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She should win the case. Normally I wouldn't side with the perpetrator of a crime but the Albertson Employees went above and beyond what is called for in these circumstances. It's just sad that a 9 yr old child is now gone over a few sacks of groceries.


[quote] How far can supermarket employees go when trying to apprehend a shoplifting suspect? What if the employees have already recovered the stolen items?
Those are the key questions in a North Bend woman's civil lawsuit, which says two teenage employees at the Woodinville Albertson's chased her too aggressively out of the parking lot after she allegedly stole groceries, causing her to become agitated, drive over the speed limit and crash into a tree.

The woman's 9-year-old daughter died in the accident.

Anita Durrett, 42, has already been convicted of vehicular manslaughter as a result of the crash. She faces sentencing — up to two years in prison — on May 14.

Durrett filed the suit in Snohomish County Superior Court earlier this month, contending that three store employees were at least partly to blame for the accident last June. The lawsuit seeks an unspecified amount of damages.

"She shouldn't have put herself in that position, to start the chain of events," said Durrett's attorney, Jim Rosenberger.

"But (the employees) had her license-plate number, her description. They could have called 911, and the cops would have showed up at her house. They decided to instigate something. This is a two-part deal. We're bewildered as to why they didn't call the police right away."

Jeannette Duwe, Albertson's spokeswoman, said the company won't comment in detail on pending litigation. Albertson's has until the end of the month to respond to the suit.

"But we believe that our employees did act reasonably," she said.

State law says that store employees have a right to use a "reasonable" amount of force to apprehend and detain suspected shoplifters while on the business premises. But it offers no specifics on what constitutes reasonable.

According to police, on June 9, Durrett left the store without paying for $266.16 worth of groceries. She was confronted in the parking lot by two teenage employees and an assistant manager, who demanded a receipt.

She didn't have one and fled the parking lot in her station wagon, leaving the groceries behind.

The manager ordered the two employees, who had a cellphone, to follow Durrett in one of their cars. They caught up with Durrett about a mile away while she was stopped at a red light.

According to the lawsuit, one of the employees got out of the car at that point and "confronted her at the stoplight, and accosted her verbally and physically." Rosenberger said the employee placed his foot on her bumper.

"Anita in her fear of their intentions drove away from the point of confrontation," the lawsuit says.

The employees began chasing her again and "realizing she was being hotly pursued, she increased her speed over the posted speed limit."

Police estimate that both cars were traveling in excess of 90 mph. The crash happened just north of the King-Snohomish county line.

Rosenberger believes the employees knew that the 9-year-old child was in the front seat. Because of that, their actions were reckless, he said. They should also have used the cellphone to call for help during the chase, Rosenberger said.

They didn't call police until Durrett crashed, about 2½ miles from the store, Rosenberger said.

Representatives of shopping centers and security companies that patrol supermarkets said they caution employees about confronting shoplifters because of the potential danger and because of the possibility of civil liability.

In one case, in December 1993, Federal Way resident Antonio Jackson stole a pack of cigarettes from a Safeway supermarket and was chased down by several store employees. One of the store employees put Jackson in a choke hold. Jackson died soon afterward.

Jackson's family later sued and won an out-of-court settlement.
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It's just sad that a 9 yr old child is now gone over a few sacks of groceries.

This is true. But it's not like the employees got in their cars and chased her. She is 100% culpable. She's just trying to offload some of the incredible guilt so she doesn't feel so bad. If a guy cheats on his wife and she is so devistated that she kills her child, is the husband responsible?
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[quote]Originally posted by Outsider:
<strong>It's just sad that a 9 yr old child is now gone over a few sacks of groceries.

This is true. But it's not like the employees got in their cars and chased her.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Isn´t that excatly what happened?
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[quote]Originally posted by hmurchison:
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She should win the case.
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I don't agree. She drove the car. She stole the groceries. She sped away from the scene. These were choices she made. Whatever harrassment she was enduring at the hands of Albertsons employees, she could have simply sat in the car and waited for the police to come.

I have a questions- was the child buckled up?
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This is a tragic event. However, I see this woman suing Albertson's as money grubbing.

Yes, she did lose her child. No, the employees shouldn't have been chasing her. Yet, I don't see what suing Albertson's has to do with anything? For what? Damages to the car? Pain and suffering for the loss of a child? Reckless endangerment?

I guess the article states that they are suing for "reckless endangerment". If that is the case, then you could sue the police everytime a criminal who is being chased crashes into an innocent victim or the property. Sure, you're talking police vs. employees of a victimized store. Still, the principle is the same. If a lawbreaker can sue their pursuer (I've pursued a lawbreaker before for busting out a window) than who will ever want to pursue a lawbreaker.

Those employees should have called the police immediately. We did when we were chasing the car thief. I'd hate to think that if the guy saw me chasing him he could've simply swerved into a tree, broken his legs and sued me or my family for millions of dollars. <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" /> :confused: <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />

We live in a suit-happy society and Albertson's can't bring the kid back. I say place the blame where it belongs. I'm sure the mother feels guilty enough, but you can't just put the blame off on someone else like that. It's not right.
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Isn´t that excatly what happened?

This is true also. I must have missed that as I skimmed the article. In this case the kids should get a ticket for speeding.
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[quote]Originally posted by tmp:
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I don't agree. She drove the car. She stole the groceries. She sped away from the scene. These were choices she made. Whatever harrassment she was enduring at the hands of Albertsons employees, she could have simply sat in the car and waited for the police to come.

I have a questions- was the child buckled up?</strong><hr></blockquote>

The problem here is not the crime but the fact that the Manager ordered the Employees to retrieve the Woman(even though she no longer had the groceries). Therefore he delegated power that Legally these gentleman don't possess. They are culpable for the death because they broke the Law(speeding) in their attempts to detain the Woman. I'm afraid Albersons is going to pay heavily for this. The case at the bottom about the Man that was killed over a pack of cigarettes has set a precedent that will be "pounded" into a local Jury's collective heads. Only a Bufoon of a Lawyer would lose this case...plaintiff greed or not.
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Yeah, Albertson's loses this one. The Assistant Manager telling them to pursue her was a HUGE mistake. That guy is, rightfully, going to lose his job and this chick will get money.

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Rosenberger believes the employees knew that the 9-year-old child was in the front seat. Because of that, their actions were reckless, he said. They should also have used the cellphone to call for help during the chase, Rosenberger said.

Let's see, they physically accosted her (which they have no right to do), chased her at high speeds (with her running in fear of them after they have already physically accosted her) at the orders of Albertson's management.

Yeah, big time ****ed.

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Those bag boys are responsible for that kid's death. They're not cops for f*ck sake.

They obviously have been watching too much "America's Deadliest High Speed Chases" shows.

They hadn't even called the cops. What were they going to do, drag this woman out of the car and beat the shit out of her?!

I hope she milks them for millions.
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Groverat we are in full agreement here. I initially thought "Oh she loses this big" until I read about 90mph chases and the actions of the Alberstons employees. The fact that she was stealing food is going to be played out in court as a Mother doing what she must to put food on the table(right or wrong). Those employees could have killed another citizen. Stores in WA only have a small juridiction for their premises. No One is allowed to engange in any efforts like this. All in all I feel for that little girl who paid for her Mothers horrible decision with her life.
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[quote]Originally posted by hmurchison:
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Only a Bufoon of a Lawyer would lose this case...plaintiff greed or not.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I wans't assailing the legal merit, here. Clearly, the employees went far beyond their authority. And I am sure that the store will lose and have to pay. But the woman is still responsible for the death of that child. She was not run off the road. She could have calmly driven to the nearest police station if she felt endangered by the Albertson's employees. She chose not to- she chose to speed off at 90 mph with her child in the car. She is entirely responsible for that childs death. Will she win? Probably. Should she profit from this? No.

I wish there was a way to have any judgement awarded (lawyers fees included) to a food bank. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />

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How exactly do you drive calmly away from people who are chasing you and have physically attacked you?

How was she to know that they wouldn't just run her off the road or trap her somewhere? They had physically assaulted her and were chasing her knowing she had a kid in the car.

Sorry, tmp, Albertson's is 100% culpable here. If someone slapped you around at a stoplight you would just drive calmly to the nearest police station (assuming that you know where one was)?

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[quote]She could have calmly driven to the nearest police station if she felt endangered by the Albertson's employees.<hr></blockquote>

Ah, some things are just sooo easy when you're sitting at a computer...
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Excuse me, where do you see slapping here? Putting a foot on a bumper is not slapping. She had a car that could have been put in park with the windows up and waited for the police or driven to the nearest station- or just have waited in the parking lot when they stopped her. These were gorcery store clerk, for gods sake, not carjhackers or hitmen.
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[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>How exactly do you drive calmly away from people who are chasing you and have physically attacked you?

How was she to know that they wouldn't just run her off the road or trap her somewhere? They had physically assaulted her and were chasing her knowing she had a kid in the car.

Sorry, tmp, Albertson's is 100% culpable here. If someone slapped you around at a stoplight you would just drive calmly to the nearest police station (assuming that you know where one was)?

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she should have pulled over, or not run at all. ive been in high speed car chases before, and only been caught once. 90 mph is not really all that much--it wasnt so much that it was so fast, but more that she was freaked out and was driving stupid.

plain and simple, it was her own damn fault. if i run from a cop and kill myself or someone else, i am the only one to blame...
yes, they are hardly cops, but she is still running...and she is still the one w/ the throttle up to 90 mph. she instigated the whole situation. i dont give a sh*t if someone was chasing her and she was "afraid." shes supposed to be afraid!!!!!!!!! she just broke the damn law!!!!!!!!!! therefore, her crash was brought upon only by her own actions. the response of others shouldnt matter. she started the problem, and she drove the car into a tree. noone else did. just her.

if she hadnt stolen the groceries AND run away, her child would still be alive...
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[quote]Excuse me, where do you see slapping here?<hr></blockquote>

In the article:
"...and accosted her verbally and physically."

[quote]She had a car that could have been put in park with the windows up and waited for the police or driven to the nearest station- or just have waited in the parking lot when they stopped her.<hr></blockquote>

What police would she be waiting for, they didn't call the police until *after* she had already run into the tree.

And again, how the hell does her option to drive to a police station at all exonerate Albertson's of its culpability?

Maybe she didn't even know where a police station was or maybe she was trying to get to one, you don't know and it doesn't even make a difference.

[quote]These were gorcery store clerk, for gods sake, not carjhackers or hitmen.<hr></blockquote>

They were a threat to her safety, they physically attacked her and chased her at dangerous speeds.
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[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
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They were a threat to her safety, they physically attacked her and chased her at dangerous speeds.</strong><hr></blockquote>

no. she RAN at dangerous speeds. just because they pursued her didnt mean that she had to keep accelerating. she was gonna be caught regardless. running wouldnt have solved anything in this case. again, its her own damn fault fer pushing on the accelerator after she decided to run away.
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[quote]yes, they are hardly cops, but she is still running...and she is still the one w/ the throttle up to 90 mph.<hr></blockquote>

1) they are not cops
2) she had a legitimate fear for her safety

She drove 90 to get away from others going 90 that were chasing her and had previously physically assaulted her. Sorry, the chasers lose this one.

[quote]she instigated the whole situation.<hr></blockquote>

She didn't instigate being chased and assaulted by ****ing acne-scarred grocery store clerks.

[quote]i dont give a sh*t if someone was chasing her and she was "afraid." shes supposed to be afraid!!!!!!!!! she just broke the damn law!!!!!!!!!! therefore, her crash was brought upon only by her own actions.<hr></blockquote>

So when you break the law it's fair game on you?

When you shoplift you deserve what you get, eh? If the stockers want to take a rusty pipe to you out back that's the game, right?

Gig 'em! Hyuck!

[quote]noone else did. just her.<hr></blockquote>

If I shoot you in the face, isn't it really your fault that you stopped breathing since I didn't constrict your lungs directly?

[quote]if she hadnt stolen the groceries AND run away, her child would still be alive...<hr></blockquote>

And if Albertson's employees hadn't taken illegal actions against her her child would still be alive... and that's the entire point.
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Her crime notwithstanding you only have so much jurisdiction to prevent theft of your products. The Alb employees went WAY too far and broke the law themselves by not obeying the speed limit.

To the Albertson Manager who ordered this:

That loud sucking sound sound you hear is your career going down the drain.
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criminals dont have rights.
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From the Herald of Everett Wahington:

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By Scott North
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A North Bend woman pleaded guilty to vehicular homicide Monday for her role in a fatal June 9 car crash that took the life of her 9-year-old daughter in south Snohomish County.

Anita Marie Durrett, 42, was charged with the felony after she allegedly fled the scene of a shoplifting near Woodinville and crashed while driving nearly 80 mph along a winding, hilly two-lane road. Durrett's daughter, LaDawna, was in the car and died of head injuries.

During a brief hearing on Monday in Snohomish County Superior Court, Durrett entered a so-called Alford plea. In court papers, the woman said she believed herself innocent, but acknowledged she'd likely be convicted if the case went before a jury.

Judge Kenneth Cowsert agreed there was a "very strong likelihood" that Durrett would be found guilty as charged. He scheduled sentencing for May 14.

Durrett's attorney, Jim Rosenberger of Seattle, said his client will seek a sentence below the roughly two-year prison term mandated under state sentencing guidelines.

Durrett had earlier fled from an Albertson's supermarket in King County, where she allegedly was spotted wheeling a cart of groceries to her car without paying.

Store employees followed Durrett in their own car, at one point blocking her path at a stop sign, according to court papers.

The confrontation at the stop sign was more than a mile away from the store, and witnesses said the store employees kicked Durrett's car and were menacing her, Rosenberger said.

"There is much more to it than meets the eye," the attorney said, adding that he's seen no evidence his client was driving recklessly until after the confrontation at the stop sign.

In court papers, prosecutors said Durrett hit one of the workers as she tried to get away.
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Kicking her car is not slapping her. It is kicking her car. Maybe the milk of human kindness has turned to cottage cheese in my veins, but I still think that she is the one responsible.

Do I think that the store employees acted irresponsibly? Yes. Will Albertsons lose this case? Yes. But it still boils down to the fact that she drove the car.
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all in all, i think its awefully hypocritical for her to bitch about all this. yes, an innocent was killed in the process. everyone was guilty of something. BUT, she was guilty first and more. her actions were the primary instigation of the situation. therefore, she was overall at fault for her daughters death. for her to blame others is to make her a hypocrite. if she hadnt done any of the crimes to begin with, and brought her daughter along w/ her, then there would have been no violence involved...
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[quote]Originally posted by tmp:
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Kicking her car is not slapping her. It is kicking her car. Maybe the milk of human kindness has turned to cottage cheese in my veins, but I still think that she is the one responsible.

Do I think that the store employees acted irresponsibly? Yes. Will Albertsons lose this case? Yes. But it still boils down to the fact that she drove the car.</strong><hr></blockquote>

agreed in full.
i seriously doubt they even touched her. i believe that she is just trying to get people to feel sorry fer her and bullsh*t her way out of this. c'mon people, dont be so damn gullible...
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This is really a no-brainer. Even if the manager hadn't ordered the clerks to chase her down, the clerks would be responsible. Once they decided to be vigilantes, they became responsible. It wouldn't even matter if she still had the groceries. Her breaking the law doesn't exempt the clerks from their breaking the law.

Here's an example: A while back, I was backing out a parking spot in front of my dorm. When I was going out to my car, there was no one parked behind me in the fire lane and I assumed that no one had pulled in in the 3 seconds between the time I crossed it to the time I started backing out. I was wrong and I hit the car. Now, I thought that since she parked ILLEGALLY in the fire lane that I wasn't at fault. I was. That's the way it works. I can't break the law just because you are. And thank goodness for that.
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[quote]Originally posted by torifile:
<strong>This is really a no-brainer. Even if the manager hadn't ordered the clerks to chase her down, the clerks would be responsible. Once they decided to be vigilantes, they became responsible. It wouldn't even matter if she still had the groceries. Her breaking the law doesn't exempt the clerks from their breaking the law.

Here's an example: A while back, I was backing out a parking spot in front of my dorm. When I was going out to my car, there was no one parked behind me in the fire lane and I assumed that no one had pulled in in the 3 seconds between the time I crossed it to the time I started backing out. I was wrong and I hit the car. Now, I thought that since she parked ILLEGALLY in the fire lane that I wasn't at fault. I was. That's the way it works. I can't break the law just because you are. And thank goodness for that.</strong><hr></blockquote>


theres no argument that they also broke the law. however, she is more to blame fer the gurls death than they are. yes, they shouldnt have chased her, but she shouldnt blame them fer her own actions.
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I had a friend in BC that worked at a grocery store. They loved doing this shit, it was like drugs to them - getting the chance to take down a shoplifter.

I don't doubt for a second these 2 punks scared the hell out of this lady.

"GET OUT OF THE CAR NOW YOU STUPID BITCH!!!!'

THUD! THUD! THUD! go his boots into the car.

Yeah, she should have calmly driven, at the speed limit, to the nearest police station.

Give me a break.
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[quote]criminals dont have rights.<hr></blockquote>

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Didn't have time between Sheep****in' 101 and Minority Bashin' 322 to slip in Basic Principles of Law?

"She's more to blame, judge! She's wronger than I wuz! It's what they taught me down at the skoolhowse!"

Torifile:

It really is a no-brainer, perfect for Alliance.
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God forbid she should be held accountable for her actions.

I still want to know if her daughter was belted in.

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[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
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Didn't have time between Sheep****in' 101 and Minority Bashin' 322 to slip in Basic Principles of Law?

"She's more to blame, judge! She's wronger than I wuz! It's what they taught me down at the skoolhowse!"

Torifile:

It really is a no-brainer, perfect for Alliance. </strong><hr></blockquote>


u didnt even read my last post, did u...?



being a judgemental bigot doesnt help yer case ever grover, even though u seem to think that baseless insults belong here fer some reason...
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How is she not going to be held responsible for her actions, tmp, look at your own freakin' article. What more do you want, her to pay money to Albertson's?

She's going to be convicted of killing her own daughter, what more do you want?

Why shouldn't the other lawbreaks have to pay for their actions as well, because she did something wrong? If she breaks the law first then it's a license for others to do the same?

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Alliance, my attack wasn't baseless at all. You obviously know nothing if you think that criminals have no rights and are quite deserving of the scorn you receive as a result.
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[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
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Alliance, my attack wasn't baseless at all. You obviously know nothing if you think that criminals have no rights and are quite deserving of the scorn you receive as a result.</strong><hr></blockquote>

actually, i said that line to see what kind of response it would get, hence it being in its own post.

however, it wasnt that big of a deal if u think about it. convicted felons DONT have rights, hence their not being to vote, etc. this woman hasnt been convicted yet, but she will be and thus she should be treated as a criminal.


oh, and i fergot how much u love to argue just fer the sake of arguing...
but dude, throwing out stupid insults really never works in getting yer point across. maybe u should try a more diplomatic approach, cause the way u act just makes u seem like a 5 year old child throwing a tantrum...
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[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
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Why shouldn't the other lawbreaks have to pay for their actions as well, because she did something wrong? If she breaks the law first then it's a license for others to do the same?

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they should be given a fine and ticket. but they should NOT be to blame for killing her child. that load should be placed solely on that stupid womans shoulders.
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post #34 of 87
[quote]convicted felons DONT have rights, hence their not being to vote, etc.<hr></blockquote>

Convicted felons don't have rights? Very very interesting... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />

Your grasp of the complexities of our legal system is astounding.

They can't vote, own a weapon and maybe a few legal limitations placed on them as a result of their specific crimes, but for the most part felons have as many rights as you and I do.

Washington D.C. has a convicted felon for a mayor.

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If you chase someone in a car after physically accosting them and they end up crashing into a tree and dying... guess what the law says. (Hint: it's more than a speeding ticket)

Stick to car racing and microbiology discussions, you really aren't very versatile.
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post #35 of 87
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>How is she not going to be held responsible for her actions, tmp, look at your own freakin' article. What more do you want, her to pay money to Albertson's?

She's going to be convicted of killing her own daughter, what more do you want?

Why shouldn't the other lawbreaks have to pay for their actions as well, because she did something wrong? If she breaks the law first then it's a license for others to do the same?

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Exsqueeze me- she is going to try for less that the two years (!) that she would be normally be given in this case. What do you want? Her to get a few million and probation?

I give up- she was a wonderful mother who just made a mistake. Those evil bag boys, who we all know are just clearasil-sniffing vigilantes spoiling for a fight should be tried and convicted of manslaughter and speeding and assault on a bumper- give 'em the chair! The store manager should be drawn and quartered by four strong horses, fired, and then his quarters should be drawn and quartered by four strong ponies. And Albertson's should pay this woman and her lawyer billions and give her free groceries for life. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
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[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
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Convicted felons don't have rights? Very very interesting... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />

Your grasp of the complexities of our legal system is astounding.

They can't vote, own a weapon and maybe a few legal limitations placed on them as a result of their specific crimes, but for the most part felons have as many rights as you and I do.

Washington D.C. has a convicted felon for a mayor.

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If you chase someone in a car after physically accosting them and they end up crashing into a tree and dying... guess what the law says. (Hint: it's more than a speeding ticket)

Stick to car racing and microbiology discussions, you really aren't very versatile.</strong><hr></blockquote>


i meant currently convicted felons, not felons that have already served their sentence u dumbass...

btw, why do u keep saying they physically accosted them??? they have no evidence fer that other than her word. damn yer a gullible fool...
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post #37 of 87
Now, now, children, calm down. You're all still pretty.

Here's how I see it:

1) She is already being convicted for vehicular homicide, because she DID end up killing her daughter by her actions.
2) The manager was very wrong in telling the clerks to chase her. In the state of Missouri, you CANNOT pursue someone off company property in a vehicle, period. I'd imagine most other states are like that.
3) The baggers were wrong to chase her at the speeds they did. This doesn't mean, however, that they're legally responsible for her wreckless driving. It doesn't matter how intimidating they were, she still made the choice to drive at such speeds.

So...

She's being rightfully convicted. Albertsons should fire the manager faster than he can say "groceries," and law enforcement should fine the hell out of the grocery store. The baggers should be charged with whatever speeding, assault, or property damage charges they committed, but...

She shouldn't win.

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[quote]Originally posted by tmp:
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Exsqueeze me- she is going to try for less that the two years (!) that she would be normally be given in this case. What do you want? Her to get a few million and probation?

I give up- she was a wonderful mother who just made a mistake. Those evil bag boys, who we all know are just clearasil-sniffing vigilantes spoiling for a fight should be tried and convicted of manslaughter and speeding and assault on a bumper- give 'em the chair! The store manager should be drawn and quartered by four strong horses, fired, and then his quarters should be drawn and quartered by four strong ponies. And Albertson's should pay this woman and her lawyer billions and give her free groceries for life. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

shes just a victim of the system!!!!!!! someone start up a charity for this poor woman...


and while we're at it, start donations for grover too. he's the type who will believe anything just cause someone said so. damn...i cant wait til yer gullibility leads u to a good ol fashioned scam...
open yer eyes dude. things arent always as u assume...
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post #39 of 87
[quote]Originally posted by CosmoNut:
<strong>Now, now, children, calm down. You're all still pretty.

Here's how I see it:

1) She is already being convicted for vehicular homicide, because she DID end up killing her daughter by her actions.
2) The manager was very wrong in telling the clerks to chase her. In the state of Missouri, you CANNOT pursue someone off company property in a vehicle, period. I'd imagine most other states are like that.
3) The baggers were wrong to chase her at the speeds they did. This doesn't mean, however, that they're legally responsible for her wreckless driving. It doesn't matter how intimidating they were, she still made the choice to drive at such speeds.

So...

She's being rightfully convicted. Albertsons should fire the manager faster than he can say "groceries," and law enforcement should fine the hell out of the grocery store. The baggers should be charged with whatever speeding, assault, or property damage charges they committed, but...

She shouldn't win.

[ 04-16-2002: Message edited by: CosmoNut ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

agreed on every point.
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post #40 of 87
[quote]Originally posted by CosmoNut:
<strong>Now, now, children, calm down. You're all still pretty.<hr></blockquote>
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> You smooth talker, you

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She's being rightfully convicted. Albertsons should fire the manager faster than he can say "groceries," and law enforcement should fine the hell out of the grocery store. The baggers should be charged with whatever speeding, assault, or property damage charges they committed, but...

She shouldn't win.

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I wonder why the baggers weren't charged?
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