73
[quote]Originally posted by BuonRotto:
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Actually, it's T.S. Eliot, "The Hollow Men" IIRC

This is the way the world will end
The world will end
The world will end
This is the way the world will end
Not with a bang but a whimper
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I know that, I was just implying that it sounds Hari Seldon-ish also. Think about it.
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post #66 of 73
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[quote]Originally posted by agent302:
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I know that, I was just implying that it sounds Hari Seldon-ish also. Think about it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You are right. Not with a bang, but a whimper would fit that series.
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post #67 of 73
Ah, I get ya.
post #68 of 73
<strong>Originally posted by NoahJ:
Oh, so we need to change our way of thinking to fit yours eh? Figures.

So world means universe and earth means this planet. Well, ok, you answered the question in your sphere of understanding of the questions parameters. Fair enough. </strong>

Yes, world is a very subjective term all the way from an individual's way of life to the universe as we know it Our world should be the universe. I am a techno-optimist afterall.

We will survive extreme ecological changes. We will survive our technological frankensteins. We will probably survive asteroid collisions if it doesn't happen in the near future. The Sun may or may not go supernova, the models say so, but I'm presuming by that time humanity will be able to jump ship anyways.

There seems to be a lot of pessimists out there though.
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So, what do I believe about the end of the world? (I will go with universe on this one for you optimists out there. )

The Universe will end as it began. Unexplainably by any scientific method one day it will just be gone. Just as I believe that there was nothing, and then out of that nothing came the universe, whether by a big bang or if it just appeared I don't care to argue, I believe that when the time comes the universe will simply cease to exist.

Of course I have a biblical backup for my position, I am sure nobody is suprised.

The final goal and expectation of the Christian faith is a new, transformed, and redeemed world where Jesus Christ lives with his people and righteousness dwells in holy perfection.

In order to erase all traces of sin, there will be a destruction of all the earth, stars and galaxies. Heven and Earth will be shaken and will vanish like a vapor, the stars will be dissolved and the elements destroyed.

After that there will be a new Heaven and a new Earth, but that would be another thread.

So it would not matter where we lived in the Universe or how many planets we inhabited. It is all going to dissapear. The thread does not have to end there, if you have your own thoughts on how it will all end that has not been put up so far, chime in. I will stand by my belief, and truthfully it is no less valid than any other put forth here.

For the verses that my opinion was derived from look at:
Psalms 102:25-26
Isaiah 34:4; 51:6; 65:17; 66:22
Romans 8:19-22
Hebrews 1:12; 12:26-28
2 Peter 3:7-13
Haggai 2:6
Revelation 21:1-4

I will write more about this as I get time. I know some of you don't care, and that is fine. But for those who are interested I am going to write what I see as the steps leading up to the end. I have no time where the steps will happen. I am just going to try to put them in order and you can draw any parallels you like or ignore the whole thing, you have the mouse vote with your clicking!
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post #70 of 73
I think the end of the world will be either the recognition that UFOs are real (either space and/or time aliens - or us from the future) or the internet becoming sentient.

As far as some kind of global destruction, judaism and christianity picked up that idea (like most others) from the pre-existing belief systems of the region when they were being formed. Revealed religions tend to be pretty violent, in general, of course. "bible myths and their Parallells in other religions" and "christianity before christ" are faily good books documenting pre-judaic writings of the near east and the synchronism that followed. One wonders what the new testament would have been like had it not been edited so many times (Ex: council of nicea) and primary written by saul/paul , someone as far removed (and women-hating) from the jewish "cult of christ" as could been seen.

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Where did the rest of this thread go???? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
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post #72 of 73
I don't think the world will end in my lifetime.

I don't think the world will be destoyed as such but it will certainly be much changed for the worst by Mankind.
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This thread is missing about 4 pages. Mods? Do they just dissapear sometimes?
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