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post #81 of 117
[quote]Originally posted by Outsider:
<strong>Spooky are you saying to get rid off all muslim nations?</strong><hr></blockquote>


No, not any religion specifically, just religion. I can't help wondering exactly what positives and benefits religion brings when considering more than one person. And its always ordinary people who get hurt. Not religious leaders, politicians or big business.
When we should be collonising planets, curing ghastly diseases, travelling the galaxy, eradicating poverty and starvation we haven't achieved any of this. Instead people fight.
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post #82 of 117
This is true.
post #83 of 117
Did you know who is the single biggest
contributor of funds to the Palestinians in the whole wide world ????

Guess
guess
guess..........................its the US !

not the EU
not the rich Arabs
not even Bill Gates
it's gd'old Uncle Sam !

And then they go and celebrate and dance and give their children sweets when Al-Qaeda attacked the WTC....
At least Israel is a reliable ally of the US.
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post #84 of 117
Hehe funny how everyone goes quiet when struck by some plain facts and figures...instead of all the mud slinging and the bull being said....... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />

wake up people you are being lied to !

[ 04-20-2002: Message edited by: rashumon ]</p>
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post #85 of 117
Its oh so quiet ..... its all so still......
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post #86 of 117
What facts have you presented?

A little proof might help.
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[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>What facts have you presented?

A little proof might help.</strong><hr></blockquote>

With pleasure
According to these <a href="http://www.un.org/unrwa/finances/contribution.htm" target="_blank">UNRWA</a> figures (this is The United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East) the US gives nearly 90 million $ for Palestinian refugees, the EU is a far second with 43 mill and guess what- (this is the most interesting figure) the Arab league gives around a misly 3 million to their Palestinian refugee brothers!

In addition, according to the <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1934000/1934526.stm" target="_blank">BBC</a>( figures taken from the World Bank) the PA itself gets the following funding from various sources :
(in millions-$)

570 from Arab league countries ( that's about 22 different states ... some of which are extremely rich)

300 from the whole of the EU ( lots of countries all are extremely rich as well )

240 from the US ( alone and this is only for the PA directly)

The US total is 330 million - by a HUGH margin the largest single contribution to the Palestinians !(BTW I'm sure that if I'll dig up some more I'll come up with additional aid the US provides for them that is not included in those sums)

[ 04-22-2002: Message edited by: rashumon ]</p>
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post #89 of 117
From outsider's link:
Restrictions on people and goods leaving the West Bank has caused an estimated loss of $3 billion to the Palestinian economy since 1993.

I'm supposed to be impressed by $500 million over 9 years?

Israel recieves $3-$4 billion in aid from the U.S. every year.

$90 million for the refugees in 2000? Israel got $90 million every week and a half.

And that's for refugees, not military hardware.
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post #90 of 117
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>From outsider's link:
Restrictions on people and goods leaving the West Bank has caused an estimated loss of $3 billion to the Palestinian economy since 1993.

I'm supposed to be impressed by $500 million over 9 years?

Israel recieves $3-$4 billion in aid from the U.S. every year.

$90 million for the refugees in 2000? Israel got $90 million every week and a half.

And that's for refugees, not military hardware.</strong><hr></blockquote>

LOL .. these links are as usless as crap ..
I gave you real figures from the UN and the world bank these figures are per year .. thats 330 per year, OK ? ... did you read this ?... do you understand ? not 500 mill over 9 years .... 330 per year .... shall I say that again ?
These figurs also prove what I was saying that the US is BY FAR the single biggest contributor of funds to Palestinians ! this was the point you wanted me to prove !

Re funding for Israel- I have never denied the fact that Israel recives lots of money from the US in fact i mentioned it on the other thread myself.
(BTW did you know Egypt recives nearly as much ?)

What I have said is that Israel is a reliable ally of the US, has never let the US down, is a democracy and has exstensive business and millitary ties with the US.... Basically this relationship is mutually beneficial ....

The Plestnians on the other hand, choose to take the money and then use any chance they have to burn the American flag and dance in the streets of Gaza when Americans get blown to bits.
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post #91 of 117
First let me state that I think no country should have an official religion. It just creates problems. I don't like defending Israel, but I am absolutely amazed at the ridiculous term that has been thrown about regarding disputed territories. This alleged "occupation" is nonsense. Israel was attacked from all sides and somehow was not only able to fend them off, but they were able to drive their attackers out of these now "disputed occupied territories." They got the land fair and square in a DEFENSIVE war. They didn't ask to be attacked simultaneously by a multitude of countries that intended on utterly destroying Israel.

Should the United States give back California to Mexico? No. Israel shouldn't be forced to give back any land to the Palestinians. Frankly, the Palestinians should just shut up, stop whining, and take whatever they can get from Israel.

Oh, by the way, I love how our fearless leader decided to back pedal after initially supporting the Israelis. He forgot that our Saudi "friends" who supply us our damn oil don't like Israel. I bet he'll just use this as another excuse to drill in ANWR instead of mandating an increase in fuel efficiency across the board in all new cars produced. But I digress.
post #92 of 117
Groover ? how come you gone so quiet ? truth's too much for ya ?

[ 04-23-2002: Message edited by: rashumon ]</p>
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post #93 of 117
I have classes during the day, you freak, I'll respond to that tonight when I get home.

Jesus, we should all follow your schedule to keep you entertained.
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post #94 of 117
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>I have classes during the day, you freak, I'll respond to that tonight when I get home.

Jesus, we should all follow your schedule to keep you entertained. </strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm sure you would :cool:
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post #95 of 117
[quote]not 500 mill over 9 years .... 330 per year .... shall I say that again ?<hr></blockquote>

Repeat it to yourself until you understand.

ALL nations gave Palestine $330 million in 2000 as per your link. The United States gave them ~89 million of that.

Read your own link.
Grand Total: 337,014,742

That's from everyone, not the U.S.

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In your BBC link it states that the U.S. gave palestine $224 million in 2001. That's &gt;$320 million in 2000-2001.

And that's general aid. Food for refugees, etc..

We have $2.1 Billion to Israel in MILITARY aid in 2001. $700-800 million in general aid in the same year.

Israel isn't exactly faithful to us, either, we demanded withdrawal and it is very slow coming. Our support of Israel has also put us in a very precarious position on the world stage, not that Israelis give a shit about that.

[quote]These figurs also prove what I was saying that the US is BY FAR the single biggest contributor of funds to Palestinians ! this was the point you wanted me to prove !<hr></blockquote>

By your own link it shows the EU and Arab League as giving more.

[quote]The Plestnians on the other hand, choose to take the money and then use any chance they have to burn the American flag and dance in the streets of Gaza when Americans get blown to bits.<hr></blockquote>

Some Palestinians did, and it doesn't really matter because as the world's most powerful nation, shouldn't we be helping refugees anyway?
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post #96 of 117
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>

Repeat it to yourself until you understand.

ALL nations gave Palestine $330 million in 2000 as per your link. The United States gave them ~89 million of that.

Read your own link.
Grand Total: 337,014,742

That's from everyone, not the U.S.

--

In your BBC link it states that the U.S. gave palestine $224 million in 2001. That's &gt;$320 million in 2000-2001.

</strong><hr></blockquote>

Blah blah.... this is getting tiresome.... what are you trying to prove ? that the US isn't giving money to Palestininas ?
I dont know why you insist on arguing when the TOTAL sum you talk about is 320~330 mil which is eactly the sum i was talking about .. HELLO ????
where's the argument ?

[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>
We have $2.1 Billion to Israel in MILITARY aid in 2001. $700-800 million in general aid in the same year.

</strong><hr></blockquote>

So what ? how is that relevant to what I was saying ? Egypt is getting 2.5 billion a year, is that relevat ?

[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>
Israel isn't exactly faithful to us, either, we demanded withdrawal and it is very slow coming. Our support of Israel has also put us in a very precarious position on the world stage, not that Israelis give a shit about that.
</strong><hr></blockquote>


If you don't think the Israeli American relationship is as usefull to the US as it is for Israel see what your government has to say about US Israel relations .... see what the majority of Americans ( who support Israel and the administration's policy on the middle east) think .

Did you know that a very large portion of that military aid goes into funding defense research programs that benefit the US economy and Armed forces.
Israel is a powerhouse of high tech R&D and many of the most advanced Aircraft Avionics, Defensive missiles and EW Radar systems are developed in Israel using US funding and Israeli know-how.
All this exclusive technology is shared with the US.
Also the US didn't help Israel build one of the strongest millitary forces in the middle east for nothing it knows that if the day ever comes and the US needs to relay on Isreal's help it can count on having it, hardly something any of the other ME allies the US has can be comended with.

[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
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By your own link it shows the EU and Arab League as giving more.
</strong><hr></blockquote>


The Arab league and the EU are clusters of nations not one nation ... the US is the SINGLE biggest contributor to the PA financially .. GET IT ???

[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>
Some Palestinians did, and it doesn't really matter because as the world's most powerful nation, shouldn't we be helping refugees anyway?
</strong><hr></blockquote>

I never said you shouldn't I'm only saying you are ! and that they don't seem to appriciate it very much.
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post #97 of 117
Don't waste your time with groveratrashumon. He is anti-American and takes what sheltered american colleges and the internet have to say for the gospel.

Unfortunately he doesn't know how good he has it. He doesn't realize the only war he'll ever fight will be on this website far from harms way. If he knew what it would be like to have a relative or friend in the WTC or in Israel his song would be different.
He represents the true nature of modern AmericaPeople who are manipulated through mass media spin, advertising and their own self indulgence.
He can say anything he wants about the US because it guarantees his free speech.
Unfortunately in a free society we're free to say what we want and mindless fools are free to believe it.
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post #98 of 117
Damnit, I hate it when people get me like that.

You forgot the part where I'm an anti-Semitic member of the Illuminati-fed intellgentsia bent on destruction of the common man.

I guess I've been exposed, and I'd gotten so close... so very close.

All my life's work, vanquished... *sigh*
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[quote] Oh, by the way, I love how our fearless leader decided to back pedal after initially supporting the Israelis. He forgot that our Saudi "friends" who supply us our damn oil don't like Israel. I bet he'll just use this as another excuse to drill in ANWR instead of mandating an increase in fuel efficiency across the board in all new cars produced. But I digress.<hr></blockquote>

Yeah! you know we shouldn't burden the Saudis for their oil. They should just sell it to the Arab nomads instead while we "Mandate" a step back to antiquity and use candles and beef blubber for light Do you think we can power our macs with manure?.

I mean while were at it we might as well "mandate" no racism. And what the hell mandate no swearing. Why not mandate space travel, but it could backfire cause we might need oil.
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[quote] I guess I've been exposed, and I'd gotten so close... so very close.
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Heydon't take it so personal. I'm just calling it like I see it.
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[quote]You forgot the part where I'm an anti-Semitic member of the Illuminati-fed intellgentsia bent on destruction of the common man.
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NoYou are the common man.
anti-Semitic member of the Illuminati-fed intellgentsia? Well I don't know about that I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Now you know your roledon't stray away
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post #102 of 117
Keep calling it like you see it, unbiased observer, you seem to know me so well it's frightening.

I will be checking my sheets and walls for your electronic bugs, but alas, you have tapped my interpersonal zeitgeist, there is no hiding from your unblinking and probing eye.

What refuge does one so predictable and easily-read as me have? Surely my fellow hemp-advocating Birkenstocks wearers on campus will help me hide my predictable state.

Please, rub it in no further, the pain... oh dear God... the pain.
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[quote]Originally posted by skaione:
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Yeah! you know we shouldn't burden the Saudis for their oil. They should just sell it to the Arab nomads instead while we "Mandate" a step back to antiquity and use candles and beef blubber for light Do you think we can power our macs with manure?.

I mean while were at it we might as well "mandate" no racism. And what the hell mandate no swearing. Why not mandate space travel, but it could backfire cause we might need oil.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Give me a freaking break. I simply asked for a mandate for the increase of fuel efficiency for new cars. The US gets between 30% and 40% of our oil from the middle east. Raising fuel efficiency and *gasp* conserving energy can help us gain or independence from the drug called oil that they peddle. Try responding intelligently next time and leave the sarcasm at home.
post #104 of 117
[quote] Give me a freaking break. I simply asked for a mandate for the increase of fuel efficiency for new cars.
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Don't you think we have enough mandates already?
How about you walk to the frickin store once in a while or take the bus or train. Isn't that conserving enough for you. Hey try reading a book or playing a board game instead of watching tv if you really care.
Instead a select few will impose their will on us further by stripping away yet some more freedoms in the name of the ever popular energy crisis.
The standards would be ineffective at best if even possible so don't kid yourself. You know the fuels of today contain more toxins and poisonous ingredients than they ever had.

For example If you've ever siphoned anything then you know you are bound to taste that liquid whatever it may be. If you would have siphoned some gasoline (with lead) in the 50's you would doubtless get a mouthfull of it when it was ready to make its tranfer. No big deal a bad taste. Spit it out and continue on with your gas transferring activity.
Now try that same trick with some of today's Federally mandated "cleaner" high-quality gasoline.
When you get out of the hospital drop me a post .I'd love to hear about all the adventures of safer gas thanks to federal mandates.

Hey do you have a new toilet by chance? Well if so it's federally mandated too. It can only hold 1.3 gallons of water at a time. The bad old toilets held 3 gallons of water. When you flushed, a whole bunch of extra water went to waste. We could have given that water to the Ethiopians. Oh but before I forget, the new toilets can't handle as much TP so you may have to flush 2-3 times to get all the poopy down (lest your bowl be clogged) 2 or 3+1.3= either 2.6 (saves about a quart) or 3.9 (expends almost a gallon more)

But hey the toilet industry is happy they got to sell all new toilets to the world. Have you seen the front loading washing machine at the local laundro mat well those are a whole nother story well have to discuss laterafter you retort.
Remeber kids Mandates=Gateways to less freedom.
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post #105 of 117
[quote] conserving energy can help us gain
or independence from the drug called oil
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah That's good!
ehIt could happen when the fuel business is no longer profitable.

[ 04-24-2002: Message edited by: skaione ]</p>
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post #106 of 117
[quote]Originally posted by skaione:
<strong>Don't waste your time with groveratrashumon. .........
Unfortunately in a free society we're free to say what we want and mindless fools are free to believe it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I would have thought that was a very fortunate thing in fact- his ability to say crap all day :cool: is what's so great about the free system we have in our countries . I have no problem with g'dold Groover saying whats on his mind ....
Lucky for all of us we don't live in a system like most Arabs (including Palestinians ) live in where the slightest deviation from the accepted line causes great trouble to people and might even get them<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1945000/1945098.stm" target="_blank"> killed</a>
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post #107 of 117
[quote] Keep calling it like you see it, unbiased observer, you seem to know me so well it's frightening.

I will be checking my sheets and walls for your electronic bugs, but alas, you have tapped my interpersonal zeitgeist, there is no hiding from your unblinking and probing eye.
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LOL <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Yer too funnyÂBut I hate to tell youÂI do have you pegged. No bugs necessaryÂÂ*It's as clear as a Phish song being broadcast from the campus station.

[quote]What refuge does one so predictable and easily-read as me have? Surely my fellow hemp-advocating Birkenstocks wearers on campus will help me hide my predictable state.
<hr></blockquote>

You could be a Straight Edge PETA supporter. I don't know for certain gimme one more sarcastic "Oh darn foiled again" retort and then I'll know for sure.
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This is a must read: The Isreali Lobby in the US. (US gives $3 Billion per year in aid. $90 Billion to date. Isreal recieves 30% of all military exports from US). Foreign influence, special interests, industrial or ethnic influence via lobbying and campaign financing via soft or direct money has sway in US politics and media (e.g. Auto industry, Cuban-Americans, Isreali Lobby, etc.) The below article was published in Prospect and written by US former Ass Director in State Dept by the New America Foundation in DC. See the link below. It is important for us, as americans, to know where our tax dollars go to and what money buys in terms of political influence, policies, etc in US.


<a href="http://www.newamerica.net/index.cfm?sec=publications&pg=article&pubID=779&Ar t1=go" target="_blank">http://www.newamerica.net/index.cfm?sec=publications&pg=article&pubID=779&Ar t1=go</a>


Until recently, america's middle east policy was a peripheral part of its global strategy, which focused on preventing the Soviet Union from intimidating US allies in western Europe and east Asia. Britain was the dominant western power in the middle east until the 1960s, and US influence was countered in much of the region by the Soviet Union until the end of the cold war. The indifference of much of the national security elite and the public to the region, in between crises, permitted US policy to be dominated by two US domestic lobbies, one ethnic and one economic-the Israel lobby and the oil industry (which occasionally clashed over issues like US weapons sales to Saudi Arabia).

Times have changed. The collapse of the Soviet empire created a power vacuum which has been filled by the US, first in the Persian Gulf following the Gulf war, and now in central Asia as a result of the Afghan war. Today the middle east is becoming the centre of US foreign policy-a fact illustrated in the most shocking way by the al Qaeda attacks on New York and Washington. A debate within the US over the goals and methods of American policy in the middle east is long overdue. Unfortunately, an uninhibited debate is not taking place, because of the disproportionate influence of the Israel lobby. Today the Israel lobby distorts US foreign policy in a number of ways. Israel's occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, enabled by US weapons and money, inflames anti-American attitudes in Arab and Muslim countries. The expansion of Israeli settlements on Palestinian land makes a mockery of the US commitment to self-determination for Kosovo, East Timor and Tibet. The US strategy of dual containment of Iraq and Iran, pleases Israel-which is most threatened by them-but violates the logic of realpolitik and alienates most of America's other allies. Beyond the region, US policy on nuclear weapons proliferation is undermined by the double standard that has led it to ignore Israel's nuclear programme while condemning those of India and Pakistan.
..............it continues
post #109 of 117
It's really funny that you actually believe any of the tripe you posted at me has any sort of insight.

I'm in college, that much you've brilliantly deducted (something I make quite obvious generally), but other than that your application of the typical college bleeding heart stereotype is just an indication that you have probably never actually been on a college campus and are using some 3rd party for your deductions.

For every hippie on the West Mall crying about rabbits being used for experiments there are 40 students that walk by him not giving a shit.

You'll notice I haven't made blanket statements as to Rashumon's or anyone else's motives or how they are as a person, because I'm not stupid enough to think that I can

(Phish sucks worse than the Grateful Dead, (if that's possible), PETA is for freaks, **** the whales right in the blowhole, animal research is good because it means humans don't get hurt as much, blacks don't 'deserve' reparations, anything else?)
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post #110 of 117
would the world be a better place if someone simply nuked rashumon
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This thread would be better if rashumon hadn't thrown off the formatting.
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[quote]Originally posted by spooky:
<strong>would the world be a better place if someone simply nuked rashumon
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Why ? what have I done do deserve extermination ?
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[quote]Originally posted by rashumon:
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Why ? what have I done do deserve extermination ?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think nuking is way overboard, but the least they could do is nuke your HAHAHAHA post. It really messes up the format of the board. Can you break that into a few smaller laughs?
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[quote]Originally posted by NoahJ:
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I think nuking is way overboard, but the least they could do is nuke your HAHAHAHA post. It really messes up the format of the board. Can you break that into a few smaller laughs? </strong><hr></blockquote>

WTF ? you Idiots its not from me can you not read ?
its not my pathetic style to go hahahaha like an ape.. i just rumble on about the facts untill you're all too tired to argue...
and besides you morons it says something like sqione or some such name... yes I know you guys are half wits and illiterates but FFS READ the name before you nuke me .... please, you'll end up killing some innocent Palestinians along the way <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
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[quote] It's really funny that you actually believe any of the tripe you posted at me has any sort of insight.
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Nono I don't think that at all. In fact I've said nothing of any value to you. All I did was assult you with silly banter in hopes of getting a cheap thrill, from a tired issue, at the early hours of the morning.

[quote] your application of the typical college bleeding heart stereotype is just an indication that you have probably never actually been on a college campus and are using some 3rd party for your deductions.
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Well maybe it isI'll never tell

Look dude, No offenseI'm tired of the whole Israel Palestine thingfew messages on this thread offer anything useful. Most of them attempt to sound moderate so as not to offend anyone. So far we've established that war is bad, Both sides are wrong, they should both stop and the news media lies to us. Other than all that already obvious stuff I don't see what more there is to say.

I don't know where you intend to go in this world but I wish you luck at what you do, unless of course it's sick and twisted
thanks for playing, please drive thru
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[quote] i just rumble on about the facts untill you're all too tired to argue...
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<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />

oops on the formatting
(note the time then apply it to EST)
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Why no luck for my sick and twisted endeavors?

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