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Microsoft has brought its chat client, Windows Live Messenger, to the iPhone as a free App Store download, while Swype hopes to bring its predictive touchscreen typing technology to the iPhone and iPad.

Windows Live Messenger

Microsoft on Monday released Windows Live Messenger for iPhone, a 7.2MB free download available from the App Store. The software allows users to instant message friends on both Windows Live Messenger and Yahoo Messenger.

Users can also view and comment on friends' photos and status updates from Windows Live, Facebook and MySpace, and see what Messenger friends are sharing on Flickr, YouTube, and a number of other social and photo sharing sites.

Features of the application, according to Microsoft, include:

Chat: Instant Message with Windows Live Messenger and Y! Messenger contacts on the go. You can even receive IM notifications when your app is closed so you never miss a message.

Social: Windows Live Messenger gives users one place to view updates friends are sharing from social networks like Facebook, Flickr, MySpace and more.

Photos: Upload photos right from the iPhone. Create albums, add captions, and let friends and family comment on photos.

Hotmail: Access a hotmail account without leaving the app to read, reply to and compose e-mails. Get e-mail notifications within the application so you know when you have new messages.



Swype hopes to talk with Apple

Swype, a predictive typing technology for touchscreen smartphones, hopes it will be able to offer its technology for Apple's iOS devices, including the iPhone and iPad. Cliff Kushler, who also created the T9 software that became popular in the 1990s for typing on standard cell phones, was profiled this week by The New York Times.

"It does not have a deal with Apple, the king of touch-screen phones, but it is tinkering with software for the iPhone and the iPad and hopes to show it to Apple soon," the report said.

Whether Apple would allow technology such as Swype on the iPhone remains to be seen. Such an addition would need to be added as a part of the iOS mobile operating system, as currently third-party developers are not allowed to change system-wide features such as the touchscreen keyboard.

Swype allows users to glide their finger across a touchscreen keyboard, touching each letter without lifting a finger from the screen. Kushler says it is faster and more precise than the current typing methods, which require uses to touch each individual letter.

Swype demonstrated on a touchscreen handset. Photo credit: The New York Times.

The company boasts that its technology increases the speed of typing on a touchscreen by 20 to 30 percent for even the fastest users. Swype makes money by charging a licensing fee for every device sold.

The software shows a line drawn onscreen by the path a user's finger takes. The predictive software traces a word's "pattern," and calculates what word the user is spelling. Swype is currently used on seven smartphones in the U.S., including the HTC HD2 and Samsung Omnia II. The company plans to have its software available on more than 50 models worldwide by the end of 2010.
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Saw Swype on HTC this weekend. Apple either needs to buy into this or invent something better cause it really is stinking awesome. First time ever I looked at another phone & thought, "I wish my iPhone did that."
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Something tells me that Apple isn't interested in paying royalties on a new way to input text...
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Swype does seam like an interesting approach.

I doubt they would pay royalties. They would just buy the company or pay an undisclosed sum..
The company would have a choice. Take the XX million. Or we scrap it..
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Messenger must be US only so far, it's not in Australian store.
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i'd LOVE to have swype on my iPhone. Please get on this Apple
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Apple won't bite on Swype. When a company is publicly talking about talking with Apple, it is clear to conclude that Apple is not receptive of their product or ideas.

This will never be on iPhone. Forget it!
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i'd LOVE to have swype on my iPhone. Please get on this Apple

An app that does the same thing _is_ available for the iPhone and iPod touch: ShapeWriter. Pretty cool, too!
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... Swype allows users to glide their finger across a touchscreen keyboard, touching each letter without lifting a finger from the screen. Kushler says it is faster and more precise than the current typing methods, which require uses to touch each individual letter. ...

I smell hype, it can't really be both faster and more precise can it? In fact it appears to be less precise by definition. It's the fact that it allows you to be less precise that engenders the extra speed.

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... The company boasts that its technology increases the speed of typing on a touchscreen by 20 to 30 percent for even the fastest users. ...

I just flat out don't believe this claim.

I've seen this thing in action and it does look impressive, but it's really only for folks that have trouble with the regular keyboard. I type very, very fast on the iPhone keyboard. Almost as fast as regular typing. I just don't believe that having this swipy thing up would make it 30% faster. That's a ridiculous claim IMO.

I've seen people use these a lot and they can make a slow typer into a fast(er) swiper but no one is going to be writing any novels this way that's for sure.
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While I like the new Windows Live Messenger -- it's the first client I've used that doesn't sign me out of my desktop Messenger -- it doesn't support fast app switching on iOS 4.0 and it takes like 15 seconds to relaunch each time. Come on, Microsoft!
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Swype does seam like an interesting approach.

I doubt they would pay royalties. They would just buy the company or pay an undisclosed sum..
The company would have a choice. Take the XX million. Or we scrap it..

That is what I was thinking. They need to do a discounted flat rate for Apple to help promote their product through the device maker with the most mindshare, revenue and profit across the PMP, tablet and smartphone markets if they want to ensure their success.

Of course, if Swype (whose name I hate because it's so close to Skype even though otherwise it would be great) is confident their product doesn't need Apple to thrive and Apple and others won't figure out a way to create an altenative that bypasses their patents then go for it.

PS: Perhaps a little bit of a Monday morning conspiracy thoery here, but one reason to demo a technology to potential competition with deep pocketa is to have a legal avenue if they do decide to copy your product.
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It's an interesting approach, but there's no way it will be more precise. Go outside the dictionary it recognizes and you're sure to start encountering fuss. I guess it might help to alleviate some of this trouble by recognizing angles, but even then, there would be technical problems getting a letter on a path between two others. I doubt, too, that it would necessarily be faster for someone who has become comfortable with the iPhone's corrective typing and two fingers. I can't imagine how I could type faster mapping a single finger across the keyboard than I do using two fingers.

That said, what they wantintegration with Apple devices in exchange for a royaltywill not happen. If Apple likes the idea enough they'll either buy them or create their own interpretation independently (or maybe offer a lump-sum payment for their full rights to use and adjust as they see fit). Also, it is less accessible to the layman, so that alone would confine it to a preference, thus, in all likelihood, killing the concept on the iPhone.
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Bullocks! Double post.
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While I like the new Windows Live Messenger -- it's the first client I've used that doesn't sign me out of my desktop Messenger -- it doesn't support fast app switching on iOS 4.0 and it takes like 15 seconds to relaunch each time. Come on, Microsoft!

I was just checking that... its only about 5 seconds for me, but all the same, they should have at least made sure that part was in. Would have made early adopters more likely to keep it. If this doesn't get updated before things like IM+, then it won't do too well I think...
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I was hyped up about Swype and tried shapewriter. I could two finger type faster than the demo on shapewriter's website and I was slower using shapewriter too. I don't think it's going to be for everyone.
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Swype; there's already an app for that.

(maybe not anymore?)
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Swype allows users to glide their finger across a touchscreen keyboard, touching each letter without lifting a finger from the screen. Kushler says it is faster and more precise than the current typing methods, which require uses to touch each individual letter.


Doesn't that replace an existing core technology of iOS? Why would Apple allow something like that?

Apples typing method constitutes the finest UX in the business. Why would they allow their iDevices' typing to get screwed up by some third party? If Apple is consistent, they will reject this app.
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I like the swype idea, but it's too late for me. I already know how to touch-type, so even 2-thumb typing is really fast for me.

I wonder how swype deals with double letters, like "ee" and "tt". Those situations are handled extremely fast with conventional typing.

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Not all words are spelt with letters directly next to it. I see this as a bunch of BS.
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I wonder how swype deals with double letters, like "ee" and "tt". Those situations are handled extremely fast with conventional typing.

Interesting point, but off gentoo of my head I can't of any scenario that would be difficult to understand. If it can figure out the word from a line pattern then I think it can figure out words with multiple letters, too.

My biggest concern is with the vast array of small words that can be compiled in multiple ways. For long words I can easily see how Swype can be effective. For example, does "swyping" A-S-D result in Add, Ass, Ads. I'm sure their are much better examples but that was the first I saw.
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Apple won't bite on Swype. When a company is publicly talking about talking with Apple, it is clear to conclude that Apple is not receptive of their product or ideas.

This will never be on iPhone. Forget it!

That's a bullshit statement.
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While I like the new Windows Live Messenger -- it's the first client I've used that doesn't sign me out of my desktop Messenger -- it doesn't support fast app switching on iOS 4.0 and it takes like 15 seconds to relaunch each time. Come on, Microsoft!

Not surprising, given the state of OS X software made by Microsoft.
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I wonder how swype deals with double letters, like "ee" and "tt". Those situations are handled extremely fast with conventional typing.

It doesn't lol. In that case you'd have to lift your finger and put it back down on the same letter again like a regular keyboard. The other part is the accents for letters... this technology wouldn't be compatible with the current system of selecting accents.
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I just installed Swype beta on my Huawei Android in Europe. It's really is nice. Pretty fast and accurate. And can still use the Swype kybrd for regular typing. Swype now my default keyboard.

And NO, no LIFTING to do double letters, you make a swirly circle motion on letter, and voila, double letter!

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Not surprising, given the state of OS X software made by Microsoft.

Its my understanding that NO apps prior to the WWDC will support multitasking on the new OS, besides Apple apps. So all 225,000 apps will have to be updated to take advantage of multitasking.

I hope Apple has some good network pipes and lots of iTunes servers.....and I really hope they are NOT running on the mobileme servers.
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That's a bullshit statement.

I agree with his statement. If they have to say they are talking to Apple, that means they have tried and Apple is not biting. Apple does not take kindly to public discussions. It will never see the light of day on a iPhone.
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Bullocks!

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I'm skeptical, but interested to see how this works. I never managed to get the hang of the predictive texting on mobile phones back in the day (where you only had the number pad), but I was amazed by how quickly some people managed to type on them, and I suspect this might be similar.

Personally I'd like Apple to take a look at how the keyboard works for the iPad when it is in portrait mode. When in landscape, I think the keyboard is tremendous, and I can type on it pretty much as fast as I can a regular keyboard, but in portrait I find the keyboard too small for touchtyping, but too big for thumb typing. Not sure how this could be made better, but I wondered if actually making the keyboard smaller would help......
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Yes, I meant bollocks.
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Don't knock it till you tried it!!!

Unless and until Apple allows third-party developers to replace basic functionality on their devices, the typical reader here will be unable to try it.

So it is unlikely that it will ever appear as an app.

Apple considers its typing system to be SOTA. It is a major feature of their device.
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It will never see the light of day on a iPhone.

You may be right. You may be wrong.
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I'm skeptical, but interested to see how this works.

I personally doubt I'de use it, but it's be an nice option for have in keyboard settings.
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Saw Swype on HTC this weekend. Apple either needs to buy into this or invent something better cause it really is stinking awesome. First time ever I looked at another phone & thought, "I wish my iPhone did that."

I'm not so sure. I saw the demonstration as well and am not impressed. I use two thumbs and I trust the iPhone to correct my mistakes so I type pretty fast. WIth Swype you're only using one finger which I can't believe is faster.
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An app that does the same thing _is_ available for the iPhone and iPod touch: ShapeWriter. Pretty cool, too!


I have been using Shapewriter from 2008 long before Swype came out for Android. The only thing about was the roundabout way of copy paste.

I am saddened that those guys do not get the attention they deserve. Swype got the break from the Android with its keyboard issues.
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You may be right. You may be wrong.

Maybe right and wrong too, all rolled into one?

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... but it's be an nice option for have in keyboard settings.

And Apple will pay royalty for each device???? Just like the Windows deal with every PC manufacturer?

Also, Apple will allow another company to modify core scripts or whatever?

That must be a "more than magical", "awesome", or "awesomely spectacular" Apps to Steve Jobs to allow.

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Messenger must be US only so far, it's not in Australian store.

it's non-approved software since it's still in beta. You have to get it from their site and allow unsigned packages to be installed. The install process is rather easy. Also, your signature is straight bs. Show me an HTML5 or objective c app that works across all desktop browsers. Flash is the spearhead of new internet technologies and should be used as such. HTML5 is an "emerging" technology meaning it hasn't "emerged" yet. No browser out right now OR in beta supports the full DRAFT spec.
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I'm not so sure. I saw the demonstration as well and am not impressed. I use two thumbs and I trust the iPhone to correct my mistakes so I type pretty fast. WIth Swype you're only using one finger which I can't believe is faster.

that's backwards. iphone does THE worst job of correcting/autocorrecting of any software I've EVER used. I really don't see what the duck your point is. I'm sure it's a shifty one not worth keystrokes I'm taking to write this. If I were gone type this on the iphone it would come out like this. Hope this is as clear as most of the messages I've ever written on it. Thankfully they finally unducked the 4.0 release with squiggly underlines instead of autoreplacing unbroken text.
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An app that does the same thing _is_ available for the iPhone and iPod touch: ShapeWriter. Pretty cool, too!

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I have been using Shapewriter from 2008 long before Swype came out for Android. The only thing about was the roundabout way of copy paste.

I am saddened that those guys do not get the attention they deserve. Swype got the break from the Android with its keyboard issues.

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I was hyped up about Swype and tried shapewriter. I could two finger type faster than the demo on shapewriter's website and I was slower using shapewriter too. I don't think it's going to be for everyone.

I used ShapeWriter when it first came out for a few months: and loved it. However the notes don't sync with Mail.app so I stopped using it. It is absolutely superior to touch typing. I found that I got a lot faster with it the more I used it. My best case scenario is that this technology gets adopted throughout the entire OS.
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It doesn't lol. In that case you'd have to lift your finger and put it back down on the same letter again like a regular keyboard. The other part is the accents for letters... this technology wouldn't be compatible with the current system of selecting accents.

Yes it does, u draw a quick circle on the letter to double it.
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I was happy with ebuddy pro but ill try the official version for sure. The hotmail access is a nice bonus too. i hate how slow mboxmail is sometimes.
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