Originally Posted by dm3
And for all the blatant Apple fanboyism. What about listing Android's significant advantages over iPhone?
Folders: Been there since day one. And done better than iPhone. Without the silly limitation of 8 or so apps per folder.
If you are going to bring the "accuracy" card to the game - you'd better be able to play it right - it's up to 12 per folder not 8. And for the record you were the one who called for the feature pissing contest. Don't get all whiney when you are flogged with the same crap you are throwing down here. I'm running by your rules here sunshine.
Multitasking: True its not as controlled, but its more flexible and can and is used to enable many things that simply cannot be done on the iPhone.
No supporting example. In fact just, oh what was the phrase.... ummmm..."fanboyish" , yep that fits.
Go back to where you left off after an ad. Big deal. Android has always worked this way with its innovative 'activity' approach. For the most part each screen is an activity. You can quickly move between apps and press the back button to get back to where you were. No new special case like with iOS4.
Let's see, iAd reference I guess. And the Android ad system is much more superior how again? Just that whole "activity approach" thingy. Wow I'm actually whelmed here. And yet you laden your argument with subtle qualifiers, like "for the most part". Don't you know how it works? So you still get dumped out to a separate ad webpage and have to jump back for your gamus interuptus. Yeah soooo much better. Sorry that was just plain snarky on my part. But not a conclusive win.
Some Android advantages:
- Browser: When I first tried Android, I thought the browser was worse than iPhone. But now that I've used it more, I realize its the opposite. Android somehow can reformat pages so that the text is displayed in large letters on the screen in a single column. On the iPhone you have to switch to landscape and pray thats big enough. Nothing else you can try. On Android it almost always works to make the text as big as you want without having to scroll horizontally. Its a HUGE improvement. Not little, HUGE.
So I see this as really subjective on your part. Especially when you lead off with the equivalent of "it really sucked at first, but once the pain subsided it was tolerable. In fact now I kinda like it. No really, I love it!" Large letter is a single column would frustrate the living daylights out of me (see - subjective analysis by me), for me that would be a negative so it's a wash here. I LIKE how Safari browses the web, like how it allows ME to decide what to view and how. Freedom AND responsibility baby - it's groovy man!
- Calendar over the are sync with Google. Seriously Apple. Get with the times. To sync your iPhone calendar you have to get your Mac calendar up to date, then physically attach a 'cable!' to your iPhone, start up iTunes and wait for a long drawn out sync to occur. Get with the times. This is such an ancient concept. Talk about iPod 2005...
So here's the deal. I've had MobileMe for a long time now and this point is only a functional problem IF you don't have MobileMe - which many probably don't. But this brings up a whole other issue I have with Google having unfettered access to my calendar, email and other stuff. After all the ruptures, breaches, hacks and "oops - did we collect that data while we were out there?? We didn't MEAN too - really" they have lost my fundamental trust in their motivation and their ability to protect my data. They are, after all an AD company that provides all kinds of cool and neat things to consumers. Kind of like the candy house in the story of Hansel and Gretel. But we also sign off on them using our data - read the fine print.
- Voice recognition: As part of the keyboard, anywhere you can type in text you can have Android recognize your voice. It works amazingly well. Almost eerie. I think it ties in with Google search and your location to best guess what you meant.
Well, here we are again on my point about Google intentions and their security issues. But yes, I will grant you voice recognition is cool, but the 3GS has it built in in a more limited way - so not a clear advantage, depending on your needs.
- Turn by turn navigation: Not an add on. Not a huge one time fee nor monthly fee. Free. Included. Awesome. Works. Just works great.
I'm feeling kinda bad for you right now about all the above so, aside from being able to navigate without turn-by-turn navigation, being able to read a map and generally knowing my urban landscapes well, I'll give you Google's free turn by turn tracking of your move... I mean navigation. Yes it is very cool as a free function.
- Widgets: Apples home screen hasn't changed at all. Android allows active widgets which display useful information like weather or stock quotes etc. on the home screen without having to manually fire up a bunch of apps.
I get the whole widgets thing, but it isn't a big selling point - I like my screen simple and relatively uncluttered. So as I am STILL feeling bad for you - I'll give you this one as well - YES, Widgets are a cool feature.
- Flash: I hate flash. But I must admit, it is really nice when I'm able to view at least part of a flash page on my HTC Incredible. On my iPhone I'm presented with nothing. No ability at all. Flash support can come in really handle.
OK - let me restate this in your own words: "Flash: I hate Flash, ...I'm able to view ...part of a Flash page." For me Flash sucks majorly. I run Click to Flash on my Mac and wish I could install it on my work PCs as well. With the piss-poor usage of Flash on the internet to serve annoying ads at me. No. Not even. Don't even go there. The very rare few places where Flash has provided cool content doesn't make up for the volumes of dreck that spews forth from poorly configured ads. This more than anything else demonstrates the sheer desperation of Google in trying to drive their ad revenue by supporting Flash in Android. Ack.Ptoooie. Moving on.
- Lots of smaller features which can be debated. Including the ability to refer to files. Makes sharing data between applications easy without having to invent complex new systems and unusual usability.
Sorry I'm calling foul on this statement. Lots of smaller features. Total fanboy cop-out. TOTAL. Referencing files on my smartphone - is so 20th century. It was Google's lazy-ass way of not having to come up with a better system of file management. The UI is not conducive to deep manipulation of file and directory structures, it's another layer of complexity unneeded for the average user and a total geek nectar thing.
- Believe it or not, Android manages apps for you to allow quick switching between apps without having to worry about whats running or not. Unlike the new iOS4 where the user has to manually worry about closing apps that are running. To be fair, this confuses many Android users and many insist on using task killers, but these are unnecessary by design and slow down the system.
And so does iOS - even in 3.1.3. Just not all apps. The user doesn't have to worry about manually closing apps that are running - but can if they choose - just like in Android. And yet in the Android forums time and again problems with managing apps running in the background pile in and are discussed ad nauseam. What's even sillier is the whole "you don't need to manage your apps/ yes-yes, you need the app killer installed" disagreement among the contributors. Even "superusers" in the fora can't agree as to whether or not Android can manage things correctly!
So the operating system has tons of advantages even over iOS4.
Then the hardware is better. EVO is 4G. Higher resolution forward and back cameras. HDMI output. 4.3" HUGE screen while the phone is not much bigger that the iPhone.
Apple now has some serious competition. Time for them to get movin.
I have addressed every point you made, even gave you a couple, so this whole, "So the operating system has tons of advantages even over iOS4" statement is crap. Seriously crap. Not tons not even pounds. Ounces here and there - maybe.
And that 4G thing. Wow! On the 4th largest network in 13 markets nationwide! Oh, wait did you see all the reports about what that 4G access does to your battery life? No? OK.
NOT higher resolution cameras - let's be accurate here - higher megapixel cams - yes. Resolution is not solely determined by Mp, in fact it's only one of several parts of the determination. So no on that as well.
HDMI output? Again, like the whole FM radio thing, where's the actual (versus perceived) value in this. I can put an HDMI output system in my car, but what the heck good is that for my everyday use of it? But hey - let me give you that one too. You have HDMI output on the EVO.
Now let's have you address the security and privacy issues that are endemic to partnering yourself with Google. You have been assimilated. Your data is NOT your own, you have agreed, with every app you use, to share your personal data with Google. What will you do when all that data gets hacked, or used in a way that is not in your own best interest? What feature will you claim then?
I'm happy you are happy with your EVO. You should continue to be happy with it, enjoy it, use it. But don't sully your experience with tossing off a bunch of nonsense in the fora about it being clearly and monumentally superior it every way imaginable to an iPhone.
Because it's not.