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post #121 of 177
6/16/10 at 11:38am
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Originally Posted by idanceapps View Post

First of all, I think June is just my lucky month!
My birthday was June 11th
I was able to get in the apple system and pre-order my iPhone 4 on June 15th
and today I have officially become a US Citizen!

Amazing month! Can't wait to get my hands on this phone on the 24th of June!

Christian

Hey, congrats! And welcome to being a citizen of the most imperfect, frustrating and wonderful country on the planet.

Like the rest of us US Citizens, you have the obligation to make it better!

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"So at the end of the presentation, Steve came up to me and said: Is the iPhone worth criticizing? And I said: Make the screen five inches by eight inches, and you’ll rule the world."
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post #122 of 177
6/16/10 at 11:39am
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That's not true in a "seller's" market. When I moved to Palo Alto, in 1971, average houses were on the market for 3 days. I looked at houses, for about a week. Then flew my wife in for the final selection... All the houses I selected were sold before she even got to see them.

I don't recall the exact figures, but according to studies we spend less time in deciding on a home purchase than in making any other major buying decision. Something like a few hours on average. The house we live in now, we saw for the first time on Sunday and were in escrow on Tuesday. If we'd waited any longer we'd have lost it -- and this was not even in a "seller's market."
Please don't be insane.
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post #123 of 177
6/16/10 at 11:41am
ok, so either Apple's website is lying or At&t has a special voice plan for the iPhone...because when going to check the current voice rates, Apple's webiste shows $69/mo for the basic plan (450 plan) but the At&t site shows the 450 plan at $39/mo. Which one is correct? or is the iP4 on a special voice plan?

EDIT: apple's site states the rate plan includes ULIMITED DATA at $69/mo at 450 plan.
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post #124 of 177
6/16/10 at 11:41am
A scene from Redmond, the famous appleinsider adaptation of the great film Tombstone:

Solipsism: And you must be Free. Look, Dick, Freethinker. The deadliest forum pistoleer since Tekstud, they say. What do you think, Dick? Should I hate him?
Dick Applebaum: You don't even know him.
Solipsism: Yes, but there's just something about him. Something around the carpals, I don't know, reminds me of... Tekstud. No. I'm sure of it, I hate him.
Rot'nApple: [to Freethinker] He's posting-drunk.
Solipsism: In internet veritas.
Freethinker: Age quod agis.
Solipsism: Credat Judaeus apella, non ego.
Freethinker: [pats his mouse] Eventus stultorum magister.
Solipsism: [gives a Cheshire cat smile icon] In pace requiescat.
AppDev:Come on boys. We don't want any trouble in here. Not in any language.
Solipsism: Evidently Mr. Freethinker is a rational man. Now I really hate him.
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post #125 of 177
6/16/10 at 11:50am
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

Apple said in a press release that the total was "far higher than we anticipated, resulting in many order and approval system malfunctions. Many customers were turned away or abandoned the process in frustration."

The company continued, "We apologize to everyone who encountered difficulties, and hope that they will try again or visit an Apple store or carrier store once the iPhone 4 is in stock."

Am I the only one who thinks this is total bullshit?

"far higher than we anticipated?"

Had I read "Apple deliberately short-stocked their order system anticipating a crash and subsequent tremendous amount of media hype as a result, sending people in droves to the brick and mortar stores on release day..."

I could at least lean back and say "well done, Apple..."

But this bullshit? Come on. Just don't LIE to me, for fuck's sake...
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post #126 of 177
6/16/10 at 11:52am
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Originally Posted by estyle View Post

a scene from redmond, the famous appleinsider adaptation of the great film tombstone:

solipsism: And you must be free. Look, dick, freethinker. The deadliest forum pistoleer since tekstud, they say. What do you think, dick? Should i hate him?
dick applebaum: You don't even know him.
solipsism: Yes, but there's just something about him. Something around the carpals, i don't know, reminds me of... tekstud. No. I'm sure of it, i hate him.
rot'napple: [to freethinker] he's posting-drunk.
solipsism: In internet veritas.
freethinker: Age quod agis.
solipsism: Credat judaeus apella, non ego.
freethinker: [pats his mouse] eventus stultorum magister.
solipsism: [gives a cheshire cat smile icon] in pace requiescat.
appdev:come on boys. We don't want any trouble in here. Not in any language.
solipsism: Evidently mr. freethinker is a rational man. Now i really hate him.

best of the day.
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post #127 of 177
6/16/10 at 12:05pm
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Originally Posted by estyle View Post

a scene from redmond, the famous appleinsider adaptation of the great film tombstone:

solipsism: And you must be free. Look, dick, freethinker. The deadliest forum pistoleer since tekstud, they say. What do you think, dick? Should i hate him?
dick applebaum: You don't even know him.
solipsism: Yes, but there's just something about him. Something around the carpals, i don't know, reminds me of... tekstud. No. I'm sure of it, i hate him.
rot'napple: [to freethinker] he's posting-drunk.
solipsism: In internet veritas.
freethinker: Age quod agis.
solipsism: Credat judaeus apella, non ego.
freethinker: [pats his mouse] eventus stultorum magister.
solipsism: [gives a cheshire cat smile icon] in pace requiescat.
appdev:come on boys. We don't want any trouble in here. Not in any language.
solipsism: Evidently mr. freethinker is a rational man. Now i really hate him.

+++ lol

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post #128 of 177
6/16/10 at 12:18pm
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Originally Posted by estyle View Post

A scene from Redmond, the famous appleinsider adaptation of the great film Tombstone:

Solipsism: And you must be Free. Look, Dick, Freethinker. The deadliest forum pistoleer since Tekstud, they say. What do you think, Dick? Should I hate him?
Dick Applebaum: You don't even know him.
Solipsism: Yes, but there's just something about him. Something around the carpals, I don't know, reminds me of... Tekstud. No. I'm sure of it, I hate him.
Rot'nApple: [to Freethinker] He's posting-drunk.
Solipsism: In internet veritas.
Freethinker: Age quod agis.
Solipsism: Credat Judaeus apella, non ego.
Freethinker: [pats his mouse] Eventus stultorum magister.
Solipsism: [gives a Cheshire cat smile icon] In pace requiescat.
AppDev:Come on boys. We don't want any trouble in here. Not in any language.
Solipsism: Evidently Mr. Freethinker is a rational man. Now I really hate him.

this is by far the best post on appleinsider. ever.
the song lyrics though are a close second...wow you guys are a fun bunch
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post #129 of 177
6/16/10 at 12:22pm
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Originally Posted by freethinker View Post

1) What's $90 a month x 24 months? Plus $199? Grab a calculator!

2) http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-pho...urn-policy.jsp
It's not exactly free (You have to pay a 10% restocking fee).


So is everyone who doesn't tow the Apple brand blindly a troll? I am a stock owner in Apple...

No, just you.
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post #130 of 177
6/16/10 at 12:27pm
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Originally Posted by DaveGee View Post

I'm kinda surprised people seem to be taking the removal of the 'unlimited' (not really) data plan and replacing it with a 2G plan. Maybe it's me but even if I were to 'almost always' fly in under the 2GB cap ... I'd have that one month that would sneak up on me and I'd be zonked with an insane overage fee.

'Unlimited' while clearly an inaccurate term, has a certain level of comfort and taking it away (I would have though) would have given many iPhone customers pause.

I wonder this... How many of that 600k are NEW customers?

Anyone know anything (official or otherwise)?

overages? have you read the details of the plan?

if you go over 2GB of data, they will automatically up you that month in 1Gb increments at $10 each... none of this 25 cents a mb crap of yesteryear. Up to 2gb, $25. 3G $35... 4GB 45... etc.. you just start at 2gb and don't pay more unless you use it.

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also, does anyone know how trading in your old phone works? I'd like to recycle it like i did my old iPod Mini. Apple gave me a 10% discount on my new purchase for doing so. Anyone know if they will do this for the iPhone?

recycle... a iPhone, even an old one.. can fetch a pretty good price, rather than just "recycling" it.

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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Hey, congrats! And welcome to being a citizen of the most imperfect, frustrating and wonderful country on the planet.

Like the rest of us US Citizens, you have the obligation to make it better!

,

wow is that true? I thought everyone was supposed to cry and yell and get hand outs from the government...
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post #131 of 177
6/16/10 at 12:43pm
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Hey, congrats! And welcome to being a citizen of the most imperfect, frustrating and wonderful country on the planet.

Like the rest of us US Citizens, you have the obligation to make it better!

,

I'm still just a permanent resident, so I can continue to balls it up as much as I like!!!!
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post #132 of 177
6/16/10 at 12:45pm
simple explanation behind this. I just learned from a coworker that all the iphone 1st gen phones no longer sync because apple deemed them "unsupported hardware" hahaha. So all your 1st gen adopters that have been eyeing an upgrade now have the ultimate reason to finally bite the bullet and get the upgrade. Same things going to happen next year for the 3Gs but you'll see even bigger sales because it will be coming from those unit sales which were obviously much greater than the original iphone sales.

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post #133 of 177
6/16/10 at 12:57pm
I want to get 4 of em - not sure I can afford it just yet - but I have an original iPhone 2G that needs to be replaced - and considering one for the wife and my parents are both considering iPhone as their first smartphone ever and getting onto my plan.
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post #134 of 177
6/16/10 at 1:00pm
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Originally Posted by Zoolook View Post

Apple is doomed.

Doomed, doomed, doomed!

Where, oh, where are the articles from the pundits explaining how this is a bad thing and how every other phone manufacturer is actually doing better than Apple?

C'mon!

Dvorak?
Thurott?
Anybody?
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post #135 of 177
6/16/10 at 1:00pm
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Originally Posted by Cory Bauer View Post

How on Earth does Apple justify charging the same for an iPhone 3GS as they do an iPad Wi-Fi? It can't possibly cost more than half that of an iPad with a 10" screen, A4 processor, and 16GB of Memory.

C'mon! You know that tech tends to increase in price as it gets smaller. You know the Phone's display has 78% of the number of pixels the iPad's display has while being 1/8 the size. You can look at iFixit's teardown of the IPad and Gizmodo's teardown of the iPhone 4 to see that the engineering of the logic board is more more intense and therefore assume more costly than the iPad.


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Is "contradicks" a Freudian slip? ...A double entendre? ...A simile?

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That was me being a dick unless the mods see that as blantant personal attack, then it was an accident.


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A scene from Redmond, the famous appleinsider adaptation of the great film Tombstone:

Solipsism: And you must be Free. Look, Dick, Freethinker. The deadliest forum pistoleer since Tekstud, they say. What do you think, Dick? Should I hate him?
Dick Applebaum: You don't even know him.
Solipsism: Yes, but there's just something about him. Something around the carpals, I don't know, reminds me of... Tekstud. No. I'm sure of it, I hate him.
Rot'nApple: [to Freethinker] He's posting-drunk.
Solipsism: In internet veritas.
Freethinker: Age quod agis.
Solipsism: Credat Judaeus apella, non ego.
Freethinker: [pats his mouse] Eventus stultorum magister.
Solipsism: [gives a Cheshire cat smile icon] In pace requiescat.
AppDev:Come on boys. We don't want any trouble in here. Not in any language.
Solipsism: Evidently Mr. Freethinker is a rational man. Now I really hate him.

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Originally Posted by idanceapps View Post

First of all, I think June is just my lucky month!
My birthday was June 11th
I was able to get in the apple system and pre-order my iPhone 4 on June 15th
and today I have officially become a US Citizen!

Congratulations! What country did you originate from?

BTW, June is a great month for Futurama fans. The series starts backup with all new episodes on Comedy Central starting on June 24th.
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post #136 of 177
6/16/10 at 1:18pm
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

The USA will likely be on iOS 4.0.1 at least, before you will see these for sale in Canada.

Heck... The US will probably be on iOS 4.0.1 by the 4th of July holiday. There is just no way that testing can catch everything that tens of millions of users will do. I would be surprised if there isn't a 4.0.1 point release within the first 2 weeks of availability. This isn't a knock at Apple, just the nature of the beast on a major OS upgrade.
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post #137 of 177
6/16/10 at 1:18pm
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Originally Posted by Damn_Its_Hot View Post

My order waived the upgrade fee even though I am not at two years until Nov 2010. Not sure why they waived it but I'll take it.

They waived the Upgrade fee for all 3 of my orders. Two were 1G iPhones so clearly those were out of contract. The other was a replacement of a 3GS which cost me $699.00 + the guvnuh. I was surprised about the latter but after dropping $699.00 who cares about $18.
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post #138 of 177
6/16/10 at 1:21pm
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Originally Posted by freethinker View Post

Doesn't this just show how easily led consumers are in this country? Has anyone even touched one of these things before pre-ordering it blindly? Giving AT&T upwards of $2200 in total for a 2 year contract without touching the thing let alone seeing the bugs that arise, etc with the hardware and software update is insane.


How exactly is this insane? Yes this is a new hardware platform, and yes iOS 4 is a major software updated, but Apple has a well proven track record here. I would be much more likely to believe a significant issue might arise on the software side, but that's something that Apple is readily able to resolve via a software update.

Oops... Sorry, I think I just fed the troll.
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post #139 of 177
6/16/10 at 1:26pm
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Originally Posted by freethinker View Post

Blind faith is one of the most exploitable features corporations and governments see in the human race. Use your brains and never trust anything - not your priest, not your president and certainly not a profit driven corporation that enslaves its workforce worldwide.

Just one question...

You married???
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post #140 of 177
6/16/10 at 1:28pm
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Originally Posted by freethinker View Post

1) What's $90 a month x 24 months? Plus $199? Grab a calculator!

You can't count the monthly fee because you're gonna pay it regardless of who's smart-phone you might end up with. It's like claiming your new car cost you $28,000 because you have to put $2,000 worth of gas in it each year for the four year life of the loan on top of the $20,000 sticker price of the car. It just doesn't work that way. Your car cost you $20,000 just like your phone cost you $199. The monthly fee that comes along with using either of those things is just a fact of life.

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2) http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-pho...urn-policy.jsp
It's not exactly free (You have to pay a 10% restocking fee).

When I originally bought my 3G back in July of '08, I returned it within 14 days and got a full refund (no restocking fee). Granted, not everyone will get a deal like that, but I bet if you were really dissatisfied with the iPhone 4, you could probably talk your way out of paying the restocking fee. In any case, $30 is still a far sight better than being out $300 (or $200).
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post #141 of 177
6/16/10 at 1:31pm
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horrible argument. you can go many times into a house you are keen on buying and see it for as long as you want (or as long as the Realtor allows). You also do research on the community, schools, public transport, restaurants, bars, etc. This is a pre-order of a phone that hasn't existed 1 month in the public sphere that costs over $2200 that people are buying impulsively rather than trying it out first hand.

Working in a job has nothing to do with paying for a product.

I hope you never need a heart or kidney transplant. Pretty sure you would never go for that seeing as how you can't take it for a test drive first.

DOH... I did it yet again. Must resist urge to feed troll.
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post #142 of 177
6/16/10 at 1:32pm
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Wow 600,000 for one out of two colours and in only 5 of the 87 countries.

And people wonder how come I think Apple will sell > 8 million before December.
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post #143 of 177
6/16/10 at 1:34pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Note that it's 14 days for all Apple products, expect the iPhone which is 30 days regardless where you bought it.

When I originally bought my 3G in July of '08, it was 14 days to return the phone. I didn't realize they had changed that policy.
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post #144 of 177
6/16/10 at 1:37pm
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I hope you never need a heart or kidney transplant. Pretty sure you would never go for that seeing as how you can't take it for a test drive first.

DOH... I did it yet again. Must resist urge to feed troll.

Yum. Food. Hopefully its banh mi with mushrooms. You can feed me as long as you want but I ain't cutting my bright pointy hair... Not cutting my hair for you or Doc Holliday.
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post #145 of 177
6/16/10 at 1:44pm
Love how happy these people are having spent a whole day getting a pre-order in...for a phone!?!, these are probably people that already own a 3GS, and a 3G before that, and the other one before that...talk about feeding a troll...sheesh

How many people whining about not getting their phone on launch day have had a 3GS less than a year?
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post #146 of 177
6/16/10 at 1:48pm
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Originally Posted by estyle View Post

A scene from Redmond, the famous appleinsider adaptation of the great film Tombstone:

Solipsism: And you must be Free. Look, Dick, Freethinker. The deadliest forum pistoleer since Tekstud, they say. What do you think, Dick? Should I hate him?
Dick Applebaum: You don't even know him.
Solipsism: Yes, but there's just something about him. Something around the carpals, I don't know, reminds me of... Tekstud. No. I'm sure of it, I hate him.
Rot'nApple: [to Freethinker] He's posting-drunk.
Solipsism: In internet veritas.
Freethinker: Age quod agis.
Solipsism: Credat Judaeus apella, non ego.
Freethinker: [pats his mouse] Eventus stultorum magister.
Solipsism: [gives a Cheshire cat smile icon] In pace requiescat.
AppDev:Come on boys. We don't want any trouble in here. Not in any language.
Solipsism: Evidently Mr. Freethinker is a rational man. Now I really hate him.

Bravo, bravo. Such a great post! Funny, I just got Tombstone on Blu-ray yesterday for only $12.99.
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post #147 of 177
6/16/10 at 1:51pm
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BTW, June is a great month for Futurama fans. The series starts backup with all new episodes on Comedy Central starting on June 24th.

Awesome, that's great news. Was so disappointed when they took it off the air.
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post #148 of 177
6/16/10 at 2:20pm
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Originally Posted by DaveGee View Post

I'm kinda surprised people seem to be taking the removal of the 'unlimited' (not really) data plan and replacing it with a 2G plan. Maybe it's me but even if I were to 'almost always' fly in under the 2GB cap ... I'd have that one month that would sneak up on me and I'd be zonked with an insane overage fee.

'Unlimited' while clearly an inaccurate term, has a certain level of comfort and taking it away (I would have though) would have given many iPhone customers pause.

I wonder this... How many of that 600k are NEW customers?

Anyone know anything (official or otherwise)?

Several of us have been checking our usage here ever since one of our friends (heavy heavy user) reported he'd only topped 200meg 1 month of 6. Because we are connected to wifi the vast majority of the time we are doing anything more than e-mail or text, we all discovered we fall way short of even the 200meg. Many of the iPhone users I know are now re-evaluating whether they even need a 2gig plan, but are also quite happy that they'll be saving an extra $60 per year that was going towards data they weren't even remotely coming close to using.

Also, I hate this whole unlimited term being thrown around, it really went from 5gig to 2gig. For those of us who don't need to pay for so much data it is to our advantage for heavy users to have to pay for their usage. Right now I foot the bill for their usage and the network suffers under their weight. So I say cap it, people should expect to have to pay more to get more and it's not like they don't have the option to actively up their plan if they need more.
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post #149 of 177
6/16/10 at 3:00pm
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Originally Posted by echosonic View Post

Am I the only one who thinks this is total bullshit?

"far higher than we anticipated?"

Had I read "Apple deliberately short-stocked their order system anticipating a crash and subsequent tremendous amount of media hype as a result, sending people in droves to the brick and mortar stores on release day..."

I could at least lean back and say "well done, Apple..."

But this bullshit? Come on. Just don't LIE to me, for fuck's sake...

What tales of shortages forced people to line up in droves just to pre-order the iPhone? Get a grip, Apple doesn't need to create demand for this device.
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post #150 of 177
6/16/10 at 3:46pm
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Originally Posted by echosonic View Post

Am I the only one who thinks this is total bullshit?

"far higher than we anticipated?"

Had I read "Apple deliberately short-stocked their order system anticipating a crash and subsequent tremendous amount of media hype as a result, sending people in droves to the brick and mortar stores on release day..."

I could at least lean back and say "well done, Apple..."

But this bullshit? Come on. Just don't LIE to me, for fuck's sake...

I for one don't care which scenario is correct and really don't really care what you think.
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post #151 of 177
6/16/10 at 4:47pm
Yet you can't buy a White one yet! Apple is failing at Economics 101.
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post #152 of 177
6/16/10 at 4:54pm
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Originally Posted by echosonic View Post

Am I the only one who thinks this is total bullshit?

"far higher than we anticipated?"

Had I read "Apple deliberately short-stocked their order system anticipating a crash and subsequent tremendous amount of media hype as a result, sending people in droves to the brick and mortar stores on release day..."

I could at least lean back and say "well done, Apple..."

But this bullshit? Come on. Just don't LIE to me, for fuck's sake...

Hi excuse me, someone was just looking for you over at gizmodo, they miss you.
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post #153 of 177
6/16/10 at 4:57pm
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Originally Posted by freethinker View Post

Blind faith is one of the most exploitable features corporations and governments see in the human race. Use your brains and never trust anything - not your priest, not your president and certainly not a profit driven corporation that enslaves its workforce worldwide.

You're missing the logic system that the iPhone buyers are using...

I've been using the Macintosh since 1985 and used it as a work computer since 1989. I've bought numerous Apple towers, "pizza boxes", iPods, iMacs, Routers, Printers and now the iPad and a couple of iPhones. My experience with Apple is in the 98 - 100% satisfaction range...

It's only logical that a person like me would buy the new iPhone (if I needed one) and was willing to live within the limitations of the new iPhone (FaceTime between iPhones only... Apps thru AppStore only... etc.).

I do not feel that I could in any way be duped or would be using blind trust in a "profit driven corporation that enslaves its (sic) workforce worldwide." Having said this... what is with the Socialist Bullshit about the enslaved workforce??? I've had years of experience with this particular "profit driven corporation" and I don't, in any way, concur with the sentiment that they enslave anyone.
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post #154 of 177
6/16/10 at 5:05pm
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Originally Posted by JimDreamworx View Post

Doomed, doomed, doomed!

Where, oh, where are the articles from the pundits explaining how this is a bad thing and how every other phone manufacturer is actually doing better than Apple?

C'mon!

Dvorak?
Thurott?
Anybody?

How many will return their iPhone 4 when they discover they live and work in a poor coverage area and can't make a call? Will we ever see those numbers?

Probably not because the AT&T network is great according to Jobs, and even if it's not, we don't need to make phone calls anyway.

By the way, that "apple is doomed" joke gets funnier every time. Let me try it:

hey! Apple is doomed! Can I get a "totally agree" or a "spot on??"
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post #155 of 177
6/16/10 at 5:11pm
Massive returns? I doubt it... because I suspect many of these early adopters are iPhone users. I could be 'out of the loop' but I don't know how many 'new to the iPhone' people would have put up with the ordering problems. Again, I could be wrong, but I think the new people will, in fact, visit their local Apple Store... look at it -- play with it a bit -- and then if they buy it and have poor service in their area, they'll return it.

I feel fortunate that I have very sable & good reception in my part of the Chicago area.
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6/16/10 at 5:37pm
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Originally Posted by freethinker View Post

Blind faith is one of the most exploitable features corporations and governments see in the human race. Use your brains and never trust anything - not your priest, not your president and certainly not a profit driven corporation that enslaves its workforce worldwide.

Ah - the depth and intensity of your feelings are certainly understandable. Do we take it that you never recovered from bending over one too many times in front of clergy?

I admit to being a Fanatical Moderate. I Disdain the Inane. Vyizderzominymororzizazizdenderizorziz?

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I admit to being a Fanatical Moderate. I Disdain the Inane. Vyizderzominymororzizazizdenderizorziz?

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post #157 of 177
6/16/10 at 6:12pm
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Hey, congrats! And welcome to being a citizen of the most imperfect, frustrating and wonderful country on the planet.

Like the rest of us US Citizens, you have the obligation to make it better!

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Very nicely put.

One more thing... Like the rest of us you unfortunately have to suffer thru what is hopefully only another 2.5 years of the Obama administration.

Sorry, I just couldn't resist.
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post #158 of 177
6/16/10 at 7:05pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

C'mon! You know that tech tends to increase in price as it gets smaller. You know the Phone's display has 78% of the number of pixels the iPad's display has while being 1/8 the size.

The 3GS sure as heck doesn't, which is the model that costs as much as an iPad Wi-Fi with twice the memory.

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You can look at iFixit's teardown of the IPad and Gizmodo's teardown of the iPhone 4 to see that the engineering of the logic board is more more intense and therefore assume more costly than the iPad.

See above.
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post #159 of 177
6/16/10 at 7:07pm
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Originally Posted by hezetation View Post

Several of us have been checking our usage here ever since one of our friends (heavy heavy user) reported he'd only topped 200meg 1 month of 6. Because we are connected to wifi the vast majority of the time we are doing anything more than e-mail or text, we all discovered we fall way short of even the 200meg. Many of the iPhone users I know are now re-evaluating whether they even need a 2gig plan, but are also quite happy that they'll be saving an extra $60 per year that was going towards data they weren't even remotely coming close to using.

Same for me. I happily signed up for the 'unlimited' plan on my iPhone 3G. When Apple changed the pricing, I checked my data usage history and i only exceeded 200 MB twice in the past year. Even paying the overage for those two months, the 200 MB plan will save me a ton of money. I'm guessing that as we move forward, I won't even go over 200 since I have my iPad for email (with the unlimited plan).
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post #160 of 177
6/16/10 at 7:14pm
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

Same for me. I happily signed up for the 'unlimited' plan on my iPhone 3G. When Apple changed the pricing, I checked my data usage history and i only exceeded 200 MB twice in the past year. Even paying the overage for those two months, the 200 MB plan will save me a ton of money. I'm guessing that as we move forward, I won't even go over 200 since I have my iPad for email (with the unlimited plan).

Yup. I don't know if people realize how little of their 3G data plan they actually use, what with most being on a wi-fi network 95% of the time. Which honestly makes AT&Ts network woes all the more laughable; people are only using their network about 5% of the time. I'm thrilled that I'm going to be able to cut my data costs in half with the 200MB for $15 plan, but they should really be giving us at least 400MB for $15; $10 would be more reasonable for 200MB, or better still stop charging for text messages and roll those kb into our data plans.
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